And what are we doing in Djibouti, Africa… Yokosuka, Nagasaki, Japan… And of course Guantanamo, and many other US military bases around the world? We want to rule the world (at any cost) but it feels good to blame Europe for few $millions in arrears, if any… So Breen, enough of the Bovine Scatology! Europe should call the tramp’s bluff and drop out of NATO tomorrow, just to see the faces at the Pentagon…
European nations have squabbled among themselves for many thousands of years, and it took the destruction of World War Two to finally get them conducive to a cultural and political re-set. I am often struck by, for instance on travel programs, how peaceful and comfortable and affluent the Europeans seemed, additionally so after Communism lost hold. The U. S. helped in no small ways to help allow this to develop, in my opinion. Well, now with terrorism sloshing around they have a chance to come up out of their parent’s basement and take total control of their lives. Otherwise, they will slip back into chauvinistic chaos. I hope that Trump puts this across less abrasively and crudely, and more intelligently, than in most of his speeches.
“The erosion of the American presidency’s global role certainly did not begin with Trump’s inauguration. Trump’s predecessor, Barack Obama, brought a hyper-logical approach to foreign affairs, focusing on discrete areas where he believed the US had an interest and could make an impact. Yet he failed to account for America’s systemic role; as a result, he inadvertently reinforced perceptions of declining US global leadership.
Obama, for his part, was reacting to his own predecessor, George W. Bush, whose tendency toward dangerous overreach was exemplified in his Global War on Terrorism. And that tendency did not start with Bush: the list goes on, taking us back a good century. …But Trump is no Nixon, Reagan, or anyone else. He is sui generis – a reality-show president optimized for sound-bite social-media politics. A uniquely gifted performer in the digital circus, he lacks the vision, consistency, and perceptiveness that today’s fast-changing and deeply interconnected world demands from its leaders. "
(Don’t anybody bring up the point of how all those NATO countries fought and died for us in the Afghanistan war. That will weaken our attacks on those deadbeats…..)
What a crock. Trump is talking as if the entire military budget is dedicated to defending Europe. Really? What aircraft carrier protects Europe? What Marine division is in Europe? What about all of our Airforce and submarine fleet? Are they in Europe? What about all the soldiers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and the Far East [South Korea] and what about Space Command. The REALITY is that only a small proportion of our budget, large though it may be, is targeted elsewhere. Once again, Republican Trump and ignorant Steve Breen LIE.
When you come together with your friends for the better of the group, you don’t look at your sacrifices as carrying your friends, you think of all the things you didn’t get to do for them. When you are with your friends and they work with you – you don’t count the petty ways they do not rise up to your standard, you compliment them on how much they can do with what they have.
The Republicans don’t like NATO because they like Russia and Saudi Arabia. NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defense and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict. Something the Trump administration has no interest in.
I am glad for Trump’s current straight talk, what did he say, that twenty three of twenty eight nations are not doing their fair share. Holloway, above said NATO is working the way it is supposed to, if all members are not paying the 2% GDP they promised to, than Holloway is wrong. I was glad to see several of the NATO head’s of state look like children being caught. Every year they don’t pay the 2% we have to pay more."
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Yeah, for sure, we oughtta get the heck out of NATO. It has obviously delivered failing results for, what, 60+ years?
And brought out country to the brink of bankruptcy will all the military spending we’ve had to do there.
C Michael Holloway Premium Member almost 7 years ago
And that’s exactly how it was intended to work from the beginning.
onzerocs almost 7 years ago
And what are we doing in Djibouti, Africa… Yokosuka, Nagasaki, Japan… And of course Guantanamo, and many other US military bases around the world? We want to rule the world (at any cost) but it feels good to blame Europe for few $millions in arrears, if any… So Breen, enough of the Bovine Scatology! Europe should call the tramp’s bluff and drop out of NATO tomorrow, just to see the faces at the Pentagon…
emptc12 almost 7 years ago
European nations have squabbled among themselves for many thousands of years, and it took the destruction of World War Two to finally get them conducive to a cultural and political re-set. I am often struck by, for instance on travel programs, how peaceful and comfortable and affluent the Europeans seemed, additionally so after Communism lost hold. The U. S. helped in no small ways to help allow this to develop, in my opinion. Well, now with terrorism sloshing around they have a chance to come up out of their parent’s basement and take total control of their lives. Otherwise, they will slip back into chauvinistic chaos. I hope that Trump puts this across less abrasively and crudely, and more intelligently, than in most of his speeches.
comixbomix almost 7 years ago
Seems a fitting role for the ‘greatest nation’…and, incidentally, that’s NOT what’s bending ‘Uncle Sam’s’ back…
martens almost 7 years ago
A view of the US role from a European:
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-presidency-global-leadership-by-ana-palacio-2017-05
“The erosion of the American presidency’s global role certainly did not begin with Trump’s inauguration. Trump’s predecessor, Barack Obama, brought a hyper-logical approach to foreign affairs, focusing on discrete areas where he believed the US had an interest and could make an impact. Yet he failed to account for America’s systemic role; as a result, he inadvertently reinforced perceptions of declining US global leadership.
Obama, for his part, was reacting to his own predecessor, George W. Bush, whose tendency toward dangerous overreach was exemplified in his Global War on Terrorism. And that tendency did not start with Bush: the list goes on, taking us back a good century. …But Trump is no Nixon, Reagan, or anyone else. He is sui generis – a reality-show president optimized for sound-bite social-media politics. A uniquely gifted performer in the digital circus, he lacks the vision, consistency, and perceptiveness that today’s fast-changing and deeply interconnected world demands from its leaders. "
Radish the wordsmith almost 7 years ago
Insane Trump totally embarrassing our country in front of Europe again. Thanks republicons.
NeoconMan almost 7 years ago
(Don’t anybody bring up the point of how all those NATO countries fought and died for us in the Afghanistan war. That will weaken our attacks on those deadbeats…..)
walfishj almost 7 years ago
What a crock. Trump is talking as if the entire military budget is dedicated to defending Europe. Really? What aircraft carrier protects Europe? What Marine division is in Europe? What about all of our Airforce and submarine fleet? Are they in Europe? What about all the soldiers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and the Far East [South Korea] and what about Space Command. The REALITY is that only a small proportion of our budget, large though it may be, is targeted elsewhere. Once again, Republican Trump and ignorant Steve Breen LIE.
Mr. Blawt almost 7 years ago
When you come together with your friends for the better of the group, you don’t look at your sacrifices as carrying your friends, you think of all the things you didn’t get to do for them. When you are with your friends and they work with you – you don’t count the petty ways they do not rise up to your standard, you compliment them on how much they can do with what they have.
The Republicans don’t like NATO because they like Russia and Saudi Arabia. NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defense and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict. Something the Trump administration has no interest in.
braindead Premium Member almost 7 years ago
“jack75287
I am glad for Trump’s current straight talk, what did he say, that twenty three of twenty eight nations are not doing their fair share. Holloway, above said NATO is working the way it is supposed to, if all members are not paying the 2% GDP they promised to, than Holloway is wrong. I was glad to see several of the NATO head’s of state look like children being caught. Every year they don’t pay the 2% we have to pay more."
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Yeah, for sure, we oughtta get the heck out of NATO. It has obviously delivered failing results for, what, 60+ years?
And brought out country to the brink of bankruptcy will all the military spending we’ve had to do there.
And all with zero benefits to ourselves.
Teto85 Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Fack wur