Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for May 05, 2013
Transcript:
Student 1: Are you kidding me? Student 2: Oh, my God! Student 3: Get out! Zipper: What's going on can't be good... Student 4: Damn! Professor: So some of you may be a little surprised by your grades... Zipper: What the...? Professor: You may not have been warned that this classroom is one of the few at Walden never infected by the self-esteem craze... Here students gain confidence through actual achievement, not through grade inflation and empty praise... The real world demands results. It doesn't much care whether you hold yourself in high regard. That era is over! See you tomorrow. Pawn Shop Guy: "Most Improved Camper?" Zipper: I got nine of 'em. I'm pretty sure that's real gold.
JP Steve Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Good Morning, Happy Campers!
applecrash almost 11 years ago
This is probably part of what led to Zip leaving school to head for Colorado with Zonker.
Alexander the Good Enough almost 11 years ago
It’s a rerun, I believe. But so VERY worth rerunning!
pawpawbear almost 11 years ago
While I do not believe in crushing anyone’s spirit, especially children, I feel that we have gone too far in eliminating competition and the desire to succeed in the schools of our nation. I am not suggesting that it should be cutthroat but progressively more realistic. Children should be encouraged to do mor, to run farther and faster and to succeed academically. Passing everyone just puts a lot more unprepared adults on the street later on. When that happens it is too late to teach them to succeed in life.
alcors3 almost 11 years ago
Now if we can eliminate tenure for educators as well and have teachers actually teach throughout their careers we will get somewhere.
susan.e.a.c almost 11 years ago
Yes, best to give accurate marks for actual learning.
MiepR almost 11 years ago
I don’t remember this one, and I think it should be current because of Walden’s getting privatized. Did we miss the rest of the pot farm episode?
Calvin and Hobbes and Dilbert reruns are better. Garry, you’re slipping. Make it tri-weekly.
Newshound41 almost 11 years ago
This is one issue Trudeau and the conservatives agree on. The difference being the role of teachers. Conservatives see teachers as the problem. At least at the college level, GT sees the teachers as the victims; pressured by administrators to lower standards and pass undeserving students.
txmystic almost 11 years ago
Millennials….
michaeljbounds almost 11 years ago
Thank God! The era of Liberal Teaching/Parenting is over! Now back to the real world.
annafrances almost 11 years ago
See Mallard Fillmore today
Doughfoot almost 11 years ago
Not lead, Clark. Lead is valuable. Probably aluminum. Or more likely plastic. The spoiling of some children has gone on forever. It is too easy to demonize the whole self-esteem thing, but like anything else, the devil is in the details. Encouraging the “losers” does not necessarily involve eliminating competition, or lowering standards, or spoiling and entitling students. And saying that more could be done to raise the quality of teaching and teachers, at every level, is hardly an attack on the teaching profession. Quite the opposite. And we’re not going to do that by binding and gagging teachers with NCLB teach-to-the-test-or-perish laws and the silencing of their union. Good teaching has to be encouraged, but there is the problem of doing that when the method used is something like NCLB, which does nothing of the kind.
cdward almost 11 years ago
Teaching is one of the toughest, most demanding and yet most important professions we have. They should be paid what we perversely pay pro athletes, actors and bankers. And if you want to keep them fresh and not burned out, then don’t throw them out with the garbage the minute they quit producing the high grades – institute mandatory sabbaticals so they can rest, regroup and learn new tricks. Once every 5-10 years would reap tremendous gains in the long run.
arpee44 almost 11 years ago
Garry is not slipping. This is most timely. This is final exam week. We “old school” teachers applaud this Walden prof. Our stance sometimes leads to negative student evals, (career breakers in Texas) but so what? Those that shape up make it all worthwhile.
JeNagVaz almost 11 years ago
Self efficacy and growth mindset…..
s_roberts99 almost 11 years ago
It’s about time…..Again!
mistercatworks almost 11 years ago
There was a fad in the world of psychology that we could stop bullies, if we raised their self-esteem. It turns out we have reared a generation of bullies with high self-esteem.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
“Once we have only teachers in charge of education”— amen to that. Diane Ravitch has written extensively about education in Finland, she is a great source of info about this. Most of the coddling of students has to do with parents, not teachers. We have too many students in the inner cities who are struggling to keep food in their bellies and to make it to and from school safely, let alone to get all A’s in school. Then, everyone looks around and says what is the problem with our inner city schools? As to our suburban schools, most of them are actually competitive with Finland, however.
Rickapolis almost 11 years ago
It seems EVERYONE wants to have the responsibility of a politician.
rmacprivate almost 11 years ago
The last time this topic came up and I stated my disgust with this self esteem crap, I got blasted by some lady suggesting that I must not have children and if I did how terrible for them and blah, blah, blah and blah. GOD! I just can’t believe how any adult can be so naive! Of course this blight on our society is probably just one of many of the reasons we are so quickly devolving into a second rate country.
Sidneypop almost 11 years ago
It would be nice if our bureaucracy were held to this standard.
Gokie5 almost 11 years ago
I have a different slant here. I was a great student, worked hard, and made good grades (math was hard, but I really worked at it and made A’s and the occasional B). When I got out into real life, I thought I’d do really well, and did get by, but didn’t set the world on fire. What I didn’t know was that to make piles of $$ or rise through the ranks, you need entrepreneurial ability, or the cojones to boss people around, sell things and PRODUCE! No one cares much whether or not you can spell or parse “lie” and “lay.” I don’t know the answer to this – maybe it’s a first-world worry.
pawpawbear almost 11 years ago
It is a blessing and bless you for recognising it.
Hawthorne almost 11 years ago
Those of you who are interested in education and haven’t seen/read these materials might be very interested in Charlotte Iserbyt’s interview re global education/government/economy. Iserbyt was Reagan’s staffer on education, fired for taking her job too seriously.
The video interview: http://tinyurl.com/bvs42h2
Transcript, if you’d rather read: http://tinyurl.com/c74djn3
Something she didn’t mention was used on us in the mid-nineties, to ram ‘school reform’ down our throats. It was originally invented (discovered?) for ‘think tanks’ to reach more accurate consensus. But, hey, why stop there? Info here:
http://tinyurl.com/bvs42h2
Enjoy. Or not …
Newshound41 almost 11 years ago
The hearings are on Wednesday.
Hawthorne almost 11 years ago
Yes. There were a lot of us who agreed with those of you who opposed it. We fought as best we could, but we were fighting a committed government. Only a few of us really understood that. And if we did, we couldn’t figure out why, because the ‘reform’ was clearly a wholly destructive move on the part of government.
Have you seen the Charlotte Iserbyt interviews? I posted the links upthread to the interview, the transcript of the interview, and also the link to the way the Delphi technique was misused to ram that ‘reform’ down our collective throats.
In truth, I suspect that the Delphi technique has simply been coopted to give us what they want.
Hawthorne almost 11 years ago
So, ask yourself: How, exactly, did we get here?
And then, if you haven’t already, you might check out the links I posted.
Hawthorne almost 11 years ago
Yep. That covers it for the schools, really – assuming that you are willing to replace all that social engineering with academics.
I too had excellent teachers on the whole. That was over fifty years ago – I do recall a couple of duds, but most were at the least better than good enough, and I’ve had a couple of truly great teachers.
Most of the kids know they are being used, they just have no way to figure out how. Mostly their self esteem is really in the toilet; except for the manufactured sociopaths who believe they are as great as the schools say they are, and take their pleasure in bullying anyone who isn’t bigger and more brutal than they are.
Check out the links I posted. They will surprise you!
loves raising duncan almost 11 years ago
Pawn Stars would be proud!!!
Semper Fido almost 11 years ago
It’s about time. Let the real world begin!