CBS showed video of men with assault rifles on a bridge and in the brush surrounding the Land Management officials. The law enforcement agents had their standard issue 9 mm and shotguns. If men were aiming guns at law officers in any given city of the USA, they would be arrested for obstruction of justice and other issues. The Land Management people backed down rather than die, or kill. The militia people say they won. What did they win? Perhaps the way land is managed in Nevada is wrong, but using guns on police and rangers is, in my opinion, sedition at least, and perhaps even treason. Mr. Bundy should have gone through the court system and/or through his senators and congressmen to change the system. Those who pointed guns and threatened the law officers should be arrested.Fox news did seem disappointed that no one died.Respectfully,C.
Thank you for the additional information, Silmenume. I confess to having a limited number of sources and had not been aware of the extra law enforcement personnel or their weapons. CBS only showed the group of police under the bridge.If, as you say, the federal gov’t failed to give appropriate time for Mr. Bundy to respond in the courts, and if they acted in haste to seize Mr. Bundy’s cattle in an effort to have the land used for other purposed without proper public discussion or discourse on the matter, then a judge should have been found who would have filed an injunction blocking these actions. The federal gov’t, if your info is correct, is in the wrong and needs to stand back and continue using the courts. That said…If the IRS seizes my property because of an error, I do not have the right to kill anyone. I can take them to court, and if found to be in the right, I can sue for damages and harm done, and perhaps even file a civil suit against the individuals who failed to do their job properly.There seems to be an opinion that had the police/rangers moved in to take the cattle, the private citizens with weapons would have had a right to kill people. The people who were protesting had the right to do so and to be arrested for civil disobedience just as people protesting in other venues have done. As private citizens, they had the right to go to jail for their convictions and be heard in court and let public opinion and the courts decide who was right.Harry Reid is an idiot and a cancer in the Senate. I have said from the first days I began posting that Pelosi, Reid, Boehnor, and McConnell are the leaders of the two party oligarchy ruining our nation. If he is indeed part of what you claim, I hope there is a hearing on his behavior and whether h e should be censured.Once again, I do appreciate you expanding on this story and I will look for the video you suggest. I still believe that those who aimed guns at Federal and state agents were criminal, but I believe that if you are right, those agents may have been following unlawful orders.Except for your point of my not knowing enough about the gov’t and Mr. Bundy’s conflict, I do take issue with your final paragraph. I have no blood lust, and we’d have to debate further for you to make an informed decision about my knowledge of history and the Constitution.You presented a well reasoned and respectfully presented argument from which I learned some things. I wish you had ended it as well. I based my comment about some in the media seeing to be disappointed there wasn’t bloodshed based on the tone of some reporters I heard and comments made on news shows. I wish they had spent more time covering the full story instead of sensationalizing the drama.Thank you again for the reply. I benefited from most of it.Respectfully,C.
The Daily Show is satire based on real news, Tigger.The sequence of which Truist speaks has Mr. Hannity defending Mr. Bundy’s rights to disobey the police, a right he may actually have if Silmenume is right, but is then shown attacking people with whom Mr. Hannity doesn’t agree for their own acts of law breaking. Mr. Stewart is at his best when he shows his targets, conservatives and liberals alike, saying one thing now, when in the past, they said the exact opposite. For instance, Mr. Obama speaking against the NSA surveillance program in 2008, but talking in support of it now. It would be better to compare The Daily Show to the editorial cartoons to which we comment. Satire addressing the current events of our time. And just as these cartoons call out the hypocrisy of our public figures, Mr. Stewart does the same.He may be a comedian, but that doesn’t mean he’s not telling the truth about some things.Respectfully,C.
what got lost in the solar thing, is the number of test wells for oil and gas around gold butte recently. for twenty years nobody cared, now they do. hmmm…
The reason that Jon Stewart’s riffs on the news are so funny is that he’s got the facts on his side, and Hannity doesn’t. When did Fox News ever care about truth? It’s about messaging, not truth.
Been dealing with these Nevada idiots and others of the “sagebrush rebel” and other movements since the 1960’s. They’ve never bothered to read the Constitution, or the grants for their states from when they joined the union. Bundy is just another in a long line of thieves, liars, and crazies. Which, the true crazies include that Bundy backer on the bridge with a rifle and body armor, it was the “protestors” who were heavily armed, not the BLM rangers who only used tasers.
Ted Bundy was a better example of these guys “morality base”. Tim McVeigh was a perfect representation of their “patriotism”. Fox News has taken on the role of being their publicist, and even many of the “right wingers” in the media have recognized the law, and lies they tell, it IS interesting.
Of course, having the Constitution on your side is really not all that much help under Obama.The only part most of them like is the Fifth Amendment, for some odd reason.
National Guard, US Army, United States Marines? Any chance any one or all of our military personnel could round up these guys without killing them too much?
“The Daily Show is Fake News it is not Real News Jon Stewart is a Comedian and just Like SNL’s Weekend Update, he makes fun of The News”.No tigger, wrong again..The Daily Show does not make fun of the news, they make fun of the faux news crew and others. They point out the problems with the lack of facts presented. Turns out the Daily Show is a much more accurate and factual source of news then “fox”.
Jon Stewart had a FAR more accurate summation of the Bundy incident than Faux, of course, but also more accurate than many of the other networks. Both he and Colbert to an outstanding job of providing ACTUAL NEWS, as comedy, than the joke Faux calls news.
chazandru almost 10 years ago
CBS showed video of men with assault rifles on a bridge and in the brush surrounding the Land Management officials. The law enforcement agents had their standard issue 9 mm and shotguns. If men were aiming guns at law officers in any given city of the USA, they would be arrested for obstruction of justice and other issues. The Land Management people backed down rather than die, or kill. The militia people say they won. What did they win? Perhaps the way land is managed in Nevada is wrong, but using guns on police and rangers is, in my opinion, sedition at least, and perhaps even treason. Mr. Bundy should have gone through the court system and/or through his senators and congressmen to change the system. Those who pointed guns and threatened the law officers should be arrested.Fox news did seem disappointed that no one died.Respectfully,C.
retpost almost 10 years ago
Just send in the IRS; they will get the money owed the USA.
cmsears almost 10 years ago
Guess if you wear a cowboy hat and cheat the government Hanity will be on your side.
chazandru almost 10 years ago
Thank you for the additional information, Silmenume. I confess to having a limited number of sources and had not been aware of the extra law enforcement personnel or their weapons. CBS only showed the group of police under the bridge.If, as you say, the federal gov’t failed to give appropriate time for Mr. Bundy to respond in the courts, and if they acted in haste to seize Mr. Bundy’s cattle in an effort to have the land used for other purposed without proper public discussion or discourse on the matter, then a judge should have been found who would have filed an injunction blocking these actions. The federal gov’t, if your info is correct, is in the wrong and needs to stand back and continue using the courts. That said…If the IRS seizes my property because of an error, I do not have the right to kill anyone. I can take them to court, and if found to be in the right, I can sue for damages and harm done, and perhaps even file a civil suit against the individuals who failed to do their job properly.There seems to be an opinion that had the police/rangers moved in to take the cattle, the private citizens with weapons would have had a right to kill people. The people who were protesting had the right to do so and to be arrested for civil disobedience just as people protesting in other venues have done. As private citizens, they had the right to go to jail for their convictions and be heard in court and let public opinion and the courts decide who was right.Harry Reid is an idiot and a cancer in the Senate. I have said from the first days I began posting that Pelosi, Reid, Boehnor, and McConnell are the leaders of the two party oligarchy ruining our nation. If he is indeed part of what you claim, I hope there is a hearing on his behavior and whether h e should be censured.Once again, I do appreciate you expanding on this story and I will look for the video you suggest. I still believe that those who aimed guns at Federal and state agents were criminal, but I believe that if you are right, those agents may have been following unlawful orders.Except for your point of my not knowing enough about the gov’t and Mr. Bundy’s conflict, I do take issue with your final paragraph. I have no blood lust, and we’d have to debate further for you to make an informed decision about my knowledge of history and the Constitution.You presented a well reasoned and respectfully presented argument from which I learned some things. I wish you had ended it as well. I based my comment about some in the media seeing to be disappointed there wasn’t bloodshed based on the tone of some reporters I heard and comments made on news shows. I wish they had spent more time covering the full story instead of sensationalizing the drama.Thank you again for the reply. I benefited from most of it.Respectfully,C.
chazandru almost 10 years ago
The Daily Show is satire based on real news, Tigger.The sequence of which Truist speaks has Mr. Hannity defending Mr. Bundy’s rights to disobey the police, a right he may actually have if Silmenume is right, but is then shown attacking people with whom Mr. Hannity doesn’t agree for their own acts of law breaking. Mr. Stewart is at his best when he shows his targets, conservatives and liberals alike, saying one thing now, when in the past, they said the exact opposite. For instance, Mr. Obama speaking against the NSA surveillance program in 2008, but talking in support of it now. It would be better to compare The Daily Show to the editorial cartoons to which we comment. Satire addressing the current events of our time. And just as these cartoons call out the hypocrisy of our public figures, Mr. Stewart does the same.He may be a comedian, but that doesn’t mean he’s not telling the truth about some things.Respectfully,C.
chazandru almost 10 years ago
Thank you, Masterkrain. I found your submission to these topic very informative.Sincerely,C.
louieglutz almost 10 years ago
what got lost in the solar thing, is the number of test wells for oil and gas around gold butte recently. for twenty years nobody cared, now they do. hmmm…
ARodney almost 10 years ago
The reason that Jon Stewart’s riffs on the news are so funny is that he’s got the facts on his side, and Hannity doesn’t. When did Fox News ever care about truth? It’s about messaging, not truth.
Dtroutma almost 10 years ago
Been dealing with these Nevada idiots and others of the “sagebrush rebel” and other movements since the 1960’s. They’ve never bothered to read the Constitution, or the grants for their states from when they joined the union. Bundy is just another in a long line of thieves, liars, and crazies. Which, the true crazies include that Bundy backer on the bridge with a rifle and body armor, it was the “protestors” who were heavily armed, not the BLM rangers who only used tasers.
Ted Bundy was a better example of these guys “morality base”. Tim McVeigh was a perfect representation of their “patriotism”. Fox News has taken on the role of being their publicist, and even many of the “right wingers” in the media have recognized the law, and lies they tell, it IS interesting.
braindead Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Boy, the Fox “news” “journalists” sure know a lot about the “constitution”.
danielse almost 10 years ago
Of course, having the Constitution on your side is really not all that much help under Obama.The only part most of them like is the Fifth Amendment, for some odd reason.
cjr53 almost 10 years ago
National Guard, US Army, United States Marines? Any chance any one or all of our military personnel could round up these guys without killing them too much?
cjr53 almost 10 years ago
Navy Seals?
cjr53 almost 10 years ago
“The Daily Show is Fake News it is not Real News Jon Stewart is a Comedian and just Like SNL’s Weekend Update, he makes fun of The News”.No tigger, wrong again..The Daily Show does not make fun of the news, they make fun of the faux news crew and others. They point out the problems with the lack of facts presented. Turns out the Daily Show is a much more accurate and factual source of news then “fox”.
Dtroutma almost 10 years ago
Jon Stewart had a FAR more accurate summation of the Bundy incident than Faux, of course, but also more accurate than many of the other networks. Both he and Colbert to an outstanding job of providing ACTUAL NEWS, as comedy, than the joke Faux calls news.
SABRSteve almost 10 years ago
If Bundy were black there would be no problem.