Michael Ramirez for May 03, 2015

Can hardly wait for the Lib’s to take on THIS one….

Mr. Ramirez is extremely consistent. He certainly gets the most out of the agenda that he is limited with.

I think he’s conflated and equated at least three different topics. One, he seems to be talking about Iran (and he seems to be suggesting that Iran is stealing a nuclear weapon from Syria). Two, he’s throwing in the riots and looting in Baltimore. Three, he’s referencing the myth that there was a stand down order in Benghazi (and perhaps throwing in the mayor of Baltimore as a side target as well). The result is just a mess. But nothing has to be proved or even supported, it’s all done by innuendo and association of ideas rather than by looking at evidence and reasoning.

“No doubt shipments, contracts, Russian arms seized from the Assad forces, etc., are all just more liberal lies to make excuses for Obama. "I do not follow the logic. Yes no surprise that the Russians are giving arms to Assad, they have been doing that for years- into the cold war. But how is it lies of liberals and Obama?

I’m glad to learn that Iran is trying to invade the Yemen. Those Iranians are so sneaky, they don’t even know they’re doing it..Those Yemeni Houthis (and their Blowfish) are a sect of Islam that is strongly condemned by the King of Saudi Arabia who is (at least in the Saudi sect of Islam, called Wahabbi) the spiritual and temporal leader of all Islam, so everyone in other sects of Islam is a heretic. As the head of the Saudi secret police said, decent Muslims never kill anyone unless it’s required by Sharia, and Sharia (according to the King of Saudi Arabia, who is the ultimate authority) says that Sharia Law requires that all Houthis (and Iranians) must be killed..The Houthis not the same sect as the Iranians, they’re a different sect of heretics, but they still have to be killed under Saudi Sharia Law so the Saudi-American puppet can return to power in the Yemen.

“But countries like Yemen were to be roll models in the middle East of what Obama can do for them.”False or mischaracterization of what he actually said:“In an address on September 10, 2014, President Obama touted Yemen as a counterterrorism success story and said it would be the model for the US’ strategy against ISIS.“This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out ISIL wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years. And it is consistent with the approach I outlined earlier this year: to use force against anyone who threatens America’s core interests, but to mobilize partners wherever possible to address broader challenges to international order” he stated.”http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/10/flashback-obama-touts-yemen-as-success-story/It is the strategy, we should still use. It is not like the Iraq war was a successful strategy While I know there are some boots on the ground in the middle east and probably Yemen, it is a crazy notion for us to go in full scale boots on the ground in Yemen and every conflict. Do some conservatives have no memory and doomed to repeat the same mistakes again and again?

Blaming Obama for how Yemen is today is ridiculous. Nothing in the middle is going to be solved in a short time period.

But noting our ovewhelming success, Rumsfeld noted that in Bagdhad looting was “not a problem”- same for Balitmore??

Conservative “success” abroad and at home.

“excuse me? invaders? more like we did the job, we won the war, Obama said so!”False. I could not find any instance of Obama saying we won the Iraq war. You make things up out of thin air."Barack Obama was against the war in Iraq since it’s inception, refering to it as a “dumb war” and repeatedly stated that we should be as “careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting into it”. He has asserted that his position was that an invasion would embolden extremism and distract from the war on terror. This opposition goes as far back as 2002 and extends through the entirety of the 2008 election."http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/President/US/Barack_Obama/Views/The_War_in_Iraq/

Somebody spent a lot more time on artwork than he did thinking about a message. Both are terribly muddled.

He is talking about strategy to fight terrorism as being successful Not what you said: “But countries like Yemen were to be roll models in the middle East of what Obama can do for them.”From your link:“But I want the American people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil. This counter-terrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out ISIL wherever they exist using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.”You can say well it is not successful, but many terrorist have been killed. Yemen nor the middle east was ever going to be turned overnight.

Thefederalist.com is conservative nonsense, not worth looking at.The second on is a right wing slant, but says thing like Iraq is in free fall. Well yes, but hardly Obama’s fault. It was not like Iraq was going to allow US troops in Iraq without them being able to be arrested and put on trial in Iraq courts. You would not agree to that either.From the american interest article:“But amid the confusion, some experts said that there cannot be an overarching American policy in the Middle East at the moment. The best the White House can do, they said, is tailor policies according to individual crises as they flare up.”The middle east was headed to be a mess no matter what president was in office. The last thing we need is a hammer head president bent on send more Americans into an unwinable (for now) situation to get killed.

On your last two links your holding up George W Bush as the guy to critique Obama in the middle east. The guy who lit the match. Wait he has figured out that the middle east is chaotic.One of my favorite political cartoons:

Wishful think by Joe Biden. I would not say actually moving toward a representative government means that it is successful. Besides your shifting the conversation, the talk was about whether Obama said Yemen was successful and now you throw in a comment by Biden on Iraq.Conservatives always talk about liberal twisting the truth lying, but frankly what you guys come up with is like shooting fish in a barrel.Beyond that Biden’s comment is taken out of context of when Iraq was going to hold a democratic parliamentary election.

I disagree with your assessment of failure. Terrorism is going to be an ongoing war for sometime. It is wacko-mole.Naming Islamic Radical Muslims would just feed into the narrative that ISIL would like and help them recruit and gain legitimacy as religious. I guess conservatives are of the same mind as the ISIL. Apparently, both of you think this is a religious war and not as a war against terrorist masquerading as religious."President Barack Obama said Wednesday that he refuses to describe the Islamic State and al Qaeda as groups fueled by “radical Islam” because the term grants them a religious legitimacy they don’t deserve.

“They are not religious leaders; they are terrorists,” Obama said during remarks at a White House event on countering violent extremism. “We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam.”

Obama said the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, also known as ISIS or ISIL, is “desperate” to portray itself as a group of holy warriors defending Islam. It counts on that legitimacy, he said, to propagate the idea that Western countries are at war with Islam, which is how it recruits and radicalizes young people. "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/18/obama-islamic-state-terrorists_n_6708610.html

One thing I do hope is that the Republican candidate for President runs on that narrative you propose and want to put American boots on the ground into war, saying Obama policies have failed. We will see who wins the election

Out of curiosity, do think this war with radical Islamic terrorist as you want to call them as a religious war between Islam and Christians?

My reply to you was a direct rebuttal of your statement " I could not find any instance of Obama saying we won the Iraq war. You make things up out of thin air.“ So I didn’t shift anything.Fair enough, my mistake. But hardly saying that we won the war nor Obama saying it. So what is the point? Besides things change all the time and when new facts present themselves I change my mind like the flip flop liberal that I am, but I doubt very few people believe we won the Iraq war. It is still going on.The Huntington post was mostly a quote of what Obama said, not a spin like the links Harleyquinn provided. I could have got that quote from anywhere. Just sayin’Biden utterly failed is definitely one way of looking at it but in a negotiation there is always more than one party. Your link to the Washington Post is to an opinion piece. Lots of people with opinions. You think that Biden just did not work hard enough to get the Iraq to remove the prosecution of American soldiers and that they would of caved with someone else. I doubt it but we have no proof just speculation. I do not look at it as a failure more it is what it is.

There is not enough radical Islamist Muslims to take over the world. They have a hard time governing the little land they can grab now.I am not specifically against saving people, but lets put our money where are mouth is and pay for any action instead of putting it on the national debt. If conservatives wanted to increase taxes to pay for the military action that would catch my attention that you were serious. When the public has to weight lives and money you have market forces at work to see if people really want to do what they talk aboutI do count myself among the infidels. Does this mean your in cahoots with them? Just joking.Look Conservatives believe in self-motivation and not looking for the government to solve problems. You guys could get together and pay for action. ISIL seems to have been motivated by their beliefs.

Thanks for your liberal spin! Keep defending the terrorists!

I’m just shocked that Ramiriez and the righties don’t understand their own native language; Orwell called it “Newspeak”.