I like the camera idea. At least video tends to be impartial. There is a big problem though, how do you store all that video for months or years? Even if they dump all the routine stuff there will still be terabytes that would have to be stored for a long time.
Michigan cop stops black man for walking with his hands in his pocketsBy Yahoo! Canada News | Daily Buzz – 3 hours ago
We’ve all heard the racial profiling cliché of ‘driving while black.’Apparently it’s been extended to ‘walking with your hands in your pockets while black.’Brandon McKean, an African-American man in Pontiac, Michigan, found that out the hard way while going for a stroll on U.S. Thanksgiving.During his walk, he was stopped by a white police officer asking what he was up to. McKean captured the ensuing conversation on video, which he uploaded to YouTube and Facebook.“You were walking by … you were making people nervous,” the unidentified officer says. “They said you had your hands in your pockets.”Whoa, stop the presses right there. His hands were in his pockets? No kidding that’s some suspicious behaviour. Particularly since the high temperature in Pontiac on the day the video was posted was 1 C.“Wow, walking by, having your hands in your pockets makes people nervous to call the police when it’s snowing outside?” McKean asks.“Yeah,” the officer responds calmly. After pulling out an iPhone to record his side of the conversation, he explains that “we do have a lot of robberies, so I’m just checking on you.”Clearly the lessons of Ferguson, Missouri are not being learned in other areas of the United States.https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/michigan-cop-stops-black-man-for-walking-with-his-hands-in-his-pockets-182341678.html
Now, have that same man stopped about a dozen times a year with the same excuse for the same walking. Do they do this to white men? My daughter’s boyfriend was handcuffed and thrown on to the hood of the police car for just coming out of the building. And it happens over and over and over and over again. So all this “they should just take it” nonsense is nonsense.
Maybe it was the AR-15 you had strapped to your back? Or the bloody bowie knife in your teeth? Or you were wearing red underwear on the outside of your clothes?
Back in the 60s I was hassled many times by the police. I had long hair and wore blue jeans, etc. I remember talking about it with black friends, who said, Yeah, but you can cut your hair. I certainly saw a lot of young black men hassled by the cops, and the safe response was more or less, “Yes, boss, anything you say, boss.” I was also arrested several times for political activities, and once when I was arrested in Washington, D. C., I was worked over by two cops in a back room. No permanent injuries, but it wasn’t fun. I think that the situation has improved since then, but that doesn’t mean that young black men don’t get hassled more than they deserve.
I, and most cops, especially “good” ones, welcome cameras, like the dash cameras that have for some time been proving in the vast majority of “contacts”, the bad guys are being bad, and the cops are doing their jobs. Sometimes these cams have shown the officers even being killed in the line of duty, as a friend of my son’s was a couple months ago- hit by a drunk, while making a “routine” car stop on another one.
The electronics have improved a lot with “go-pros” etc, and of course if there’s nothing needed for evidence, they just wipe, not store those “non-event” routine stops after the court dates have passed. However, our old “contact cards” we filled out years ago told us if someone had been stopped, and released with only a warning on the first contact. The cards were kept, and if the same person was stopped for the same offense a second time, THEN it was a signal that “fool me once” was out the window the second time for repeat offenders. Cameras could do the same.
Yes, there ARE bad cop. But officers contact a lot more bad perps than your average civilian does, and it DOES temper their assessments of situations. And btw, it isn’t the color of skin, but the movements of eyes, facial expressions, and body language, that tip them off, not even “hoodies” are necessarily a warning sign, given where, when, and how, beign worn.
I remember those days well. I was in New York during the Newark riots, I was in Detroit the night after Dr. King was killed. I was in New York again after Kent State. I was unable to be in Chicago for the Democratic convention, for one reason and another, but I worked closely with a lot of people who were there, and I heard all about it. Of course a civil society needs police, but my experience of those days left me with some feeling that all too often the laws are written and the police act to protect a particular part of society, not society as a whole.
And yet, a white guy can walk around with an assault rifle and point it at people, and the response is, “Have a nice day, citizen.” They’re just never “thugs”. (The new N-word.)
“… so beloved by the Reich Wing.”.Despite what you’ve been told to believe, Nazi’s were quite leftist. They supported:.Universal single payer healthcareAbortion on demandNationalization of industriesViewing the state as religionThe Nazi’s would have sided with Israel’s enemies, like Democrats..Their biggest similarity to America’s “RIGHT wing” is a love for a big military.
Note: Hitler hated Communists, and the first people sent to the camps were trade unionists. Fascism is about corporate monopolies running the country, and we’re almost there.
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member over 9 years ago
I like the camera idea. At least video tends to be impartial. There is a big problem though, how do you store all that video for months or years? Even if they dump all the routine stuff there will still be terabytes that would have to be stored for a long time.
lonecat over 9 years ago
Michigan cop stops black man for walking with his hands in his pocketsBy Yahoo! Canada News | Daily Buzz – 3 hours ago
We’ve all heard the racial profiling cliché of ‘driving while black.’Apparently it’s been extended to ‘walking with your hands in your pockets while black.’Brandon McKean, an African-American man in Pontiac, Michigan, found that out the hard way while going for a stroll on U.S. Thanksgiving.During his walk, he was stopped by a white police officer asking what he was up to. McKean captured the ensuing conversation on video, which he uploaded to YouTube and Facebook.“You were walking by … you were making people nervous,” the unidentified officer says. “They said you had your hands in your pockets.”Whoa, stop the presses right there. His hands were in his pockets? No kidding that’s some suspicious behaviour. Particularly since the high temperature in Pontiac on the day the video was posted was 1 C.“Wow, walking by, having your hands in your pockets makes people nervous to call the police when it’s snowing outside?” McKean asks.“Yeah,” the officer responds calmly. After pulling out an iPhone to record his side of the conversation, he explains that “we do have a lot of robberies, so I’m just checking on you.”Clearly the lessons of Ferguson, Missouri are not being learned in other areas of the United States.https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/michigan-cop-stops-black-man-for-walking-with-his-hands-in-his-pockets-182341678.html
Darsan54 Premium Member over 9 years ago
Now, have that same man stopped about a dozen times a year with the same excuse for the same walking. Do they do this to white men? My daughter’s boyfriend was handcuffed and thrown on to the hood of the police car for just coming out of the building. And it happens over and over and over and over again. So all this “they should just take it” nonsense is nonsense.
Darsan54 Premium Member over 9 years ago
Maybe it was the AR-15 you had strapped to your back? Or the bloody bowie knife in your teeth? Or you were wearing red underwear on the outside of your clothes?
goweeder over 9 years ago
Now I have to add to my dream, “\someday we’ll all be blended.” The new addition will be " and harbor no hatred."
lonecat over 9 years ago
Back in the 60s I was hassled many times by the police. I had long hair and wore blue jeans, etc. I remember talking about it with black friends, who said, Yeah, but you can cut your hair. I certainly saw a lot of young black men hassled by the cops, and the safe response was more or less, “Yes, boss, anything you say, boss.” I was also arrested several times for political activities, and once when I was arrested in Washington, D. C., I was worked over by two cops in a back room. No permanent injuries, but it wasn’t fun. I think that the situation has improved since then, but that doesn’t mean that young black men don’t get hassled more than they deserve.
d_legendary1 over 9 years ago
More like dark folk should be okay with racial profiling since us caucasians need to make sure they’re legit. Its for their own good.
hippogriff over 9 years ago
Clark Kent: Glad you could find a recent example! How old were you back then, you might have been in another target demographic.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
I, and most cops, especially “good” ones, welcome cameras, like the dash cameras that have for some time been proving in the vast majority of “contacts”, the bad guys are being bad, and the cops are doing their jobs. Sometimes these cams have shown the officers even being killed in the line of duty, as a friend of my son’s was a couple months ago- hit by a drunk, while making a “routine” car stop on another one.
The electronics have improved a lot with “go-pros” etc, and of course if there’s nothing needed for evidence, they just wipe, not store those “non-event” routine stops after the court dates have passed. However, our old “contact cards” we filled out years ago told us if someone had been stopped, and released with only a warning on the first contact. The cards were kept, and if the same person was stopped for the same offense a second time, THEN it was a signal that “fool me once” was out the window the second time for repeat offenders. Cameras could do the same.
Yes, there ARE bad cop. But officers contact a lot more bad perps than your average civilian does, and it DOES temper their assessments of situations. And btw, it isn’t the color of skin, but the movements of eyes, facial expressions, and body language, that tip them off, not even “hoodies” are necessarily a warning sign, given where, when, and how, beign worn.
lonecat over 9 years ago
I remember those days well. I was in New York during the Newark riots, I was in Detroit the night after Dr. King was killed. I was in New York again after Kent State. I was unable to be in Chicago for the Democratic convention, for one reason and another, but I worked closely with a lot of people who were there, and I heard all about it. Of course a civil society needs police, but my experience of those days left me with some feeling that all too often the laws are written and the police act to protect a particular part of society, not society as a whole.
kaffekup over 9 years ago
And yet, a white guy can walk around with an assault rifle and point it at people, and the response is, “Have a nice day, citizen.” They’re just never “thugs”. (The new N-word.)
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
^Or wear body armor on a bridge, aiming that rifle at federal officers doing their job?
echoraven over 9 years ago
“… so beloved by the Reich Wing.”.Despite what you’ve been told to believe, Nazi’s were quite leftist. They supported:.Universal single payer healthcareAbortion on demandNationalization of industriesViewing the state as religionThe Nazi’s would have sided with Israel’s enemies, like Democrats..Their biggest similarity to America’s “RIGHT wing” is a love for a big military.
cj brouillette jr Premium Member over 9 years ago
The acronym NAZI stood for the National Socialist German Workers Party. I know facts are annoying but they are what they are not what you dream.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
Note: Hitler hated Communists, and the first people sent to the camps were trade unionists. Fascism is about corporate monopolies running the country, and we’re almost there.