the death penalty actually costs more than housing one forever because of court costs and the repeated requests and all. I don’t think the death penalty is right.
Years ago, before it was popular with anyone but sailors, I decided to get a tattoo, primarily to irritate my parents.
Before I made it to the parlor, though, I read a story about a man who had just been set free after serving 15 years for a murder that he did not commit. The reason he was found guilty was that his tattoo resembled the one that the murderer had.
I never got a tattoo. I want to be as anonymous as possible in that regard.
Here is my challenge show me one- that is only one- documented case where an innocent was put to death.
I am not counting where his mother says “My son was innocent”. Go ahead and come back with proof. Death penalty opponents have been searching for years without success. Note, I didn’t say convicted and later freed. Convicted, put to death and then later found an error had been committed.
We all know the famous case where the entire anti-death penalty community rallied behing a for certain innocent. Actually exhumed the body years later and tested his DNA. He was guilty. After that strange silence from anti-capital punishment zealots.
^ and ^^ what is with you cons? you just make it up? there are over 100 inmates on texas death row that were wrongly convicted due to the conspiratorial malfeasance of the prosector and medical examiner.it doesn’t take much of a google to look this stuff, so here’s your unfortunate answer as you’re both very very wrong. and there are also cases where innocents have been put to death BECAUSE their trial ‘seemed’ fair at the time.in this country you’re only entitled to a fair trial, not a fair outcome. And I have a empathy problem, I can actually see myself in the position of being wrongly accused and wrongly convicted by a system more interested in winning at any cost than achieving justice. Perhaps libertarian1 can explain why, exactly, these wrongly convicted and executed (notice the exoneration posthumously of so many of them) citizens are “thugs” and less entitled to justice then any of us?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates
fla has more over 26 overturned due to wrongful convections in last couple yrs thats why they want to speed it up tired of haveing to admit they screwed up COME TO FL ON VACATION GO HOME ON PROBATION things that are misdemeanor are felonies here
^I guess you missed the first four on the list for the USA, or maybe you don’t understand what the word “posthumous” means, or the term “posthumously pardoned”.this is not an exhaustive list either, just the first that popped up on a simple google search.
^^and how would you feel if you were wrongfully convicted, sentenced to death, and had to literally fight for your life as a ‘thug’. Not to mention, after exoneration, how your life would be ruined?
^^^here’s a better link, rather than search for exonerated death row inmates – which was my original search, and clearly ambiguous as to your question, wrongfully executed yielded a much more fruitful, and shameful, list:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution
in the usa there is not supposed to be justification for the state killing innocents. a single state killed innocent is not offset by any number of murder victims. justice should not kill an innocent to pay for the death of an innocent.in the usa we do not prove innocent, we prove guilt. and in the case of a high crime it is beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.
The last time Davis was before the Supreme Court, however, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia explained why Davis was not a free man:
This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent… Quite to the contrary, we have repeatedly left that question unresolved, while expressing considerable doubt that any claim based on alleged “actual innocence” is constitutionally cognizable.
It is many hours after your last post. I am sorry and if you by chance do see this here is my background.
In medical school we were taught to analyze by a pathologist every single appendix removed by a surgeon. The state of the art has changed but the concept hasn’t. If the surgeon had a `100% record of every single appendix being infected he was considered a poor surgeon. Back to school fo remedial diagnostic training because he has left some infected disease behind and that patient might die. If on the other hand 80% were not infected, once again back for training for,obvious reasons
If a few innocent defendants are convicted that is absolutely necessary for the vast majority of the guilty to be convicted. Is that fair to the innocent? No, which is why we have an appeal after appeal after appeal process. I don’t want hundreds of murderers running around loose to satisfy some strange liberal vision of “fairness”.
BTW, when a judge imposes the death penalty he looks at the case and the defendant as a whole. Do you really think ever the judge says you were a pillar of society, helped children, fed the poor and rivaled Mother Theresa but I am still giving you the death penalty. Those sentenced to death tend to be the scum of society with records of arrests and convictions going back decades. Innocents except for one crime get imprisonment not the death penalty. I
pam Miner almost 11 years ago
the death penalty actually costs more than housing one forever because of court costs and the repeated requests and all. I don’t think the death penalty is right.
I Play One On TV almost 11 years ago
Years ago, before it was popular with anyone but sailors, I decided to get a tattoo, primarily to irritate my parents.
Before I made it to the parlor, though, I read a story about a man who had just been set free after serving 15 years for a murder that he did not commit. The reason he was found guilty was that his tattoo resembled the one that the murderer had.
I never got a tattoo. I want to be as anonymous as possible in that regard.
Libertarian1 almost 11 years ago
There is an important corollary that death penalty opponents conveniently and deliberately ignore. There literally have been hundreds of innocent US citizens murdered by previously convicted murderers who have been released from prison either because (a) death penalty is cruel and unusual, (b) imprisonment for life is unfair, © biased juries etc. These innocents are still dead but you still cry over the one thug who you felt was unfairly convicted for this crime despeite the fact he did dozens of others.
Collective liberal response oops! Those were unintended consequences except to the dead you killed.
http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html
Libertarian1 almost 11 years ago
Ulan and Fritzoid
Here is my challenge show me one- that is only one- documented case where an innocent was put to death.
I am not counting where his mother says “My son was innocent”. Go ahead and come back with proof. Death penalty opponents have been searching for years without success. Note, I didn’t say convicted and later freed. Convicted, put to death and then later found an error had been committed.
We all know the famous case where the entire anti-death penalty community rallied behing a for certain innocent. Actually exhumed the body years later and tested his DNA. He was guilty. After that strange silence from anti-capital punishment zealots.
dannysixpack almost 11 years ago
^ and ^^ what is with you cons? you just make it up? there are over 100 inmates on texas death row that were wrongly convicted due to the conspiratorial malfeasance of the prosector and medical examiner.it doesn’t take much of a google to look this stuff, so here’s your unfortunate answer as you’re both very very wrong. and there are also cases where innocents have been put to death BECAUSE their trial ‘seemed’ fair at the time.in this country you’re only entitled to a fair trial, not a fair outcome. And I have a empathy problem, I can actually see myself in the position of being wrongly accused and wrongly convicted by a system more interested in winning at any cost than achieving justice. Perhaps libertarian1 can explain why, exactly, these wrongly convicted and executed (notice the exoneration posthumously of so many of them) citizens are “thugs” and less entitled to justice then any of us?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates
dannysixpack almost 11 years ago
^Life with parole is the worst sentence a society can impose. LWoPP and death is just too easy on the criminal. why are cons so soft on crime?
genemascho almost 11 years ago
fla has more over 26 overturned due to wrongful convections in last couple yrs thats why they want to speed it up tired of haveing to admit they screwed up COME TO FL ON VACATION GO HOME ON PROBATION things that are misdemeanor are felonies here
dannysixpack almost 11 years ago
^I guess you missed the first four on the list for the USA, or maybe you don’t understand what the word “posthumous” means, or the term “posthumously pardoned”.this is not an exhaustive list either, just the first that popped up on a simple google search.
dannysixpack almost 11 years ago
^^and how would you feel if you were wrongfully convicted, sentenced to death, and had to literally fight for your life as a ‘thug’. Not to mention, after exoneration, how your life would be ruined?
dannysixpack almost 11 years ago
^^^here’s a better link, rather than search for exonerated death row inmates – which was my original search, and clearly ambiguous as to your question, wrongfully executed yielded a much more fruitful, and shameful, list:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution
dannysixpack almost 11 years ago
dannysixpack said, less than a minute ago
in the usa there is not supposed to be justification for the state killing innocents. a single state killed innocent is not offset by any number of murder victims. justice should not kill an innocent to pay for the death of an innocent.in the usa we do not prove innocent, we prove guilt. and in the case of a high crime it is beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.
dannysixpack almost 11 years ago
The last time Davis was before the Supreme Court, however, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia explained why Davis was not a free man:
This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent… Quite to the contrary, we have repeatedly left that question unresolved, while expressing considerable doubt that any claim based on alleged “actual innocence” is constitutionally cognizable.
Libertarian1 almost 11 years ago
It is many hours after your last post. I am sorry and if you by chance do see this here is my background.
In medical school we were taught to analyze by a pathologist every single appendix removed by a surgeon. The state of the art has changed but the concept hasn’t. If the surgeon had a `100% record of every single appendix being infected he was considered a poor surgeon. Back to school fo remedial diagnostic training because he has left some infected disease behind and that patient might die. If on the other hand 80% were not infected, once again back for training for,obvious reasons
If a few innocent defendants are convicted that is absolutely necessary for the vast majority of the guilty to be convicted. Is that fair to the innocent? No, which is why we have an appeal after appeal after appeal process. I don’t want hundreds of murderers running around loose to satisfy some strange liberal vision of “fairness”.
BTW, when a judge imposes the death penalty he looks at the case and the defendant as a whole. Do you really think ever the judge says you were a pillar of society, helped children, fed the poor and rivaled Mother Theresa but I am still giving you the death penalty. Those sentenced to death tend to be the scum of society with records of arrests and convictions going back decades. Innocents except for one crime get imprisonment not the death penalty. I