Jen Sorensen for December 16, 2014

Exactly, Jen. Which, I’m wondering how many folks with PTSD from our “experiences”, like me, are furious with the Bush administration, the “anything to get ahead” weasels at CIA, and the idiots in the “public” that haven’t a clue.

I’ve seen things done to people that, well, it was revenge.

I’ve also interrogated people legitimately, and gotten sound information, and in criminal cases, admissions of guilt/confessions, even AFTER we administered Miranda warnings. It’s called intelligence gathering, and there are lots of effective interrogation techniques.

Well, there was a goal. The goal was to force elicit confessions information that would support lies that justified the invasion of Iraq.

Of course, the invasion of Iraq was the best thing the United States ever did. We have had lasting peace in the Middle East as a result.

In the real world, torture doesn’t yield any more useful information than you get from non-torture interrogation. You also cite two examples where torture wasn’t used. Apparently you resort to fantasy to defend the real-world use of torture.

Torture was not used to get that information about a possible beheading in Australia. It was muttering rather than a plot. 800 police were mobilised in the middle of the night, and there was one arrest, who was released shortly afterwards.

Thanks for the perspective, Jen.

What makes Ms. Sorenson believe that the Taliban/Al-Qaeda didn’t do those things to their captives ?

JmcaRice: You are reacting to the thought of Al Qadea doing those things to captives, and have just illustrated Ms. Sorensen’s point.

^ Harley, GW did not keep us safe. 9/11 happened on his watch.

It is really quite simple, it is about us and the country we aspire to have. Torture is unacceptable period. If we do it there is no real difference between us and all the other evils in the world.

When I studied world affairs in high school in the late seventies, the rabid anti-communist who taught the class gave lots of reasons why the US was superior. The only problem is all of the horrible things the USSR did, the reasons why we should hate them, have all been done by the US since 9/11.

Invade other countries to install a puppet government? Check.Torture? Check.Kidnap people off of the street and make them disappear? Check.Hold “enemies of the state” indefinitely without trial in gulags? Check.

Thank you. Jen.

I’ll repeat. Fact: 9/11 happened on GW’s watch and he was warned and ignored the warnings.

This has little to do with this ‘toon, but some of you might enjoy this..A few years ago, I saw a documentary movie about a group of American interrogators during WW2. The group was composed solely from many European (Jews, Slavs, Poles) refugees who left BEFORE Hitler started the war, and emigrated to the U.S. Most of these men and women spoke more than one language, some spoke 4 or 5! After the attack on Pearl, most enlisted in the armed forces. As the Normandy invasion was being planned, someone knew of these people, and most were located, and sent to their own training camp in Maryland.Their multple languages and familiarity with Europe would be invaluable in helping Allied forces locate certain factories, labs, stolen art and military intelligence. Several of these veterans were in this film, relating what, & how they successfully got information out of captured German officers..As the American & British armies drove through France and started into Germany itself, more & more prisoners were being taken. They found that the SS officers, despite being taken prisoner, still displayed their arrogance, and would not answer any questions. Well two of these guys, one a Pole, the other a Latvian, thought up their own ruse! Both spoke German, English and Russian. They set up another tent next to the American interrogation tent. They put a Soviet flag on a pole outside the tent. Behind the desk inside was a framed portrait of Stalin, and the Latvian dressed up in a Red Army officer’s uniform. As German SS officers were being led to the “American” tent, they passed the “Soviet” tent, with the Latvian/Russian, standing outside, grimly staring at him. Once in the American tent, the Pole would begin questioning. If the SS officer copped his “attitude”, and refused to cooperate, then the Pole/American would shuffle his papers together, and tell the SS guy that since he was not being of any help, his orders were to turn him over to the Russians! On every occasion these SS officers turned white, and pleaded, then spilled out everything they could tell! Even those hard-core nazis were terrified of the Russians!.(Does that count as “torture”?)

“Polar partition”?? I don’t think anyone here understands what that’s suppose to mean.You’re also repeating yourself and only addressing a side issue: the reason for the cost of the investigation (the “40 million”). The CIA did admit to hacking into the computer system used by the Senate Intelligence Committee; did that not actually happen on your planet? The subject of the report itself is the main issue; it appears to be true on all the main points, which will be further discussed and investigated

It’s a “Thought Experiment”, dude.Says so in the first sentence.

Our troops was treated far worse

This has happened in every war that any group of people have ever been in and it will happen in the next on we are in

The men that this was done to would kill a small girl just for reading or a woman for getting raped.

So if we did any of this I do not care and we should have done more.

Remember just this week they blew up a school bus killing 15 and killed about 140 in a school.

and people still can’t figure out where babies come from. quality of life, folks. quality of life.

Probably all lies, too.