Yep, the minority is winning the battles. Still only takes one frigging senator to put a hold on any nomination, any bill, and they no longer even have to actually filibuster. Shoot, this time Mitch McConnell just had to send a threatening letter.
Blackmail, extortion is now accepted, and successful, practice.
The D stands for decoy. Dylan Ratigan said it best: when the difference between the two parties is their stance on gay marriage we don’t have two parties.
in a few decades from now, the most powerful man in the world will be elected or not on one question; what is the maximum size of a cucumber a man can eat without being gay and going to Hell?
The Almighty Cerberus says;
Gays in Hell…gays in Hell…people who believe that have never seen Hell! It’s the size of a bathroom, there is no way we can fit all the gays of the World in there, plus the murderers, the rapists, child molesters and greedy people!
It’s so crowded already, Hitler and Ted Bundy have to be on thee same torture thingy!
Pretty soon the Democrats will be in the minority, and then they’ll be the ones with all the power!
So ironic that it wasn’t that long ago that the Republicans wanted to do away the filibuster (coincidentally, when they were in the majority), and now they use it more than any other Congress in history.
The Republicans are quick learners. They saw what the Democrats did when the Republicans had the majority and just improved upon what they saw in action.
^ except your thesis is incorrect, totally. Dems didn’t file notice to filibuster on every piece of legislation like GOP has done this session. Dems didn’t send letters stating no business, nothing, nada, zip, zero would be conducted until they got their extended tax cuts for the top two percent. lib 1, your aversion to facts continues unabated.
Pretty soon the Democrats will be in the minority, and then they’ll be the ones with all the power!
So ironic that it wasn’t that long ago that the Republicans wanted to do away the filibuster (coincidentally, when they were in the majority), and now they use it more than any other Congress in history.
Picking up from a discussion/conversation earlier in the week at Chip Bok’s forum of his cartoon of December 3rd: Libert, you can contact me at Brian_Crook59@Yahoo.com. I visit New York this weekend.
I feel as flummoxed as does matt Davies in this cartoon. Why do the Senate Democrats keep playing for ties? Why don’t they play to win and stop permitting all these covert filibusters? Make Jon Kyl stand in the Senate and filibuster the START treaty. Make Mitch McConnell defend starving the unemployed while giving money to millionaires. Don’t the Democrats realize that if it does not happen before the cameras, then it does not happen? Americans don’t see the Republicans stopping everything. Americans simply see ineffective Democrats.
lib1, you may be the only person in America who is not willing to acknowledge that the Senate used the threat of filibuster in the last two years more than any other time in the history of the U.S. Senate. Amazing.
brian, boy, do I agree with you. This rule that filibusters no longer actually have to take place is in effect making the filibuster tactic invisible to the public. All it takes is one Senator to stop everything dead in its tracks and it will take 60 votes to get things moving again. It is having the effect of making the majority seem completely ineffective with no fault accruing to the minority.
Leaderless, disgraced before the eyes of the moderate population of all parties by the fascist maneuvering they used in the healthcare debacle, and newly apprised that the public will have its way…. YES …the lame Dukkies are indeed weaker than their mere rump numbers might suggest.
Ironic, that gross displays of hubris lead to unemployment, weakness, and a place in the rear of the legislative bus.
^ No question about the Republicans use of the threat of filibuster for the past 2 years, not disagreeing.
But “Dems didn’t send letters stating no business, nothing, nada, zip, zero would be conducted until they got their extended tax cuts for the top two percent. lib 1, your aversion to facts continues unabated.”
only has occurred in the past 2 weeks. So I guess your flat out statement was in error. Will you admit it?
^So you mean G.W. Bush sending me a letter telling me I was gonna get $300 and giving me $300 along with dropping the top marginal tax rate on captial gains from 35% to 15% never happened?
my statement: “Dems didn’t send letters stating no business, nothing, nada, zip, zero would be conducted until they got their extended tax cuts for the top two percent.”
lib 1: So I guess your flat out statement was in error. Will you admit it?
I said for years Democrats used the filibuster tool. I also said for years the Republicans used the filibuster tool.
But i also said the sentence we both quoted only happened during the past 2-3 weeks. You implied that was the tone for the entire 2 years and i simply said it was just for the 2 week period after the election. My quote ” you are conflating …”
2 years ago the Republicans did not say” no business, nothing …”
I think Lib is saying that the current plan to block all legislation until the rich are granted a tax break is a recent event, not one they’ve used for the last two years.
For the last two years, they just blocked any legislation that they worried would be good for the country, as it would make Obama look good, and go against their primary goal of defeating him in 2012.
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
Yep, the minority is winning the battles. Still only takes one frigging senator to put a hold on any nomination, any bill, and they no longer even have to actually filibuster. Shoot, this time Mitch McConnell just had to send a threatening letter. Blackmail, extortion is now accepted, and successful, practice.
WarBush over 13 years ago
The D stands for decoy. Dylan Ratigan said it best: when the difference between the two parties is their stance on gay marriage we don’t have two parties.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
^ Bingo!
in a few decades from now, the most powerful man in the world will be elected or not on one question; what is the maximum size of a cucumber a man can eat without being gay and going to Hell?
The Almighty Cerberus says; Gays in Hell…gays in Hell…people who believe that have never seen Hell! It’s the size of a bathroom, there is no way we can fit all the gays of the World in there, plus the murderers, the rapists, child molesters and greedy people! It’s so crowded already, Hitler and Ted Bundy have to be on thee same torture thingy!
riley05 over 13 years ago
Pretty soon the Democrats will be in the minority, and then they’ll be the ones with all the power!
So ironic that it wasn’t that long ago that the Republicans wanted to do away the filibuster (coincidentally, when they were in the majority), and now they use it more than any other Congress in history.
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
The Republicans are quick learners. They saw what the Democrats did when the Republicans had the majority and just improved upon what they saw in action.
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
^ except your thesis is incorrect, totally. Dems didn’t file notice to filibuster on every piece of legislation like GOP has done this session. Dems didn’t send letters stating no business, nothing, nada, zip, zero would be conducted until they got their extended tax cuts for the top two percent. lib 1, your aversion to facts continues unabated.
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
^ You are conflating 2 years with 2 weeks
riley05 over 13 years ago
^ And you are ignoring history, Lib.
Pretty soon the Democrats will be in the minority, and then they’ll be the ones with all the power!
So ironic that it wasn’t that long ago that the Republicans wanted to do away the filibuster (coincidentally, when they were in the majority), and now they use it more than any other Congress in history.
myming over 13 years ago
with those arms, i can’t see how either will win…
BrianCrook over 13 years ago
Picking up from a discussion/conversation earlier in the week at Chip Bok’s forum of his cartoon of December 3rd: Libert, you can contact me at Brian_Crook59@Yahoo.com. I visit New York this weekend.
I feel as flummoxed as does matt Davies in this cartoon. Why do the Senate Democrats keep playing for ties? Why don’t they play to win and stop permitting all these covert filibusters? Make Jon Kyl stand in the Senate and filibuster the START treaty. Make Mitch McConnell defend starving the unemployed while giving money to millionaires. Don’t the Democrats realize that if it does not happen before the cameras, then it does not happen? Americans don’t see the Republicans stopping everything. Americans simply see ineffective Democrats.
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
lib1, you may be the only person in America who is not willing to acknowledge that the Senate used the threat of filibuster in the last two years more than any other time in the history of the U.S. Senate. Amazing.
brian, boy, do I agree with you. This rule that filibusters no longer actually have to take place is in effect making the filibuster tactic invisible to the public. All it takes is one Senator to stop everything dead in its tracks and it will take 60 votes to get things moving again. It is having the effect of making the majority seem completely ineffective with no fault accruing to the minority.
Artisan33 over 13 years ago
Leaderless, disgraced before the eyes of the moderate population of all parties by the fascist maneuvering they used in the healthcare debacle, and newly apprised that the public will have its way…. YES …the lame Dukkies are indeed weaker than their mere rump numbers might suggest.
Ironic, that gross displays of hubris lead to unemployment, weakness, and a place in the rear of the legislative bus.
The system DOES work!
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
^ No question about the Republicans use of the threat of filibuster for the past 2 years, not disagreeing.
But “Dems didn’t send letters stating no business, nothing, nada, zip, zero would be conducted until they got their extended tax cuts for the top two percent. lib 1, your aversion to facts continues unabated.”
only has occurred in the past 2 weeks. So I guess your flat out statement was in error. Will you admit it?
WarBush over 13 years ago
^So you mean G.W. Bush sending me a letter telling me I was gonna get $300 and giving me $300 along with dropping the top marginal tax rate on captial gains from 35% to 15% never happened?
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
my statement: “Dems didn’t send letters stating no business, nothing, nada, zip, zero would be conducted until they got their extended tax cuts for the top two percent.”
lib 1: So I guess your flat out statement was in error. Will you admit it?
uh, my statement was flat-out correct
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
^ I have no idea what you are talking about.
I said for years Democrats used the filibuster tool. I also said for years the Republicans used the filibuster tool.
But i also said the sentence we both quoted only happened during the past 2-3 weeks. You implied that was the tone for the entire 2 years and i simply said it was just for the 2 week period after the election. My quote ” you are conflating …”
2 years ago the Republicans did not say” no business, nothing …”
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
^ I pray your reading comprehension improves.
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
^what did I miss comprehend? You combined 2 actions and implied something that happened 2 weeks ago actually had been happening for 2 years.
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
not really, lib 1. you “conflated” the items.
riley05 over 13 years ago
I think Lib is saying that the current plan to block all legislation until the rich are granted a tax break is a recent event, not one they’ve used for the last two years.
For the last two years, they just blocked any legislation that they worried would be good for the country, as it would make Obama look good, and go against their primary goal of defeating him in 2012.