There is no perfect way to do the death penalty, but this bleeding heart sentiment completely discounts the lives of the victims, makes the perpetrator all important and jeopardizes every other person in society for their sake. It’s as much baloney as anything else.
I can understand the sentiment that the death penalty is murder. I don’t agree with it but I understand it.
But once society agrees that it is an acceptable punishment for horrific crimes I don’t understand why lethal injection is so hard. Let’s not forget the kinds of monsters that we are putting to death.
If someone wants to propose a review of the death penalty application and impose additional requirements to make sure the state does due diligence before convicting criminals – They have my support. Not only do we read about men being executed wrongly. We also read about men serving horribly long sentences in wretched prisons after wrongly being convicted.
Our society needs to return to a mentality of let 50 guilty men go free rather then punish one innocent man as the founding fathers believed. Instead, we have juries, judges, and prosecutors all interested in punishing someone rather then the right one. If we were more focused on only punishing those who have really committed crimes against society we wouldn’t be having such an agonized debate over whether life in prison or death is the right answer.
Last evening I had to have the vet come out to our farm and put one of our old dogs to sleep. He put a needle in her front leg. Injected some blue liquid and in less then 30 seconds her heart had stopped and her breathing ceased. It seemed like a lot longer then 30 seconds for me because she was dearly loved but I know it happened very quickly and I saw no sign that she suffered at all.
Knowing right from wrong I have been vehemently against the death penalty in general since I was a child. That being said, if capital punishment is going to be utilized in this country, and all doubt can be removed as to the person’s guilt or innocence, as it appears was done in this case, then I see no reason why we should care that the convicted murder suffers a little pain. I don’t think the punishment should be sadistically cruel, we are a better society than that, but I also don’t see why we should care if the murder suffers minor pain and discomfort, they didn’t care that their victim suffered extreme pain and discomfort.
One excellent example of why I am against capital punishment is Cameron Todd Willingham, the Texas man who was executed in Texas in 2004 for allegedly setting a fire that killed his three young daughters. It seems that the “expert” used in his trial used disproven quackery in testifying about the fire that killed his family. According to the Innocence Project “Since 2004, further evidence in the case has led to the inescapable conclusion that Willingham DID NOT SET THE FIRE for which he was executed. The Innocence Project is admittedly a potentially biased source, but its position has been substantiated many times over by other sources. The bottom line is INNOCENT people get executed, especially in gung-ho “let’s murder ‘em” places like this. And when that victim is proven innocent you simply can’t dig them up and reanimate them and give them back their lives. It is my opinion that if there is ANY doubt whatsoever that a person is not guilty then the execution should be stayed until all doubt can be removed. And I also believe that these cases should be expedited within the courts.
I am still against capital punishment, but I am against this cr@p about “cruel and unusual” punishment giving the murderer more rights and concern than their victims. Let it go far enough with the “cruel and unusual” and there will be no incarceration at all. Well there’s the pain of the pin prick for the IV. Okay, we’ll use a local anesthetic first. Nope that cotton swab was cold against the skin, that was uncomfortable. And so it goes until the mere act of segregating the vile criminals from the civilized society is deemed cruel on an emotional level. GET OVER IT PEOPLE! If we are going to have murderers in our society and we are going to have state sanctioned murder as a punishment, then we are going to have to accept that the murderer is going to suffer some discomfort, but at least accept that they suffer far less than their victim did.
Either argue to abolish the whole death penalty thing or get over the fact that death is not always a painless experience. If we are going to do it, as a society we should be more concerned with the efficiency of the deed than with the comfort of the murderer. After all, isn’t the major whine about this that the deed was botched, it wasn’t efficient? “Ooohhh, these shackles are too tight.” Tough luck, you won’t suffer any lasting damage from the shackles. If the prisoner is not restrained then the staff could be injured. The comfort of the prisoner should be a consideration, but a minor one.
@Charlie555 – Would you please take your anti-abortion diatribe somewhere else. It is my understanding from my Heidelberg catechism that man is conceived and born in sin. Which is why we need Christ to wash away our sin and cannot get into heaven on our own good works.
The same Christians that will tell you that you NEED Christ to get into heaven will point to an abortion and claim that the innocent are being killed.
But back on point – We are talking about the death penalty. The anti-abortionists are meeting down the hall shaking fake fetuses at young women going into planned parenthood (regardless of why they are there).
If you insist on chemical executions, use HEROIN, in a massive overdose, and they’ll go out with a smile on their face. In the case of drug dealers who’ve committed murders in relation to their “business dealings”, what could be more appropriate? of course, junkies would just love the high.
the guy killed a recent high school graduate…an innocent girl…buy beating her shooting her and then burying her alive…it took her HOURS to die…while he was torturing her…who gives a sh^% if he took a few minutes to die?
Stantis thinks it’s clever to put a scythe in Justice’s hand, forgetting that the traditional Justice already carries a sword. Lots of other people forget that too.
“The government has no right to murder.?” Then neither does those that murder others. It is punishment administered by the legal government for the crime committed by people that murder others.
dsbuerhaus almost 10 years ago
There is no perfect way to do the death penalty, but this bleeding heart sentiment completely discounts the lives of the victims, makes the perpetrator all important and jeopardizes every other person in society for their sake. It’s as much baloney as anything else.
sw10mm almost 10 years ago
Here’s a good idea, let’s let the libs talk to them. That will make them see the error of their ways and they’ll become model citizens.
Mephistopheles almost 10 years ago
I can understand the sentiment that the death penalty is murder. I don’t agree with it but I understand it.
But once society agrees that it is an acceptable punishment for horrific crimes I don’t understand why lethal injection is so hard. Let’s not forget the kinds of monsters that we are putting to death.
If someone wants to propose a review of the death penalty application and impose additional requirements to make sure the state does due diligence before convicting criminals – They have my support. Not only do we read about men being executed wrongly. We also read about men serving horribly long sentences in wretched prisons after wrongly being convicted.
Our society needs to return to a mentality of let 50 guilty men go free rather then punish one innocent man as the founding fathers believed. Instead, we have juries, judges, and prosecutors all interested in punishing someone rather then the right one. If we were more focused on only punishing those who have really committed crimes against society we wouldn’t be having such an agonized debate over whether life in prison or death is the right answer.
Last evening I had to have the vet come out to our farm and put one of our old dogs to sleep. He put a needle in her front leg. Injected some blue liquid and in less then 30 seconds her heart had stopped and her breathing ceased. It seemed like a lot longer then 30 seconds for me because she was dearly loved but I know it happened very quickly and I saw no sign that she suffered at all.
BiasedModerator almost 10 years ago
Knowing right from wrong I have been vehemently against the death penalty in general since I was a child. That being said, if capital punishment is going to be utilized in this country, and all doubt can be removed as to the person’s guilt or innocence, as it appears was done in this case, then I see no reason why we should care that the convicted murder suffers a little pain. I don’t think the punishment should be sadistically cruel, we are a better society than that, but I also don’t see why we should care if the murder suffers minor pain and discomfort, they didn’t care that their victim suffered extreme pain and discomfort.
One excellent example of why I am against capital punishment is Cameron Todd Willingham, the Texas man who was executed in Texas in 2004 for allegedly setting a fire that killed his three young daughters. It seems that the “expert” used in his trial used disproven quackery in testifying about the fire that killed his family. According to the Innocence Project “Since 2004, further evidence in the case has led to the inescapable conclusion that Willingham DID NOT SET THE FIRE for which he was executed. The Innocence Project is admittedly a potentially biased source, but its position has been substantiated many times over by other sources. The bottom line is INNOCENT people get executed, especially in gung-ho “let’s murder ‘em” places like this. And when that victim is proven innocent you simply can’t dig them up and reanimate them and give them back their lives. It is my opinion that if there is ANY doubt whatsoever that a person is not guilty then the execution should be stayed until all doubt can be removed. And I also believe that these cases should be expedited within the courts.
I am still against capital punishment, but I am against this cr@p about “cruel and unusual” punishment giving the murderer more rights and concern than their victims. Let it go far enough with the “cruel and unusual” and there will be no incarceration at all. Well there’s the pain of the pin prick for the IV. Okay, we’ll use a local anesthetic first. Nope that cotton swab was cold against the skin, that was uncomfortable. And so it goes until the mere act of segregating the vile criminals from the civilized society is deemed cruel on an emotional level. GET OVER IT PEOPLE! If we are going to have murderers in our society and we are going to have state sanctioned murder as a punishment, then we are going to have to accept that the murderer is going to suffer some discomfort, but at least accept that they suffer far less than their victim did.
Either argue to abolish the whole death penalty thing or get over the fact that death is not always a painless experience. If we are going to do it, as a society we should be more concerned with the efficiency of the deed than with the comfort of the murderer. After all, isn’t the major whine about this that the deed was botched, it wasn’t efficient? “Ooohhh, these shackles are too tight.” Tough luck, you won’t suffer any lasting damage from the shackles. If the prisoner is not restrained then the staff could be injured. The comfort of the prisoner should be a consideration, but a minor one.
Mephistopheles almost 10 years ago
@Charlie555 – Would you please take your anti-abortion diatribe somewhere else. It is my understanding from my Heidelberg catechism that man is conceived and born in sin. Which is why we need Christ to wash away our sin and cannot get into heaven on our own good works.
The same Christians that will tell you that you NEED Christ to get into heaven will point to an abortion and claim that the innocent are being killed.
But back on point – We are talking about the death penalty. The anti-abortionists are meeting down the hall shaking fake fetuses at young women going into planned parenthood (regardless of why they are there).
Dtroutma almost 10 years ago
If you insist on chemical executions, use HEROIN, in a massive overdose, and they’ll go out with a smile on their face. In the case of drug dealers who’ve committed murders in relation to their “business dealings”, what could be more appropriate? of course, junkies would just love the high.
eddodt almost 10 years ago
the guy killed a recent high school graduate…an innocent girl…buy beating her shooting her and then burying her alive…it took her HOURS to die…while he was torturing her…who gives a sh^% if he took a few minutes to die?
Stan King almost 10 years ago
Stantis thinks it’s clever to put a scythe in Justice’s hand, forgetting that the traditional Justice already carries a sword. Lots of other people forget that too.
BoxCar66 almost 10 years ago
“The government has no right to murder.?” Then neither does those that murder others. It is punishment administered by the legal government for the crime committed by people that murder others.
SABRSteve almost 10 years ago
You should check out the 14th Amendment: …shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…
Lamberger almost 10 years ago
>The government has no right to murder.
True. But it has the right to execute.
kaffekup almost 10 years ago
Yes, that’s it, sign convicted murderers up for Obamacare and they’re guaranteed to die quickly!
Pauleytee almost 10 years ago
It’s not murder. The murderer murdered. This is justice.
Pauleytee almost 10 years ago
Easy. If you purposely take an innocent life, you will surrender your life.