Voter ID laws are a deceptive solution to a non-existent problem. NOWHERE in this country has voter fraud been shown to be anything more than a tiny fraction of voter turnout (the various municipal elections in Chicago during the middle of the 20th century being perhaps an occasional exception).
In order to vote, you must register, at which time your name and address are recorded and a polling site assigned. One ballot will be provided for you, which you only need to provide your name for. Nobody else can pick up your ballot, and you cannot pick up another voter’s ballot. If you live in a state that allows early voting, you need to go to the city hall to pick up your ballot or write to have it mailed to you. No ballot will be provided to you on election day.If your party is having issues with too many people voting against it, than the problem is your platform, NOT the number of people who vote.
??Take everybody’s word for who they claim to be???-———I don’t know what state you might live in that just takes “everybody’s word for who they claim to be”; but even in Arkansas (admittedly not the most progressive or liberal state in the Union) I have always had to prove that I am the voter who is registered to vote – usually by presenting my registration card and my signature. To obtain a registration card, I had to present valid ID (perhaps a driver’s license or passport) and sign the paperwork. This was all done prior to receiving the card. A photo ID at the polls was never an issue, and it is a right covered by the U.S. Constitution, unlike buying beer, checking out a book at the library, or boarding an airplane. What kind of backward state do you live in, anyhow, that takes “everybody’s word”??
you need an ID to buy liguor but not to vote… lol no wonder the US is in the state it is in…"The only people required to show ID when purchasing liquor are those appearing under a certain age. It’s highly unlikely a 40 or 50 year old would be carded for liquor.The only thing I’ve had to show the librarian is my library card, which anyone can sign up for in person at the time of checking out your first book.As for boarding an airplane, that also involves a very intimate encounter with a very handsy TSA agent under the BS guise of looking for weapons. Shall we add that to the voting process as well?
In the recent words of a prominent Republican, how can voter fraud be both widespread and undetected?-This voter suppression is brought to you by the same people who claimed widespread undetected nuclear programs in Iraq.
Theoretically true. Practically, almost never, and to my knowledge this has happened only in small town elections with just a few hundred voters total.
All the more reason to have voting machines that provide a receipt and can’t be “fixed” by someone with a modicum of knowledge of Windows. It’s hard for a dead person to vote more than once, but it’s easy to make a machine cast thousands of votes in the wrong direction, and an audit will provide the exact same tampered result. If people REALLY cared about voter fraud, we’d have better voting machines.
my cousin says voter fraud in kc mo is a dog bites man story and they just sent some more people to prison
while doing research for a city election in 2009 i found of the 70 people i know in my precinct who voted in 11/08 were 2 dead people [02/08 and 07/08] that is only 3% and i was not looking for any
in order to have a case you have to grab them in the act when i found a few months later that dead had voted nothing could be done
I am 69 years old, when I buy whiskey at Kroger I must show my Drivers License.-——-Please excuse me for doubting the veracity of this statement. I simply do not believe it to be credible.There are a number of reasons for my disbelief, including the one you mentioned: “I guess if you get to the point where you can not drive and give up your license, you can’t buy booze at Kroger!” It defies all logic to deny a senior citizen who has no driver’s license the right to buy booze.As a reasonable person, I’m willing to consider any submission of yours that would validate your claim, such as a written policy provided by Kroger’s. But don’t expect me to take your word for it without evidence. That’s just the way I evaluate questionable testimony.
Liar!-So Colin Powell didn’t say that?-And Republicans did not claim there was widespread undetected nucular weapons in Iraq?-Boy, I enjoyed that point by point rebuttal.
“If Obama chose today to use one of his Signing Statements to make it Federal Law that we all had to how a Legal State issued Photo ID in order to Vote as it will prevent Voter Fraud and Identity Theft, then ever Liberal would be for it 1000% as would I.”.Pussycat, how old are you? Did you study civics when (if) you went to high school? “Signing Statements” do not make “Federal Law”! Only the U.S. Congress can make federal laws. That’s why they are the “legislative” branch. The President is in the “executive” branch. Signing statements are used by a sitting President to express his disagreement with a particular bill, without using his veto. Get a clue, will you?
apfelzra Premium Member over 10 years ago
Voter ID laws are a deceptive solution to a non-existent problem. NOWHERE in this country has voter fraud been shown to be anything more than a tiny fraction of voter turnout (the various municipal elections in Chicago during the middle of the 20th century being perhaps an occasional exception).
oneoldhat over 10 years ago
so what if fraudulent vote is only 3% + after all dead people should be allowed to vote
Fourcrows over 10 years ago
In order to vote, you must register, at which time your name and address are recorded and a polling site assigned. One ballot will be provided for you, which you only need to provide your name for. Nobody else can pick up your ballot, and you cannot pick up another voter’s ballot. If you live in a state that allows early voting, you need to go to the city hall to pick up your ballot or write to have it mailed to you. No ballot will be provided to you on election day.If your party is having issues with too many people voting against it, than the problem is your platform, NOT the number of people who vote.
derlehrer over 10 years ago
??Take everybody’s word for who they claim to be???-———I don’t know what state you might live in that just takes “everybody’s word for who they claim to be”; but even in Arkansas (admittedly not the most progressive or liberal state in the Union) I have always had to prove that I am the voter who is registered to vote – usually by presenting my registration card and my signature. To obtain a registration card, I had to present valid ID (perhaps a driver’s license or passport) and sign the paperwork. This was all done prior to receiving the card. A photo ID at the polls was never an issue, and it is a right covered by the U.S. Constitution, unlike buying beer, checking out a book at the library, or boarding an airplane. What kind of backward state do you live in, anyhow, that takes “everybody’s word”??
Jason Allen over 10 years ago
you need an ID to buy liguor but not to vote… lol no wonder the US is in the state it is in…"The only people required to show ID when purchasing liquor are those appearing under a certain age. It’s highly unlikely a 40 or 50 year old would be carded for liquor.The only thing I’ve had to show the librarian is my library card, which anyone can sign up for in person at the time of checking out your first book.As for boarding an airplane, that also involves a very intimate encounter with a very handsy TSA agent under the BS guise of looking for weapons. Shall we add that to the voting process as well?
braindead Premium Member over 10 years ago
In the recent words of a prominent Republican, how can voter fraud be both widespread and undetected?-This voter suppression is brought to you by the same people who claimed widespread undetected nuclear programs in Iraq.
I Play One On TV over 10 years ago
“One person can swing the Election.”
Theoretically true. Practically, almost never, and to my knowledge this has happened only in small town elections with just a few hundred voters total.
All the more reason to have voting machines that provide a receipt and can’t be “fixed” by someone with a modicum of knowledge of Windows. It’s hard for a dead person to vote more than once, but it’s easy to make a machine cast thousands of votes in the wrong direction, and an audit will provide the exact same tampered result. If people REALLY cared about voter fraud, we’d have better voting machines.
oneoldhat over 10 years ago
my cousin says voter fraud in kc mo is a dog bites man story and they just sent some more people to prison
while doing research for a city election in 2009 i found of the 70 people i know in my precinct who voted in 11/08 were 2 dead people [02/08 and 07/08] that is only 3% and i was not looking for any
in order to have a case you have to grab them in the act when i found a few months later that dead had voted nothing could be done
pirate227 over 10 years ago
Voter ID laws are to suppress eligible minority and student votes. Period.
chayasnana over 10 years ago
I didn’t perceive the thief as a black man either, but maybe he should have been dressed in a suit, and carrying a checkbook.
echoraven over 10 years ago
Does that count military votes or are they simply ok to “suppress”?
derlehrer over 10 years ago
I am 69 years old, when I buy whiskey at Kroger I must show my Drivers License.-——-Please excuse me for doubting the veracity of this statement. I simply do not believe it to be credible.There are a number of reasons for my disbelief, including the one you mentioned: “I guess if you get to the point where you can not drive and give up your license, you can’t buy booze at Kroger!” It defies all logic to deny a senior citizen who has no driver’s license the right to buy booze.As a reasonable person, I’m willing to consider any submission of yours that would validate your claim, such as a written policy provided by Kroger’s. But don’t expect me to take your word for it without evidence. That’s just the way I evaluate questionable testimony.
braindead Premium Member over 10 years ago
coraryan said, about 9 hours ago
@braindead08
Liar!-So Colin Powell didn’t say that?-And Republicans did not claim there was widespread undetected nucular weapons in Iraq?-Boy, I enjoyed that point by point rebuttal.
dwilliams_72206 over 10 years ago
“If Obama chose today to use one of his Signing Statements to make it Federal Law that we all had to how a Legal State issued Photo ID in order to Vote as it will prevent Voter Fraud and Identity Theft, then ever Liberal would be for it 1000% as would I.”.Pussycat, how old are you? Did you study civics when (if) you went to high school? “Signing Statements” do not make “Federal Law”! Only the U.S. Congress can make federal laws. That’s why they are the “legislative” branch. The President is in the “executive” branch. Signing statements are used by a sitting President to express his disagreement with a particular bill, without using his veto. Get a clue, will you?