I will note two things about the “Green New Deal”. The first is that it is a wonderful attempt to establish a series of discussions on things of vital concern to all Americans.
The second point is that most conservatives have neither read nor understood what the G.N.D. is about. Of course, I understand that acknowledgement of its “source” is enough cause to condemn it, but, seriously, republicans, saving the planet is a horrible idea simply because a democrat advances it?
It is a “starting point” for discussion – not a declaration of “martial law”! Sheesh!
Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day: John Duncan, Jr.
He tended to identify with the Libertarian wing of the GOP, and we didn’t notice at first, that in 2013, Rep. Duncan floated the idea that Ron Paul kept regurgitating, to return the United States to the gold standard. (Which economists estimate would crash not just the American economy, but the global economy.) He also refers to climate change as “the greatest scam in history” and cites five so-called scientists who disprove what ALL the other climate change scientists say is definitely happening.
In case anyone wants to know what it REALLY IS, as opposed to the bile and blather being spewed by the Conservatives that are still owned by the Oil and Coal lobby, HERE YOU GO!!
The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity forall. It will:
Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy
Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs
Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to ensure economic security for people and communities that have historically relied on fossil fuel industries
Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by prioritizing investment, training, climate and community resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these communities.
Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:
A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and retirement security
High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools
Clean air and water and access to nature
Healthy food
High-quality health care
Safe, affordable, adequate housing
Economic environment free of monopolies
Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work
The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment. At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy that should grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.
In other words, tax the living crap out of everyone who has 2 cents to rub together, then have the government retain ownership and control of the new “investments”.
Oops. Let’s not forget this part. Ya gotta love that whole “Social Justice” thing. So nebulous, so flexible. Why, it can be almost anything the party in power wants it to be. I really like the part about guaranteeing a job for everyone. Not just any job, but a union job.
Social and economic justice and security through 15 requirements:
o Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment
o Ensure the environmental and social costs of emissions are taken into account
o Provide job training and education to all
o Invest in R&D of new clean and renewable energy technologies
o Doing direct investments in frontline and deindustrialized communities that would otherwise be hurt by the transition to prioritize economic benefits there
o Use democratic and participatory processes led by frontline and vulnerable communities to implement GND projects locally
o Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local
o Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages
o Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize
o Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards
o Enact and enforce trade rules to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas and grow domestic manufacturing
o Ensure public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and eminent domain is not abused
o Obtain free, prior, and informed consent of Indigenous peoples
o Ensure an economic environment free of monopolies and unfair competition
o Provide high-quality health care, housing, economic security, and clean air, clean water, healthy food, and nature to all
I’m astounded. Seriously: Amazed and astounded that the folks who own our congress and senate are so short sighted that they cannot see the point of spending serious time and money to fix a very serious problem. Even the Pentagon (not noted for being forward looking and in any case whose job is not to fix climate change) is starting to work on how they’re going to cope with climate change including rising sea levels.
@Andylit Seriously though. If the budget is your main concern with the GND, why don’t I ever see you posting about all the money we waste on our military budget?
Odon Premium Member about 5 years ago
Careful GOP, it’s an idea!
mourdac Premium Member about 5 years ago
Should be a squad of ’Cons lined up behind the “lion” tamer heavily armed with automatic weapons for support.
Masterskrain Premium Member about 5 years ago
“Lions, and Blue Skies, and Fresh Air, OH MY!!”
Kip W about 5 years ago
“Best not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit’s dynamite!”
wellis1947 Premium Member about 5 years ago
I will note two things about the “Green New Deal”. The first is that it is a wonderful attempt to establish a series of discussions on things of vital concern to all Americans.
The second point is that most conservatives have neither read nor understood what the G.N.D. is about. Of course, I understand that acknowledgement of its “source” is enough cause to condemn it, but, seriously, republicans, saving the planet is a horrible idea simply because a democrat advances it?
It is a “starting point” for discussion – not a declaration of “martial law”! Sheesh!
Andylit Premium Member about 5 years ago
Cute but misguided. All we need to do is point to the details and it self destructs. And takes out any candidate foolish enough to embrace it.
Radish the wordsmith about 5 years ago
Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day: John Duncan, Jr.
He tended to identify with the Libertarian wing of the GOP, and we didn’t notice at first, that in 2013, Rep. Duncan floated the idea that Ron Paul kept regurgitating, to return the United States to the gold standard. (Which economists estimate would crash not just the American economy, but the global economy.) He also refers to climate change as “the greatest scam in history” and cites five so-called scientists who disprove what ALL the other climate change scientists say is definitely happening.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/22/1836948/-Crazy-Stupid-Republican-of-the-Day-John-Duncan-Jr?utm_campaign=recent
Radish the wordsmith about 5 years ago
We can’t have green energy, it will cut into tax breaks for the rich and the monetary support for coal and oil!
Masterskrain Premium Member about 5 years ago
In case anyone wants to know what it REALLY IS, as opposed to the bile and blather being spewed by the Conservatives that are still owned by the Oil and Coal lobby, HERE YOU GO!!
https://www.gp.org/gnd_full
Andylit Premium Member about 5 years ago
I wonder why Master is linking to the Green Party web site. This monstrosity is supposedly being offered by the Dems.
Andylit Premium Member about 5 years ago
From the original document issued by AOC and filed with Congress, where is cannot be removed or scrubbed.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf
The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity forall. It will:
Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy
Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs
Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to ensure economic security for people and communities that have historically relied on fossil fuel industries
Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by prioritizing investment, training, climate and community resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these communities.
Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:
A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and retirement security
High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools
Clean air and water and access to nature
Healthy food
High-quality health care
Safe, affordable, adequate housing
Economic environment free of monopolies
Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work
Andylit Premium Member about 5 years ago
From AOC’s original document.
How will you pay for it?
The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment. At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy that should grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.
In other words, tax the living crap out of everyone who has 2 cents to rub together, then have the government retain ownership and control of the new “investments”.
Where have we heard this before?
Andylit Premium Member about 5 years ago
Oops. Let’s not forget this part. Ya gotta love that whole “Social Justice” thing. So nebulous, so flexible. Why, it can be almost anything the party in power wants it to be. I really like the part about guaranteeing a job for everyone. Not just any job, but a union job.
Social and economic justice and security through 15 requirements:
o Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment
o Ensure the environmental and social costs of emissions are taken into account
o Provide job training and education to all
o Invest in R&D of new clean and renewable energy technologies
o Doing direct investments in frontline and deindustrialized communities that would otherwise be hurt by the transition to prioritize economic benefits there
o Use democratic and participatory processes led by frontline and vulnerable communities to implement GND projects locally
o Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local
o Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages
o Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize
o Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards
o Enact and enforce trade rules to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas and grow domestic manufacturing
o Ensure public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and eminent domain is not abused
o Obtain free, prior, and informed consent of Indigenous peoples
o Ensure an economic environment free of monopolies and unfair competition
o Provide high-quality health care, housing, economic security, and clean air, clean water, healthy food, and nature to all
Masterskrain Premium Member about 5 years ago
Because that’s the first site that came up when I did a Google search for “Green New Deal”, that’s why. And your problem with that is…what, exactly??
Radish the wordsmith about 5 years ago
1.5 trillion for billionaires bringing the deficit up to 22 trillion
Concretionist about 5 years ago
I’m astounded. Seriously: Amazed and astounded that the folks who own our congress and senate are so short sighted that they cannot see the point of spending serious time and money to fix a very serious problem. Even the Pentagon (not noted for being forward looking and in any case whose job is not to fix climate change) is starting to work on how they’re going to cope with climate change including rising sea levels.
tauyen about 5 years ago
The GOP wants a new meaning to MAGA – Making Americans Gasp Again
wolfiiig about 5 years ago
The GOP will save us from clean air and water!
Jim Houck Premium Member about 5 years ago
It’s a starting point for discussion. The GOP is always afraid of new ideas that don’t involve greed.
Daeder about 5 years ago
@Andylit “Cute but misguided” Is that from your online dating profile?
Daeder about 5 years ago
@Andylit Seriously though. If the budget is your main concern with the GND, why don’t I ever see you posting about all the money we waste on our military budget?