And big thanks to Obama on his actions yesterday. Finally, some progress against the merchants of death, no matter how slight it is compared to what he could achieve with a congress who cared about life.
We have expanded background checks here in Colorado. Neither the murder rate nor the violent crime rate went down. Same in California where they have expanded background checks. It didn’t stop the shooting. So real life shows your studies are wrong.
MYTH #10: WE DON’T NEED MORE GUN LAWS—WE JUST NEED TO ENFORCE THE ONES WE HAVE.
Fact-check: Weak laws and loopholes backed by the gun lobby have made it easier for people to get guns illegally. And existing gun laws aren’t preventing guns from getting into the wrong hands: More than 75 percent of the weapons used in mass shootings between 1982 and 2012 were obtained legally.• As much as 40 percent of all gun sales involve private sellers and don’t require background checks. In a survey, 40 percent of prison inmates who used guns in their crimes said they’d gotten them this way. More than 80 percent of gun owners support closing this loophole.• An investigation found that 62 percent of online gun sellers were willing to sell to buyers who said they couldn’t pass a background check.• When researchers posed as illegal “straw” buyers, 20 percent of licensed California gun dealers agreed to sell handguns to them.• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives did not have a permanent director for seven years, due to an NRA-backed requirement that the Senate approve nominees.
That reminds me; Paul Ryan, House Speaker, Republican, announced yesterday that, without even knowing anything about what the President intends to do, his party will oppose it. (Gee, THAT’s news!)Has ANY republican even ONCE contacted the White House, during these past seven years, and say something like: Mr. President, how can we help? Can we discuss this matter with you before we make any decisions?
A major part of the EO is precisely to increase staffing to enforce existing laws, exactly what NRA and righties say is necessary, not “more” laws, which the EO only clarifies needs. As the NRA proponents argue for more emphasis on the mentally ill, who are responsible for less than 5% of shootings in the US, the EO also calls for more funding for mental health care, gee just what the NRA calls for.
As laws make no difference, then the obvious money saving measure the righties, and NRA want, is to totally disband ALL police agencies in the US, as enforcing all those stupid laws does no good, so why bother??
Specific to the Bundys and their idiot “militia members”, absolutely nothing they claim about government land management of the TAXPAYERS’ lands, that never has been “private” or state owned, is true, their BS doesn’t fly with anyone who knows the history and laws regarding land ownership, and that silly Constitution. Ranchers paying less than 10% of fair market value for grazing, btw, is one of the biggest ripoffs of the taxpayers, and Bundy Sr. Still owes over a million, and should be in prison if he won’t pay. He deserves it far more than the Hammonds, who indeed did commit felonies requiring a minimum of 5 years in prison under federal “mandatory minimum sentencing”. Which is why they were sent back to jail.
Just another minor note on the Hammonds and arson: anyone realize how many wildland firefighters have been killed doing their job since the Hammonds started their first blaze some time ago (it was a repeat offense btw)? That toll included several of my close friends, arson is a crime that can lead to murder, folks, it isn’t about the size of the fire when it was stopped by those firefighters.
“You seem to think passing laws making it harder or eliminating guns will somehow change human nature and stop people from murdering or being violent towards other people.”So, any weapon can kill the same number of people as any other weapon? Even you have to admit that’s nonsense.The murder rate in California is lower than it is in states that make it easier for people to acquire guns. You reach your opinions based on headlines & talking points, not facts.
The civil authorities inside the US should have no firearms that civilians can not have. This is to keep the goverment honest. This is just a power play for control of the masses by the people that really call the shots. They want to herd us like good little sheep, right to slaughter, if they so choose. Sorry, as an American, our country is supposed to reconize our God given rights. If they don’t, they need to be reminded, as per Jefferson.
Well, given the definition of a troll is someone who doesn’t want to debate but instead just wants to insult and disrupt, you appear to be the troll, not I. Maybe you should read your link and consider what that says about you.
Tarredand feathered: You’re referring to the Bankhead Jones Act, when farmers were made promises by the railroads to come west and farm, then found out that the land was desert that wouldn’t support dry land farming and they went bust. The Congress paid off the banks, not the farmers, and the land reverted back to the government, my district had several thousand acres, the majority of that land. On the west side, the O & C Act was when the railroad failed to build a railroad on the lands (checkerboard) they were granted, and the government also took that land back and BLM administers it, but the timber was specifically to be managed for maximum profits, and those profits were given to the counties. That’s why several western Oregon counties had no property taxes for decades. When the timber was all taken, and the funds dried up, the counties went to the Congress to still get paid for timber that wasn’t being harvested, ‘cause it wasn’’t there. This was a HUGE ripoff of the taxpayers outside those counties.
Public land grazing, BLM and Forest Service is a very similar ripoff, but not nearly as bad as the 1872 Mining Act, or oil and gas leasing. If miners had to lease and pay fair market value for the minerals, and oil and gas actually paid fair market value on federal lands, we wouldn’t have a national debt. Just the stolen revenue from the leases in the Gulf of Mexico on offshore oil, would eliminate the debt. Which, states like Texas charge FAR MORE for those same types of leases.
ARodney over 8 years ago
And big thanks to Obama on his actions yesterday. Finally, some progress against the merchants of death, no matter how slight it is compared to what he could achieve with a congress who cared about life.
rallsolo over 8 years ago
We have expanded background checks here in Colorado. Neither the murder rate nor the violent crime rate went down. Same in California where they have expanded background checks. It didn’t stop the shooting. So real life shows your studies are wrong.
jan over 8 years ago
MYTH #10: WE DON’T NEED MORE GUN LAWS—WE JUST NEED TO ENFORCE THE ONES WE HAVE.
Fact-check: Weak laws and loopholes backed by the gun lobby have made it easier for people to get guns illegally. And existing gun laws aren’t preventing guns from getting into the wrong hands: More than 75 percent of the weapons used in mass shootings between 1982 and 2012 were obtained legally.• As much as 40 percent of all gun sales involve private sellers and don’t require background checks. In a survey, 40 percent of prison inmates who used guns in their crimes said they’d gotten them this way. More than 80 percent of gun owners support closing this loophole.• An investigation found that 62 percent of online gun sellers were willing to sell to buyers who said they couldn’t pass a background check.• When researchers posed as illegal “straw” buyers, 20 percent of licensed California gun dealers agreed to sell handguns to them.• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives did not have a permanent director for seven years, due to an NRA-backed requirement that the Senate approve nominees.
moosemin over 8 years ago
That reminds me; Paul Ryan, House Speaker, Republican, announced yesterday that, without even knowing anything about what the President intends to do, his party will oppose it. (Gee, THAT’s news!)Has ANY republican even ONCE contacted the White House, during these past seven years, and say something like: Mr. President, how can we help? Can we discuss this matter with you before we make any decisions?
Dtroutma over 8 years ago
A major part of the EO is precisely to increase staffing to enforce existing laws, exactly what NRA and righties say is necessary, not “more” laws, which the EO only clarifies needs. As the NRA proponents argue for more emphasis on the mentally ill, who are responsible for less than 5% of shootings in the US, the EO also calls for more funding for mental health care, gee just what the NRA calls for.
As laws make no difference, then the obvious money saving measure the righties, and NRA want, is to totally disband ALL police agencies in the US, as enforcing all those stupid laws does no good, so why bother??
Dtroutma over 8 years ago
Specific to the Bundys and their idiot “militia members”, absolutely nothing they claim about government land management of the TAXPAYERS’ lands, that never has been “private” or state owned, is true, their BS doesn’t fly with anyone who knows the history and laws regarding land ownership, and that silly Constitution. Ranchers paying less than 10% of fair market value for grazing, btw, is one of the biggest ripoffs of the taxpayers, and Bundy Sr. Still owes over a million, and should be in prison if he won’t pay. He deserves it far more than the Hammonds, who indeed did commit felonies requiring a minimum of 5 years in prison under federal “mandatory minimum sentencing”. Which is why they were sent back to jail.
Dtroutma over 8 years ago
Just another minor note on the Hammonds and arson: anyone realize how many wildland firefighters have been killed doing their job since the Hammonds started their first blaze some time ago (it was a repeat offense btw)? That toll included several of my close friends, arson is a crime that can lead to murder, folks, it isn’t about the size of the fire when it was stopped by those firefighters.
Tarredandfeathered over 8 years ago
Obviously, not Nearly Enough.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 8 years ago
“You seem to think passing laws making it harder or eliminating guns will somehow change human nature and stop people from murdering or being violent towards other people.”So, any weapon can kill the same number of people as any other weapon? Even you have to admit that’s nonsense.The murder rate in California is lower than it is in states that make it easier for people to acquire guns. You reach your opinions based on headlines & talking points, not facts.
oneoldhat over 8 years ago
Ahab what studies?
scyphi26 over 8 years ago
It is a bit of neat coincidence, now that you mention it…
route66paul over 8 years ago
The civil authorities inside the US should have no firearms that civilians can not have. This is to keep the goverment honest. This is just a power play for control of the masses by the people that really call the shots. They want to herd us like good little sheep, right to slaughter, if they so choose. Sorry, as an American, our country is supposed to reconize our God given rights. If they don’t, they need to be reminded, as per Jefferson.
rallsolo over 8 years ago
Well, given the definition of a troll is someone who doesn’t want to debate but instead just wants to insult and disrupt, you appear to be the troll, not I. Maybe you should read your link and consider what that says about you.
Dtroutma over 8 years ago
Tarredand feathered: You’re referring to the Bankhead Jones Act, when farmers were made promises by the railroads to come west and farm, then found out that the land was desert that wouldn’t support dry land farming and they went bust. The Congress paid off the banks, not the farmers, and the land reverted back to the government, my district had several thousand acres, the majority of that land. On the west side, the O & C Act was when the railroad failed to build a railroad on the lands (checkerboard) they were granted, and the government also took that land back and BLM administers it, but the timber was specifically to be managed for maximum profits, and those profits were given to the counties. That’s why several western Oregon counties had no property taxes for decades. When the timber was all taken, and the funds dried up, the counties went to the Congress to still get paid for timber that wasn’t being harvested, ‘cause it wasn’’t there. This was a HUGE ripoff of the taxpayers outside those counties.
Public land grazing, BLM and Forest Service is a very similar ripoff, but not nearly as bad as the 1872 Mining Act, or oil and gas leasing. If miners had to lease and pay fair market value for the minerals, and oil and gas actually paid fair market value on federal lands, we wouldn’t have a national debt. Just the stolen revenue from the leases in the Gulf of Mexico on offshore oil, would eliminate the debt. Which, states like Texas charge FAR MORE for those same types of leases.