In Venezuela Chavez and the current president got elected by fraudulent means, people voting in two or more ballot stations, some how dead people showed up to vote, and minors were also voting; of course no photo ID was required. On the other hand Canada requires every voter to have a photo ID, either a drivers licence, a passport or a citizenship card, and if all is lost a health card can be used as a last resort. How much does Canada suffers for the requirement of photo ID, Nothing. I just don’t see what’s the big deal, we all need photo ID for everything else, why not voting. The opportunity for fraud is greater without Photo ID.
When I vote in Ontario, I walk up the street to the middle school and I go into the auditorium and I say to the elections official, “Hi, Ellen,” and she says, “Hi, Lonecat.” She asks for ID, and I show her either my driver’s license or my ID from where I work — it used to be that a utility bill to your address would do, but I don’t think that counts any more. She checks my name off the list (we don’t have to register, that’s done for us automatically). I go over to the voting booth and I’m out in about 3 minutes. There are voting stations all over, and I’ve never seen a line of more than four or five people. Anyone who forgets to bring ID can sign a form and cast a vote, which is counted unless it is challenged. Or if someone else can vouch for you, you can vote. “Hey, Ellen, that’s Martk, he lives next door to me, I can vouch for him.” I’ve never seen that happen, but I think it’s within the rules. Ellen knows most everyone in the neighborhood, anyway. We don’t seem to have much trouble with fraudulent voting. We have had some trouble, however, with (dare I say it) Conservatives phoning up people with incorrect information about when and where to vote — there are some cases going through the courts right now.
SKJAM! Premium Member about 10 years ago
It is a question worth thinking about—if you insist on photo ID to stop fraudulent voters, won’t they just obtain fraudulent photo ID?
canFunny about 10 years ago
In Venezuela Chavez and the current president got elected by fraudulent means, people voting in two or more ballot stations, some how dead people showed up to vote, and minors were also voting; of course no photo ID was required. On the other hand Canada requires every voter to have a photo ID, either a drivers licence, a passport or a citizenship card, and if all is lost a health card can be used as a last resort. How much does Canada suffers for the requirement of photo ID, Nothing. I just don’t see what’s the big deal, we all need photo ID for everything else, why not voting. The opportunity for fraud is greater without Photo ID.
cjr53 about 10 years ago
If the voter id card is issued at the time of registration, and is at no charge, then no problem.
lonecat about 10 years ago
When I vote in Ontario, I walk up the street to the middle school and I go into the auditorium and I say to the elections official, “Hi, Ellen,” and she says, “Hi, Lonecat.” She asks for ID, and I show her either my driver’s license or my ID from where I work — it used to be that a utility bill to your address would do, but I don’t think that counts any more. She checks my name off the list (we don’t have to register, that’s done for us automatically). I go over to the voting booth and I’m out in about 3 minutes. There are voting stations all over, and I’ve never seen a line of more than four or five people. Anyone who forgets to bring ID can sign a form and cast a vote, which is counted unless it is challenged. Or if someone else can vouch for you, you can vote. “Hey, Ellen, that’s Martk, he lives next door to me, I can vouch for him.” I’ve never seen that happen, but I think it’s within the rules. Ellen knows most everyone in the neighborhood, anyway. We don’t seem to have much trouble with fraudulent voting. We have had some trouble, however, with (dare I say it) Conservatives phoning up people with incorrect information about when and where to vote — there are some cases going through the courts right now.
Jason Allen about 10 years ago
So we should get separate fake IDs for each time we want to vote? Good tip.
pirate227 about 10 years ago
“A simple link to any actual proof that " America uses voter ID to stop people from voting." would be nice. Can you produce it?"
GOP Official Resigns After Saying Purpose Of Voter ID Is To Suppress Votes Of Democrats, ‘Lazy Blacks’
louieglutz about 10 years ago
chicago, illinois.
lonecat about 10 years ago
Do the plans in the US include photo ID such as a driver’s license? Or is there some special ID required?
lonecat about 10 years ago
I have no objection to asking people for ID before they vote — my objection is to special ID that costs extra.