Michael Ramirez for November 19, 2016

How many electoral votes does Mexico get?

The electoral college acts as a counter to widespread fraud in any particular locale, as well.

The map looks good to me.

well, if thats where people are…

One oerson, one vote. The Electoral College is the reason many don’t bother voting

The electoral college serves a useful function, but it would be improved by allocating the electors in each state proportionally to the vote.

You misspelled with.

each state gets 2 points, first to 52 wins.

I love Ramirez’ toon map and I thank him for it…one picture is worth a thousand words to explain an issue……AH-Buck…I agree that the Founders’ plan gives that bonus, plus gives citizens in the fly-over-larger-area an equalizer in the power of their one vote per citizen.—-schools before the 1950s taught in civics class that it is important as a duty and a citizen responsibility to vote….but for “free-rider-citizens” any excuse will do for an alibi….The Churches need to re-educate Christians on the New Testament commands, from Jesus’ teaching the Jews to pay tribute to the Roman government and to pay their tithes to the Lord; to Romans chapters 12 and 13 to support God’s plan for nations and leaders whose duty is to be God’s official for upholding law and order to protect citizens.

Strangely, the sizes of states in the map seem to be inversely related to their production of food.

The west coast doesn’t need you whiney east side racists dragging civil rights backwards at all. at all.

Ramirez doesn’t imply Canadians and Mexicans have votes in a US election!………p.s. thought since my first post….it is said by analyists that this was the “forgotten man” or “forgotten citizen” revolution vote….how much worse it would be if the anti-constitution Americans succeeded in eliminating the Electoral College……would they also try to eliminate handicapping in sports such as bowling, etc.?“Fairness” is never found in a liberal/leftists playbook, right?

In an interview heavy on economic populism, Donald Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon told The Hollywood Reporter he wants to ditch the Republican Party establishment and start over. “Like (Andrew) Jackson’s populism, we’re going to build an entirely new political movement,” he said. And that’s not all:

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“Darkness is good. Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That’s power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they’re blind to who we are and what we’re doing."

Trump demands apology from ‘Hamilton’ after cast’s message to Pence

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“Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at ‘Hamilton: An American Musical.’ We really do,” Dixon said to further applause. “We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Again, we truly thank you truly for (sharing) this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations.”

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“The Theater must always be a safe and special place,” Trump tweeted as a follow-up. “The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/11/19/trump-demands-apology-from-hamilton-after-casts-message-to-pence/

HabaneroBuck

How? Despite the fear merchants, there is no “widespread fraud” and if their were (Dibold voting machines come to mind as the last example), there is little or no difference between the diluting power of one over the other. Instant Runoff Voting (first, second, third, etc. choices) would do more to swamp isolated fraud than either. You don’t deserve more votes than I. We got direct election of senators, we need direct election of president as well. I have never been permitted to vote for elector, why should a few rich party hacks have that power? Political parties are not provided for in the Constitution, in fact, many of the founders were appalled at the idea and said so.

Well yes. And what’s your point Ramirez ?Aren’t we all equal? If we are, shouldn’t each (our) vote be worth the same ? Are you suggesting that people who live in more populous states are somehow inferior ?

Love this cartoon, Ramirez. Perhaps I won’t agree with the implications for the other states (I’m in New York), but you make your point without partisanship.

If the college electors were divided to represent the popular vote in each state, instead of “winner take all”, it would serve better the original purpose. It could also be noted that the college was originally devised to give the “tip” to the privileged 1% who were actually allowed to vote, not the common man, and of course, women didn’t count at all.

just shows, if you don’t vote, you don’t win. how come hilliary did so poorly in the states barry won handily, even though his opponent got more votes than trump did?

Hey Mike. States aren’t people, just like $$ aren’t people….It’s we the people…. not we the states or we the $$, get it?Probably not!

Good illustration.

Stan KIng: also, Florida produces more beef than nearly all the western public land “Cowboys”, combined! Tourism isn’t the only revenue producer.

Stan King

Even “agricultural” states producing edible crops, are not producing food. Most of Iowa and Kansas corn crops go to vehicle fuel, livestock feed (vs the more nutritious prairie grass), and booze, than they do roasting ears, corn meal, hominy, and breakfast flakes. How many states, other than the three you mention, produce any citrus fruit at all? Hawaii, but more than their own consumption? The country would come down with scurvy first.

@mikefive - Not Happy? How about this argument then:

Should people move so Mike’s (Ramirez that is, not you 5) map looks more equal??

Let’s see 320M divided by 50 = 6.4M per state…. mmmm… might get a little crowded in Delaware and Rhode Island…. but here in Cali, I’ll be lovin’ it! Or maybe we just divide Cali into 10 states and see what that does to Mike’s electoral map…. I’m really liking the look of the Senate with 18 more Dems!!!

But wait Wyoming has ~600K people and gets 3 Electoral Votes… While Cali has ~40M and 55 Electoral Votes, yeah that’s proportional…. (40M divided by 600K times 3 = 200, but I’m sure Repo’s aren’t mathematicians either….)

PS—- My 1st post was directed at Ramirez, not you 5… but glad to see you take the bait!

PPS – As to the proportions drawn by Mike…. you judge:

(apx to the 1/2 Million)

CA – 39.5

TX – 28

FL – 20.5

NY – 20

IL – 13

PA – 13

OH – 11.5

GA – 10

NC – 10

MI – 10

NJ – 9

VA – 8.5

OK, OK, so Repo’s aren’t cartographers either…

i wish the left coast would go ahead and create their own socialist bankrupt third world country. kudos to ramirez again.

After watching the damage large cities do to entire state level results, I’m all for a constitutional amendment to take the Electoral College concept down to the state-results level.

In NC just a couple counties, which just happened to have been open longer than the rest on election day, elected a new governor. Imagine how much it would change if rural counties had as much say in state level results as the metropolitan cesspools.

Why don’t other “democracies” use this? One man, one vote should decide the election.

Thanks to Dogday88 for the post 22 hours ago; and I have a favor to ask….what is the book, chapter and verse of your quote “Be no part of the world…”……I am sorry if you thought my posts call for a Christian to put allegiance to this world above our spiritual status in God’s Family….I always accepted the motto of earthly priorities as “God, Family, Country” in that order……Scripture “be not conformed to this world” is at the top of my personal list; I check out worldly teachings and compare them to scripture and so I oppose the lies of evolution and its by-lies such as global climate change as a threat man can fix…etc. But as Jesus paid the Roman tax, no one could vote in that system of Satan. American history is God’s miracle creation of the USA Constitution system and the rights given by God for men to choose leaders by a peaceful system of voting. Romans chapter 13 then shows it is Christian duty to use that power to vote for the best candidate who is closest to supporting an agenda of government that upholds Bible principles: pro-life, Biblical values of marriage, etc. In 2016 the choice was clear enough even a donkey could see the chasm between the D and R candidates for President!If God had not stirred up the Christian vote, we would be facing a disaster slide into Hades for our miracle nation, IMO.

A much more reasonable map can be found here: http://www.ravi.io/us-population-trends-cartogram

There are many states that are much bigger, but the artist wants to make California look much more powerful than it is.

It would be very interesting to see a cartogram based on the power per voter. In that cartogram, Wyoming would be much bigger than Texas because the “One Man One Vote” principle shows that Wyoming voters have almost three times as much power as the Texas voters.

Power per voter in a popular vote count would have single cities in Texas overpowering the entire number of statewide votes from Wyoming. In this past election, ~230 thousand total Wyoming voters statewide, while Texas had ~7 million total voters statewide. It’s not how many states of 50 (in a popular vote) a candidate wins. It’s what was the total number of votes. Otherwise, it’s the same electoral college argument. “Hey, Trump might have won 30 states, but Hillary has more national votes.” It’s lose/lose for ~43 of the states to agree to leave the electoral college.

I like how you all like to compare WY to CA when describing how unfair it is, but never compare TX to DC (or any of the other small north-eastern states).