Matt Davies for February 11, 2011

For once a president sided with the people instead of Corporate America stooges like Batista, the Shah and Saddam.

^^”Egypt hasn’t been attacked. The best offense is a good defense. Peace through strength. Libs never understand that.” What poppycock. Talk about walking about with blinders on.

Who was Egypt defending itself from? Its people. Or was the US arming Egypt in order to keep them safe from Israel? :p No, its own people. The best way for oppression is from a position of strength. :-| Western Realpolitik trumped the Egyptians.

”Countries buy arms for one of two reasons: 1) To attack others or 2) to ensure they themselves aren’t attacked.” You forgot to add a 3rd: To avoid being knocked over by its oppressed population.

churchillwasright asked, 1 minute ago ”But can you give me an example where a dictator has bombed their own cities”

Guernica, for a start.

How about Saddam’s gassing of the Kurds?

^Never heard of Franco? Ignorance is both bliss and basis for current “conservative thought”? Try Somoza, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, and quite a few others; the trick is also in defining “bomb”. If you want betrayal of their own, start with “Bible heros” like well, offering your daughters to literally “save your ass”.

Church; but Franco allowed his german allies to bomb Guernica, which makes him an accomplice.

Bombed directly? No. It’s too obvious.

Abused? Tons of cases (the Reichtag fire, the Alexandria “anti-christian” attacks (orchestrated by the government), torture…). And there are other ways to abuse a population beside bombs. Don’t act like you are too stupid to understand it

Church: Tch, tch, tch.

^ FCM: Franco didn’t allow, he requested it. He was already Spain’s generalisimo of the national army and head of state by Oct ‘36. The infamous (but not quite so famous as to warrant Church knowing about it) Guerinica bombing occured 6 months later. Madrid, Valencia & Barcelona were also bombed.

Btw, I have both been in Guernica and seen Picasso’s painting in Madrid.

^ Dude, you asked “But can you give me an example where a dictator has bombed their own cities” I did. What else is a fella to do?

You also suppose the entire military apparatus Egypt had was to defend itself against other nations.

Sheesh, indeed.

But hey, you chose a moniker that is because of a quote proven to be falsely attributed to Churchill but you yourself don’t care the accuracy as you admitted a few days ago, you just like the narrative. Yeah, kinda suits you, sir.

So Saddam’s gas-bombing of the Kurds has now been removed from conservative rewritten history?

Church, I’m not in favor of our unprovoked attack on Iraq, no matter how reprehensible Saddam Hussein was.

You asked for “an example where a dictator has bombed their own cities”, and I gave you one.

I’m still waiting to see what you do with it. I hope you’re not trying to rationalize it.

Heh…I can’t resist…I’m starting you.

Tell us how the war will pay for itself.

Defense industry jobs?

It was allowed to happen by the men with the guns.

“Force for good” = Realpolitik. Can never remember which side of the equation which is what.

shrugs