Matt Bors for February 26, 2014

The beauty of the free-market.

Odd you bring it up; I just read there was one in London: Wong Kei It even had a fanbase and they called themselves “Wonkies”[sic] or something like it. However, they apparently revamping and becoming politer once they reopen.

Durgin Park in Boston is famous for insulting people; their waitresses are carefully selected to be hilariously snarky. It goes back a LONG way there.Arizona, on the other hand — no. Just no.

A lifestyle choice should not have to be forcibly catered to. That is what this is really about..At the risk of invoking Godwin’s Law, two examples:.A family dressed as Nazi’s (uniforms, kids as Hitler Youth, the whole nine yards) come into a Jewish Kosher bakery and want a cake made with swastika, SS runes, and “Happy Birthday Adolph” along with “Work will make you free” on it.Should they be able to refuse to do so?.A gay couple come in and ask for a wedding cake for their gay union in a bakery run by Muslims, devout Christians, or other owners that object to gay marriage..Now, the difference is if either of the two above individually came in looking no different than any other customer and simply ordered a cake or other product with nothing specific to their lifestyle choices (and both being a Nazi and having a gay marriage are lifestyle choices… and no, for the slow, Progressive, and easily offended, I am NOT comparing the two in any way, shape or form both are CHOICES in lifestyle) then the business should not be able to refuse service. But, they should be able to on the basis of choices a customer makes about their lifestyle that are found personally offensive..A business can refuse to serve a customer that smokes (actual act) in their establishment.A business can refuse service if a customer lacks appropriate attire (no shirt, no shoes no service).This is no different but the Left and the LGBT community want to force every and all businesses to accept that lifestyle choice(s). That is wrong.

Gay may or may not be a choice. Getting married IS.

It is not about what you are allowed to do or believe in yourself, it is all about imposing your beliefs upon other people.

No the owner couldn’t. But, a couple coming in for specific items related to a specific event that is in conflict with the owner’s beliefs is a different matter.What if it was a Muslim bakery that was refusing to make any items for any other religion’s ceremonies from a Catholic confirmation, to a bar mitzva, to a Christian wedding because their religious beliefs are that doing that is a sin in Islam?.And I agree on your last point. It is probably moot. The tyranny of the Progressive Left and its intolerance of opposing ideas has won in the mass hysteria media.

I agree in at least principle with your sentiment Adrian. If only the world were that simple. Truth is we all have to tolerate the intolerant and jerks to the degree they exist. I think the best we can do is find a happy medium.I do think it is wrong to deny people equal rights on the basis of inate qualities (as opposed to their personal choices) but I also think it is wrong to impose personal choice on others simply because as an individual you feel some need to validate them.

If I went to a GLBT owned t-shirt shop and asked them to create a number of Anti-GLBT marriage shirts (not filled with hate speech, and just because I would be anti marriage does not mean I hate them) for an event, what do you think would happen? What should happen is that they be allowed to politely refuse to work for me as it offends them. This law will not be about not being able to eat in a restaurant, it is about being able to stand by your convictions and beliefs in a non-threatening and non-violent way. the same right I would like to see everybody have.

One example, please. Just one.

No it isn’t. There are literally millions and mililons of religous people who don’t think it’s right to discriminate based on someone’s sexual orientation. You are judging them all based on a small percentage, which frankly is idiotic. It would be as if I judged all non-religous people as intolerant based on your one comment. Please stop making blanket comments about groups you despise. Or maybe you own the restaurant above. I don’t know.

So….the other option is to let the MILITANT GAYS sue us and put us out of business because I politely say I won’t take photos at their wedding?? Nice…option…

How am I deluded? If the Progressive Left will not tolerate or accept any view other than their own and is willing to use the force of government to make that happen it limits choice.If the Left, using “speech codes” common on many university campuses today, restricts speech rather than tolerates bad or opposing ideas, how does that increase diversity of thought?Poor ideas, bad speech is not best stopped by bans and laws but by showing better ideas, and good speech in return. Diversity is not best reached by quotas and discrimination but rather through elimination of government dictate.But, history shows the Left loves a good dictatorship and their current one in the West is a Dictatorship of Virtue in which the Left flogs all opposition in favor of their own ideas as failed and absurd as they often are.

Quote: “My labor and my time are mine. I should have the freedom to do with it as I see fit.”.It would be interesting to see how your opinion would change if multiple businesses in your area started to refuse you service because of the way you look or because of what you believe.

Yes,now they do, as they were facing a huge public relations backlash.Seems you still have trouble looking up factual information before posting.

The latest con wet dream but, alas it remains a dream.

Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of e.g. race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.12In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

It’s debatable whether ordering a swatstika cake from a jewish bakery is likely to incite violence and thereby no be protected speech. ;-) And thanks for the snarky arrogance. Are you a lawyer? I haven’t practiced in 2 years and am not up to date on the latest case law, but I can still employ the logic I learned. I also don’t miss the profession or people like you in my face every day at all!