People may very well have an actual argument over just how federal tax monies are being spent. That is perfectly legitimate. But to argue, as some do, that the federal government does not have the legal Constitutional right to even tax its citizens, is totally bogus, and even directly against the Constitution, which many of the same anti tax people seem to believe is almost a purely holy document (while not even understanding just what is even in the document itself). An example of this is in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution itself (not even an amendment, an actual part of the original Constitution) as follows:
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”
This makes it perfectly clear to anybody that can read and understand relatively simple English that the Congress of the US has the legal right to tax the citizens of the US in any way it wishes, and by any amount it wishes also. It also states that Debt service and our military are legitimate expenditures of the federal government. However, almost anything that in any way benefits the “welfare” of the country (and therefore its citizens) is also a legitimate expense of the federal government.
Now, you might legitimately want to argue that last item if you wish. Indeed you not only have the right to do that, but even the obligations as an informed citizen to do that also. But, in order for any such argument for or against a particular expense to be in any way affective, it must be taken to your elected representatives in Congress. Arguing on forums such as this one might be fun, but it practically achieves almost nothing to actually change things.
As for the last part, I can well believe that even the most conservative of posters here must admit that the at the very least the IRS does a relatively good job of taxing all of the people of this country evenly, whether or not you live in either California (as I do) or Mississippi.
For my own part, personally (at least some 40 to 50 years ago) I found that if I have a problem in paying my federal income taxes. that if I humbly take my problem to the IRS office with the attitude that I truly wish to be able to pay my just taxes, that the people in that office (remember that just because you work for the IRS itself, you are not any more exempt from federal taxes than any other citizen) will bend over backwards to help you set up a plan to pay your taxes. And this is not usually the case with private banks or loan agencies. Of course if you go into the IRS with a chip on your shoulder about your federal taxes, (as many do) then you can indeed expect that the same people have the power to ruin you financially!!
I know this was a relatively long post (even for me), but this is not a “soundbite” sort of issue! So thanks for reading. And Have A Very Good Day!!!
That’s funny, I thought all you extra-conservative types idealized the 1950s – when paying your taxes and being a good citizen were actually considered to be vitally important parts of being part of the US.
And absolutely, if there were or are left-leaning groups using that kind of dodge, they should absolutely be audited in excruciating detail as well. I think the problem there is that they don’t have as many “red flag” phrases in the names.
When the IRS audited a church in 2004 because it had someone speak who was opposed to war, it caused an outrage, but only on the left. Now that it’s a Democratic president, both parties are upset. Just sayin’.
“You, also, were born to be Ruled.”As were you, Onguard. The same as everyone else born in this country, to retain your citizenship without going to prison, you must live by the rules and regulations of our federal, state, and local governments. Failure to accept that responsibility can mean relinquishing your rights as a citizen of this country. You are no better and no worse than any of us. If you choose exempt yourself from the rules, expect to be facing a prison sentence. If you want to be the ruler, then by all means run for office. But in the mean time, if you choose to be called “American”, you are to be ruled by the United States government, the same as the rest of us, regardless of who the figurehead (President) is.
OK, I’ll bite.How exactly does the Constitution, which is the “highest law of the land”, preclude the government, AKA the body set up by said Constitution to enforce it, from ruling those constituents living within that particular set of laws? What is your definition of ruling? What is the purpose of our elected government if not to rule and enforce the Constitution? What is the purpose of a set laws if not to rule over those within the borders of a country?
Yes, the more reasonable posters on this site truly do desire to be ruled. Ruled by law and sanity that is. The US Constitution is an expression of that law and sanity that has enabled this democratic republic to not only exist longer than just about any such republic in history, but at the same time grant the greatest amount of freedom to its people in human history as well. If that is what it means to be ruled, then I am more than happy to be so ruled. Heck, I may not like all of the decisions made by the Republican House of Representatives (when they decide to even make any decisions at all), but as they are representing the law of the land I will support them, and that has included paying taxes all of my working life. If that is not something that you wish to do, then please take your so called “freedoms” someplace else!!
I think you all missed the point.Lets go back many many many years ago.Does Watergate, the Plumbers ring an ear or two. Just another thing the government does. It keeps an eye on things but this IRS and Tea Party is indicating to “directed” by someone. Watergate was to see what the Democrats were going to do in political activities. Not unusual been going on for years. Every conversation in the White House had been recorded since they had the ability to do it. FDR was one. J. Edgar Hoover another. Just never caught at it and made sure nothing “bad” made it to light. Nearly every one in America is on somebody’s list some where. It is just what you do with the information. With Nixon his was to counter ahead of time anything the Dems came up with. He had time to prepare. He did not like surprises. Just denying he knew even remotely about this action is what did him in. He would have never been impeached but he would have never been trusted again. That was what Nixon could not deal with. He would be at the mercy of everyone to do what he wanted them to do.I am not a fan of the TEA party. I think they are so far out there most of time they make no sense. They want no Federal government to tell them how to be. They do the same thing about any kind of Government. They are thick here in Texas. I have dealt with them on the road. Always “Cant you find anything better to do than to mess with citizens!” “Sir you were stopped because your head light is out. Just wanted to let you know.” “Why don’t you bother some REAL criminals”Its our government. It’s what we got. I have lived elsewhere and was SOOOO thankful when I came back on US soil.Complain all you want. Citizens died so you can do that.Carry on.
Yeah; Listen to Landers – he knows whereof he speaks. It may seem strange to those of us who just want a comic to make us laugh, but bear in mind that it is the “sorry truth” that makes us laugh, if only to keep from crying.
I love hearing the losers of the right complaining about the IRS (and the iRS IS in the wrong) even as they continue to defend the Bush administration’s use of torture. Torture is a million times worse that these IRS investigations. Until you admit that, GOP, SHUT THE HELL UP. You’ve sacrificed your humanity to defend a politician that allowed people to be tortured. There is NO excuse for that. None at all.
Your “Civics” class would be the greatest joke, as evidently neither you nor anybody else in this class has ever bothered to even read the US Constitution! Here FYI is most of the body of the US Constitution that deals with just how Congress actually sets the laws and rules for the citizens of the us:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
What kind of amazes me in your attitude here is that the current House of Representatives is now run by the Republican Party. If you do not like the rules and laws of this country, (including taxes) then why not complain either to them, or about them!!
I’m not so sure you understand how the system actually works. The Constitution does not grant unlimited freedom, it provides a set of laws (rules) that citizens agree to live under. Our elected government officials are rulers we put in place to enforce or adjust those laws – Congress creates new laws (rules), the SCOTUS determines whether those laws fit with the Constitution, and the President executes those laws, making him the ruler of our country. Assuming you don’t keep a harem of 14 year old sex slaves, do your grocery shopping naked, and hunt hobos for sport, you accept being ruled, just like the rest of us. If you do, in fact, do all those things, I accept your assertion that you are not ruled, and look forward to seeing you on the news.I understand what you are trying to do. You are not happy with our current President, and are finding a way to separate yourself from the majority of the country that elected him. If you feel he has overstepped his authority, fine. That has been an argument for 200 years in this country. I don’t know which President hasn’t done something that could be considered beyond the scope of his Constitutionally appointed powers. Did you protest when GW Bush signed the Patriot Act? Or when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers? Where does the Constitution say any of those things are within the power of the executive branch? If you didn’t protest over those incidents, you are simply being hypocritical by singling out a President you don’t like, because you accepted being ruled by the others. I hold Obama as much responsible for our loss of freedom for not nullifying the Patriot Act as I do Bush for signing it. The difference is, when I wrote my letters of protest about them, Obama sent back a nice signed letter (which essentially said very little would change while America could be considered under threat), while under Bush I got pulled out of work by the Secret Service and had my computer confiscated for a week. (The letters were identical, with no threatening remarks, just Constitutional citations and a plea for the repeal of an unconstitutional law)
^before we get into semantics, yes – I know actually signing the act IS within the scope of the executive branch. It was a failure of all three branches – Congress for writing it, the President for approving and agreeing to enforce it, and the SCOTUS for not rejecting it. It was Bush’s endorsement and promotion of it I found unconscionable. As the executive branch (ruler), everything passed by Congress falls under his responsibility, because he ultimately is “the Decider”, to use his own words.
Not working until tonight, so I have some time to discuss.The Constitution limits the power of the government, but does not grant unlimited freedom. I have to wear clothes on the bus. I can’t take the old lady’s house across the street. There are plenty of laws out there, the Bill of Rights is just there to ensure certain rights are not infringed upon by the federal government. To maintain my unfettered citizenship, I must conform to the rule of law, like everyone else, of which the President and elected officials are the executors.The gist of the ATC strike was that denying their right to strike was an unjust law. Reagan wanted to show he could break unions and give an uneven power back to business leaders at the collective bargaining table. It set the precedent for today’s uneven wealth distribution (the average CEO making 340 times what the average worker makes). And yes, my computer hard drive was confiscated, I was questioned for an hour in a car during my work hours, I was audited three years in a row until I moved overseas in 2006. I did not send an email, I mailed an actual letter (I have a collection of letters and responses from various political figures and some CEOs. It is something I do to find out a politician’s actual worth.) I felt the reaction was over the top, and it was moving to Ireland that finally stopped the audits, of course I had to pay both Irish and US taxes that first year, and living in four countries over the next three years really cost me. I’m not writing letters to anyone today (except Senator King), as I am still paying back taxes and don’t want to draw a lot of attention to myself until they are gone.
The Tea Party are a bunch of tools and dupes for the Koch brothers and their billionaire cronies who have influenced things to the point where the USA now has the most unequal wealth distribution of any developed country. The American Dream of upward social mobility is dying with the hollowing out of the middle class. These guys probably should be investigated. They do not deserve any sort of tax free status.
“Fortunately it was just a couple low-level IRS employees in an office in Cincinnati…”#The shocking part is that it was a low level employee in a low level office in Idaho! SO THERE!
ConserveGov almost 11 years ago
Fortunately it was just a couple low-level IRS employees in an office in Cincinnati…………… What? That was a lie to COVERUP THE SCANDAL?Shocking!
frodo1008 almost 11 years ago
People may very well have an actual argument over just how federal tax monies are being spent. That is perfectly legitimate. But to argue, as some do, that the federal government does not have the legal Constitutional right to even tax its citizens, is totally bogus, and even directly against the Constitution, which many of the same anti tax people seem to believe is almost a purely holy document (while not even understanding just what is even in the document itself). An example of this is in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution itself (not even an amendment, an actual part of the original Constitution) as follows:
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”
This makes it perfectly clear to anybody that can read and understand relatively simple English that the Congress of the US has the legal right to tax the citizens of the US in any way it wishes, and by any amount it wishes also. It also states that Debt service and our military are legitimate expenditures of the federal government. However, almost anything that in any way benefits the “welfare” of the country (and therefore its citizens) is also a legitimate expense of the federal government.
Now, you might legitimately want to argue that last item if you wish. Indeed you not only have the right to do that, but even the obligations as an informed citizen to do that also. But, in order for any such argument for or against a particular expense to be in any way affective, it must be taken to your elected representatives in Congress. Arguing on forums such as this one might be fun, but it practically achieves almost nothing to actually change things.
As for the last part, I can well believe that even the most conservative of posters here must admit that the at the very least the IRS does a relatively good job of taxing all of the people of this country evenly, whether or not you live in either California (as I do) or Mississippi.
For my own part, personally (at least some 40 to 50 years ago) I found that if I have a problem in paying my federal income taxes. that if I humbly take my problem to the IRS office with the attitude that I truly wish to be able to pay my just taxes, that the people in that office (remember that just because you work for the IRS itself, you are not any more exempt from federal taxes than any other citizen) will bend over backwards to help you set up a plan to pay your taxes. And this is not usually the case with private banks or loan agencies. Of course if you go into the IRS with a chip on your shoulder about your federal taxes, (as many do) then you can indeed expect that the same people have the power to ruin you financially!!
I know this was a relatively long post (even for me), but this is not a “soundbite” sort of issue! So thanks for reading. And Have A Very Good Day!!!
lbatik almost 11 years ago
That’s funny, I thought all you extra-conservative types idealized the 1950s – when paying your taxes and being a good citizen were actually considered to be vitally important parts of being part of the US.
lbatik almost 11 years ago
Interestingly, from what I can find online, the whole reason that the “Tea Party” groups were singled out for special audit was the fact that they were trying to apply for 501©(4) status, which would exempt them from taxes. The crucial part of that status, however, is that it is supposed to be for “social welfare” and not explicitly for the purpose of political lobbying. This being the case, I think that putting in an application to be 501©(4) with “Tea Party” (or the other “Patriot” key phrases in the name actually ought to be audited.
And absolutely, if there were or are left-leaning groups using that kind of dodge, they should absolutely be audited in excruciating detail as well. I think the problem there is that they don’t have as many “red flag” phrases in the names.
ARodney almost 11 years ago
When the IRS audited a church in 2004 because it had someone speak who was opposed to war, it caused an outrage, but only on the left. Now that it’s a Democratic president, both parties are upset. Just sayin’.
Fourcrows almost 11 years ago
“You, also, were born to be Ruled.”As were you, Onguard. The same as everyone else born in this country, to retain your citizenship without going to prison, you must live by the rules and regulations of our federal, state, and local governments. Failure to accept that responsibility can mean relinquishing your rights as a citizen of this country. You are no better and no worse than any of us. If you choose exempt yourself from the rules, expect to be facing a prison sentence. If you want to be the ruler, then by all means run for office. But in the mean time, if you choose to be called “American”, you are to be ruled by the United States government, the same as the rest of us, regardless of who the figurehead (President) is.
lbatik almost 11 years ago
::sigh::
Yeah.
Fourcrows almost 11 years ago
OK, I’ll bite.How exactly does the Constitution, which is the “highest law of the land”, preclude the government, AKA the body set up by said Constitution to enforce it, from ruling those constituents living within that particular set of laws? What is your definition of ruling? What is the purpose of our elected government if not to rule and enforce the Constitution? What is the purpose of a set laws if not to rule over those within the borders of a country?
frodo1008 almost 11 years ago
Yes, the more reasonable posters on this site truly do desire to be ruled. Ruled by law and sanity that is. The US Constitution is an expression of that law and sanity that has enabled this democratic republic to not only exist longer than just about any such republic in history, but at the same time grant the greatest amount of freedom to its people in human history as well. If that is what it means to be ruled, then I am more than happy to be so ruled. Heck, I may not like all of the decisions made by the Republican House of Representatives (when they decide to even make any decisions at all), but as they are representing the law of the land I will support them, and that has included paying taxes all of my working life. If that is not something that you wish to do, then please take your so called “freedoms” someplace else!!
Vet Premium Member almost 11 years ago
I think you all missed the point.Lets go back many many many years ago.Does Watergate, the Plumbers ring an ear or two. Just another thing the government does. It keeps an eye on things but this IRS and Tea Party is indicating to “directed” by someone. Watergate was to see what the Democrats were going to do in political activities. Not unusual been going on for years. Every conversation in the White House had been recorded since they had the ability to do it. FDR was one. J. Edgar Hoover another. Just never caught at it and made sure nothing “bad” made it to light. Nearly every one in America is on somebody’s list some where. It is just what you do with the information. With Nixon his was to counter ahead of time anything the Dems came up with. He had time to prepare. He did not like surprises. Just denying he knew even remotely about this action is what did him in. He would have never been impeached but he would have never been trusted again. That was what Nixon could not deal with. He would be at the mercy of everyone to do what he wanted them to do.I am not a fan of the TEA party. I think they are so far out there most of time they make no sense. They want no Federal government to tell them how to be. They do the same thing about any kind of Government. They are thick here in Texas. I have dealt with them on the road. Always “Cant you find anything better to do than to mess with citizens!” “Sir you were stopped because your head light is out. Just wanted to let you know.” “Why don’t you bother some REAL criminals”Its our government. It’s what we got. I have lived elsewhere and was SOOOO thankful when I came back on US soil.Complain all you want. Citizens died so you can do that.Carry on.
Hapster1951 almost 11 years ago
Yeah; Listen to Landers – he knows whereof he speaks. It may seem strange to those of us who just want a comic to make us laugh, but bear in mind that it is the “sorry truth” that makes us laugh, if only to keep from crying.
Rickapolis almost 11 years ago
I love hearing the losers of the right complaining about the IRS (and the iRS IS in the wrong) even as they continue to defend the Bush administration’s use of torture. Torture is a million times worse that these IRS investigations. Until you admit that, GOP, SHUT THE HELL UP. You’ve sacrificed your humanity to defend a politician that allowed people to be tortured. There is NO excuse for that. None at all.
frodo1008 almost 11 years ago
Your “Civics” class would be the greatest joke, as evidently neither you nor anybody else in this class has ever bothered to even read the US Constitution! Here FYI is most of the body of the US Constitution that deals with just how Congress actually sets the laws and rules for the citizens of the us:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
What kind of amazes me in your attitude here is that the current House of Representatives is now run by the Republican Party. If you do not like the rules and laws of this country, (including taxes) then why not complain either to them, or about them!!
Fourcrows almost 11 years ago
I’m not so sure you understand how the system actually works. The Constitution does not grant unlimited freedom, it provides a set of laws (rules) that citizens agree to live under. Our elected government officials are rulers we put in place to enforce or adjust those laws – Congress creates new laws (rules), the SCOTUS determines whether those laws fit with the Constitution, and the President executes those laws, making him the ruler of our country. Assuming you don’t keep a harem of 14 year old sex slaves, do your grocery shopping naked, and hunt hobos for sport, you accept being ruled, just like the rest of us. If you do, in fact, do all those things, I accept your assertion that you are not ruled, and look forward to seeing you on the news.I understand what you are trying to do. You are not happy with our current President, and are finding a way to separate yourself from the majority of the country that elected him. If you feel he has overstepped his authority, fine. That has been an argument for 200 years in this country. I don’t know which President hasn’t done something that could be considered beyond the scope of his Constitutionally appointed powers. Did you protest when GW Bush signed the Patriot Act? Or when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers? Where does the Constitution say any of those things are within the power of the executive branch? If you didn’t protest over those incidents, you are simply being hypocritical by singling out a President you don’t like, because you accepted being ruled by the others. I hold Obama as much responsible for our loss of freedom for not nullifying the Patriot Act as I do Bush for signing it. The difference is, when I wrote my letters of protest about them, Obama sent back a nice signed letter (which essentially said very little would change while America could be considered under threat), while under Bush I got pulled out of work by the Secret Service and had my computer confiscated for a week. (The letters were identical, with no threatening remarks, just Constitutional citations and a plea for the repeal of an unconstitutional law)
Fourcrows almost 11 years ago
^before we get into semantics, yes – I know actually signing the act IS within the scope of the executive branch. It was a failure of all three branches – Congress for writing it, the President for approving and agreeing to enforce it, and the SCOTUS for not rejecting it. It was Bush’s endorsement and promotion of it I found unconscionable. As the executive branch (ruler), everything passed by Congress falls under his responsibility, because he ultimately is “the Decider”, to use his own words.
Fourcrows almost 11 years ago
Not working until tonight, so I have some time to discuss.The Constitution limits the power of the government, but does not grant unlimited freedom. I have to wear clothes on the bus. I can’t take the old lady’s house across the street. There are plenty of laws out there, the Bill of Rights is just there to ensure certain rights are not infringed upon by the federal government. To maintain my unfettered citizenship, I must conform to the rule of law, like everyone else, of which the President and elected officials are the executors.The gist of the ATC strike was that denying their right to strike was an unjust law. Reagan wanted to show he could break unions and give an uneven power back to business leaders at the collective bargaining table. It set the precedent for today’s uneven wealth distribution (the average CEO making 340 times what the average worker makes). And yes, my computer hard drive was confiscated, I was questioned for an hour in a car during my work hours, I was audited three years in a row until I moved overseas in 2006. I did not send an email, I mailed an actual letter (I have a collection of letters and responses from various political figures and some CEOs. It is something I do to find out a politician’s actual worth.) I felt the reaction was over the top, and it was moving to Ireland that finally stopped the audits, of course I had to pay both Irish and US taxes that first year, and living in four countries over the next three years really cost me. I’m not writing letters to anyone today (except Senator King), as I am still paying back taxes and don’t want to draw a lot of attention to myself until they are gone.
bgarner almost 11 years ago
The Tea Party are a bunch of tools and dupes for the Koch brothers and their billionaire cronies who have influenced things to the point where the USA now has the most unequal wealth distribution of any developed country. The American Dream of upward social mobility is dying with the hollowing out of the middle class. These guys probably should be investigated. They do not deserve any sort of tax free status.
William Bednar Premium Member almost 11 years ago
“Fortunately it was just a couple low-level IRS employees in an office in Cincinnati…”#The shocking part is that it was a low level employee in a low level office in Idaho! SO THERE!