Tom Toles for January 03, 2011

Some people who were using the emergency room for free care may now have to pay (mandate) for a policy. I like that part. It even includes a co-pay……just gets better.

Of course if it were a small elephant falling, the tune would be different!

The only people using the emergency room for free are those that have no assets. Otherwise you get a bill to pay. I wish we could put all of these myths to rest.

Forget it, Rockngolfer. The extreme-right-wing noise machine manufactures them faster than they can be debunked. That’s how they prosper in a fact-free zone.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2010/12/its-not-fox-news-fault-obamacare-bad-law

“the last time a majority of Americans supported the Democratic plan was July 2009”….(before it was written)…”once voters found out what was in Obamacare, they opposed it.”

the problem is as Pelosi said…”we have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it”……and there are more than 2,000 pages to go in discovering what all was dumped on the American People!!!

I’m making the Washington Examiner my FAV news source for my daily printouts….I love the WE’s opinion writers line-up!

also I printed out an excellent editorial ‘toon by Nate Beeler….”Off the Deep End”….LOL.

unions, muslims amish and 111 (last known figure) companies are all exempt from obamacare…I’d like to hear an answer to jack75287’s question:

If Obama Care is so great why do so many companies and special interest groups get exempt.

disgusted, you missed something in that link. Politifact and others have studied how Americans reacted and found, categorically, that those who watched FoxNews believed demonstrably WRONG assertions. This editorial doesn’t deny any of that - it just claims that the eeeevil Democrats are accusing Republicans and FoxNews of lying, and asserts that “ObamaCare is bad law” without a scintilla of evidence. The nearest it has to a justification is that Americans don’t like the law, but the whole point of the study is that Americans are misinformed about it! Circular reasoning at its finest.

Harley, translate your post into English, read it, and you’ll find that all you’re doing is supporting Motivemagus’s post.

disgusted please read Pelosi’s entire sentence that includes “we have to pass the bill to see what’s in it” rather than to distort what she did say.

Death panels are here today in the USA.

If you want to see death panels in action just look at the recent changes in Arizona’s medicaid. Several American’s needing life saving transplants have been removed from transplant lists as Arizona has opted to no longer fund these procedures.

Like what’s about to happen to that unhappy fellow on the way down, in the good old days, the poor, the sick and the injured often had the decency to die promptly and typically required relatively little and relatively inexpensive care. Our friends the Rethuglicans seem to long to return to those better times…

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/10/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-barack-obama-death-panel/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/

I will see your two links and raise you three links. Someone is bluffing and holding a bad hand!

It’s kind of like this: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/12/most_back_repealing_dont_ask_d.html

Yet the vote had *31* opposed. So … “American people” this, “American People” that. At some point or another everyone’s full of it when they say they speak for “the American people.”

Many “bleeding heart” liberals who were for the HCR bill demanded a Public Option. When Obama said “hey we may get a bill without it but it’s good guys” and that option failed to pass (to appease Republicans who still didn’t vote for it), many supporters turned against it. So at one time the HCR enjoyed around 60% support, and then dropped to +/- 50% where it now is. This is without getting into the lies of the year like “government takeover” (from people on Medicare, lulz), and “death panels.”

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/healthcare/articles/2011/01/03/first-physical-with-medicare-now-free.html

Government takeover of physicals. Once they know what’s ailing you, they can kill you. *

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/ill-never-ration-not-me-not-i/?src=twt&twt=nytimes

jack, harley is throwing out links without regard to whether they even support the case! I’d read some of Jade’s if I were you. By the way, alluding to this as “put downs from the left” is an insult. Some of us are trying to provide facts, information, and data. If you think that is a “put down,” it says more about your willingness to question your own views than anything “the left” is doing.

Jade you left out guys like Joe Lieberman and Max Baucus who were opposed to the public option. As much as the cons destroyed much of the bill the Dems have done the real damage by not providing a public option.

It’s so sad that the spineless Democrats took out the public option in order to appease the Republicans…and those Republicans still didn’t vote for the bill.

And future actions suggest that the Democrats didn’t learn anything from this.

Why do the Republicans hate the average Americans so much? Is money really better than improving the lives of average Americans?

I have a rock-solid health care plan, but I’m still in favor of the Republican-soiled “Obamacare”, even if it raises my taxes, because I care about my fellow citizens too much to be a conservative.

Ahem.

There is a very good and politically practical reason why “single payer” health care didn’t and won’t get off the ground with either party.

Nearly every medical practice/clinic has one or several people working on “medical billing,” and the “medical billing” departments of hospitals can run from dozens to hundreds of employees. And there are corresponding numbers of workers on the other end at the insurance companies. Then there are all the administrators, lawyers, accountants and others that are ancillary to the business. Any significant streamlining of, let alone the elimination of, the insurance racket would put many or most of these people out of their jobs. That would no doubt add up to an astonishing number of people unemployed if we went to a far more efficient single payer system. The political implications of that are obvious and unacceptable to both the Demipublicans and Republicrats.

And so it goes…

Percentage-wise, those people’s jobs are negligible, and certainly not a reason to keep insurance company’s profits at Republican levels.

Especially since most of them would keep their jobs processing claims under the new system.

The ‘phants will offer him wax and feathers to fly on his own.

JACK: Its real simple. Harley (and Disgusting) are offering opinion links with no solid facts. The last two that Quinn put up were (in order) : (1) A blog that trashes “Obamacare” with Glenn Beck talking points and (2) a story that has been debunked. The guys at the Wall Street Urinal decided to grab a piece of the actual story and generate their own news. Here’s Reuters reporting on it: http://tinyurl.com/26vkrru Why don’t we dig up McCarthy and the red menace since we’re bringing up old lies again.

So if Harley thinks he’s getting to us with all his made up garbage then he’s delusional.

As for your story JACK it seems that Corbyn is reporting on the symptom, not the problem.

@WarCrime - You are correct. My apologies. I should have elaborated more.

Harley: “but but think of the kids”

Republicans don’t care about kids unless they haven’t been born yet, Harley.

^They (the right) don’t care about the kids. They’re just for show. There was a comic not too long in reference to school lunch and ALL the righties said they should do away with it despite that 17 million kids in the U.S. are going to bed hungry.

http://tinyurl.com/ycpx7xv

@Jade No problem and no need to apologize. It irks me that conserveDems are out doing the bidding of the health care industry and every other corporation that fund their campaigns and their pockets.

jack, just because one guy quoted on FoxNews gets one thing right doesn’t mean you can toss the work of thousands of scientists gathered over decades. He’s proposed an alternative hypothesis, but there is a VAST amount of information lined up against him. Science is not a case of “false in one thing, false in all,” when it is something this complex. Instead, it is a matter of accumulated data. And there are always exceptional cases. I’ll reply at greater length later.

^ Isn’t that the definition of “conservative”?