Even on medicare, the premiums deducted (over 100.00) each month plus the taxes on medicare go up each year. Secondary insurance is now running over 100.00 as well. Taxes are owed on retirements so many people over 70 are stil working in order to eat ‘cause they don’t qualify for free stuff like food stamps.
Don’t forget the 30,000 American lives saved every year. What an expensive travesty THAT will be! Have you noticed in the last year that the Republicans have dropped the idea of “repeal and replace,” and just want “repeal”? In other words, “if you get sick, die in poverty.” And this from the party that purports to have religious values.
You know these are editorial comments and not news articles? All three are written by people with a vested interest in business as usual for the corporate medical industry elite. Yes the current law is in many ways a flawed compromise. It’s a shame that a better bill was blocked by a Republican minority and a few Democrats being influenced by political pressure and the money of corporate America.
Because Health Insurers NEVER raised their rates until Obamacare happened. They wouldn’t have DARED to double their rates(several times) during a Conservative Republican administration.Oh, NO! It’s all Obama’s fault that you can’t get full medical care by taking a chicken over to Dr.Quinn anymore.
“Obama cut Medicare by something like $50 million to help ‘pay’ for Obamacare.”
This is true. I think it was more like $700 million. The idea was that there was that much waste and fraud, and that removing that would increase available funding for health care. Isn’t this what people have wanted all along?
Go to the website for HHS and sign up for their weekly newsletter. Each week it shows the amount of money that HHS has recovered/people prosecuted for Medicare fraud. I applaud their efforts.
Let’s make the assumption that Lisa and the Republicans get their way: no Obamacare. Go right back to the previous system, since there is no plan to “replace”. Bring back the exclusion for pre-existing conditions, allow insurance to spend unlimited funds on marketing; they don’t need to pay for health care anyway. Allow insurance companies to drop you from the plan when your care becomes too expensive.
This will also increase unfunded emergency room care, which totaled $39 billion last year. It will also increase costs to our society, since people who don’t have insurance will wait until their conditions become much worse before seeking treatment that they can’t pay for. Remember that treatment that can’t be paid for still is paid for by someone.
Personally, I’d rather everybody pay to contribute to health care than to have others choose not to purchase coverage and tap my funds when they need help. I would rather pay for a diabetic’s meds than to pay for amputation and dialysis.
These costs will exist, to a greater or lesser degree, regardless of which plan is in place, or even if there is no plan. It’s just a matter of what column it shows up in during the accounting process.
Health care costs will go up exponentially regardless, especially with a country that feels as though its individuals have every right to trash their health. As a society that’s getting older, more and more problems will occur, and that’s not counting the additional costs of self-inflicted, avoidable, and unnecessary maladies. But don’t tell us we have to watch our sugar intake. Make pizza sauce a “vegetable” when fed to school children (don’t be surprised when they make improper food choices when they become self-reliant).
Be careful what you wish for.
Just as raising the debt ceiling cures the symptom but not the problem, so is Obamacare. More people will get better care sooner, but it will cost more….but not as much more in the long run, because of earlier intervention being available. But it is not the cure. Single payer is the cure.
LOLLisa, what a genius you are….this is a perfect illustration of the Obama Legacy!-But IMO there is the “side” to go along with O’s Burger….the lavish taxpaid living expenses the Obama’s indulge themselves in through recession, phony “recovery” and through Sequestration….Cut the Public White House Tours and tell the agencies to cut where the public will be most obviously hurt; but keep on with Million-Dollar once a month “vacations”……we taxpayers are now FRENCH-FRIED.
Btw, just wait until all the people who never bothered paying for health insurance (like the rest of us) start getting sick and decide to to jump on the government subsidized insurance plans.
Kinda like people being able to wait until they have a car accident to then buy car insurance and forcing companies to cover the damages.
That Burger is gonna look like Jack’s Hot Mess Burger.
Scott, get your numbers right. First of all, Medicare hasn’t been cut but it is being streamlined. Under the GOP plan it will be cut and future beneficiaries will have to pay for their own insurance with the aid of a voucher. (If you can find one that will take a 65 year old with prior problems.
Kylie2112 said, about 5 hours ago“Just remember, the Afforable Care Act was a Heritage Foundation/Newt Gingrich idea from the mid-90s.”-I am so sick & tired of that phoney claim.I know the Heritage plan may have had some similar ideas, but I am sure that their plan did not have the built-in mandates forcing citizens to “buy insurance” or PAY A FINE… - The Obamaplan was written in secret by exclusively Democrats behind closed doors, and tramples all over citizens’ rights= religious and economic. Not Heritage’s style.-Obamacare is designed to impose mandates, raise taxes, control medical practises, drive out the private system America had enjoyed with freedoms for doctors and hospitals and insurance suppliers and freedom of choice for citizens.-Democrats also designed it to force “change” over time into the Socialist’s Single Payer System of a totalitarian government…..by eliminating “choices” for Americans due to the disappearance of bankrupted private providers.
The following is a quote from Bill Frezza’s latest column in Huffington Post. It speaks very directly to this subject, especially who’s going to pay for all this. His point is how we have duped the next generation into paying the bill for all the expenses, debt and entitlements that we the Boomer’s have created.
“What could be more effective at indoctrination than 16 unchallenged years to teach young people that feeling is better than thinking, that intentions are more important than results, that when a public policy fails we should do more of it, and that giving unto others is the highest virtue? This makes it so much easier for us to pluck them naked without too much squawking.”
Don Winchester Premium Member about 11 years ago
That secret sauce looks like it could be the blood Obama’s out for to tax everyone to death.
Jason Allen about 11 years ago
Very good. Now maybe you can find an estimate from a legitimate news source rather than one that’s mired in blatant partisanship.
nanellen about 11 years ago
Even on medicare, the premiums deducted (over 100.00) each month plus the taxes on medicare go up each year. Secondary insurance is now running over 100.00 as well. Taxes are owed on retirements so many people over 70 are stil working in order to eat ‘cause they don’t qualify for free stuff like food stamps.
ARodney about 11 years ago
Don’t forget the 30,000 American lives saved every year. What an expensive travesty THAT will be! Have you noticed in the last year that the Republicans have dropped the idea of “repeal and replace,” and just want “repeal”? In other words, “if you get sick, die in poverty.” And this from the party that purports to have religious values.
cjr53 about 11 years ago
How about that, “taxed to death” yet still living. Next thing, ask for some cheese with your whine.
Yontrop about 11 years ago
You know these are editorial comments and not news articles? All three are written by people with a vested interest in business as usual for the corporate medical industry elite. Yes the current law is in many ways a flawed compromise. It’s a shame that a better bill was blocked by a Republican minority and a few Democrats being influenced by political pressure and the money of corporate America.
Nebulous Premium Member about 11 years ago
Because Health Insurers NEVER raised their rates until Obamacare happened. They wouldn’t have DARED to double their rates(several times) during a Conservative Republican administration.Oh, NO! It’s all Obama’s fault that you can’t get full medical care by taking a chicken over to Dr.Quinn anymore.
I Play One On TV about 11 years ago
“Obama cut Medicare by something like $50 million to help ‘pay’ for Obamacare.”
This is true. I think it was more like $700 million. The idea was that there was that much waste and fraud, and that removing that would increase available funding for health care. Isn’t this what people have wanted all along?
Go to the website for HHS and sign up for their weekly newsletter. Each week it shows the amount of money that HHS has recovered/people prosecuted for Medicare fraud. I applaud their efforts.
corzak about 11 years ago
“All the commenters here are either on Medicare or soon will be so what are you complaining about?”Good question.
I Play One On TV about 11 years ago
Let’s make the assumption that Lisa and the Republicans get their way: no Obamacare. Go right back to the previous system, since there is no plan to “replace”. Bring back the exclusion for pre-existing conditions, allow insurance to spend unlimited funds on marketing; they don’t need to pay for health care anyway. Allow insurance companies to drop you from the plan when your care becomes too expensive.
This will also increase unfunded emergency room care, which totaled $39 billion last year. It will also increase costs to our society, since people who don’t have insurance will wait until their conditions become much worse before seeking treatment that they can’t pay for. Remember that treatment that can’t be paid for still is paid for by someone.
Personally, I’d rather everybody pay to contribute to health care than to have others choose not to purchase coverage and tap my funds when they need help. I would rather pay for a diabetic’s meds than to pay for amputation and dialysis.
These costs will exist, to a greater or lesser degree, regardless of which plan is in place, or even if there is no plan. It’s just a matter of what column it shows up in during the accounting process.
Health care costs will go up exponentially regardless, especially with a country that feels as though its individuals have every right to trash their health. As a society that’s getting older, more and more problems will occur, and that’s not counting the additional costs of self-inflicted, avoidable, and unnecessary maladies. But don’t tell us we have to watch our sugar intake. Make pizza sauce a “vegetable” when fed to school children (don’t be surprised when they make improper food choices when they become self-reliant).
Be careful what you wish for.
Just as raising the debt ceiling cures the symptom but not the problem, so is Obamacare. More people will get better care sooner, but it will cost more….but not as much more in the long run, because of earlier intervention being available. But it is not the cure. Single payer is the cure.
None so blind as he who will not see.
ConserveGov about 11 years ago
1.6 trillion in new costs is just the start.
Just like every other Spendocrat proposal that low-balls the cost estimates and then just says “oh well, we can’t stop now”.
disgustedtaxpayer about 11 years ago
LOLLisa, what a genius you are….this is a perfect illustration of the Obama Legacy!-But IMO there is the “side” to go along with O’s Burger….the lavish taxpaid living expenses the Obama’s indulge themselves in through recession, phony “recovery” and through Sequestration….Cut the Public White House Tours and tell the agencies to cut where the public will be most obviously hurt; but keep on with Million-Dollar once a month “vacations”……we taxpayers are now FRENCH-FRIED.
ConserveGov about 11 years ago
Btw, just wait until all the people who never bothered paying for health insurance (like the rest of us) start getting sick and decide to to jump on the government subsidized insurance plans.
Kinda like people being able to wait until they have a car accident to then buy car insurance and forcing companies to cover the damages.
That Burger is gonna look like Jack’s Hot Mess Burger.
Stormrider2112 about 11 years ago
Just remember, the Afforable Care Act was a Heritage Foundation/Newt Gingrich idea from the mid-90s.
Justice22 about 11 years ago
Scott, get your numbers right. First of all, Medicare hasn’t been cut but it is being streamlined. Under the GOP plan it will be cut and future beneficiaries will have to pay for their own insurance with the aid of a voucher. (If you can find one that will take a 65 year old with prior problems.
Nimsshow about 11 years ago
On the bright side it can’t have more calories than most fast food. Or was it paper that’s rich in trans fats?
oneoldhat about 11 years ago
do not worry independent payment advisory board will save medicare and social security
DavidGBA about 11 years ago
Bunch of horse hooey!
disgustedtaxpayer about 11 years ago
Kylie2112 said, about 5 hours ago“Just remember, the Afforable Care Act was a Heritage Foundation/Newt Gingrich idea from the mid-90s.”-I am so sick & tired of that phoney claim.I know the Heritage plan may have had some similar ideas, but I am sure that their plan did not have the built-in mandates forcing citizens to “buy insurance” or PAY A FINE… - The Obamaplan was written in secret by exclusively Democrats behind closed doors, and tramples all over citizens’ rights= religious and economic. Not Heritage’s style.-Obamacare is designed to impose mandates, raise taxes, control medical practises, drive out the private system America had enjoyed with freedoms for doctors and hospitals and insurance suppliers and freedom of choice for citizens.-Democrats also designed it to force “change” over time into the Socialist’s Single Payer System of a totalitarian government…..by eliminating “choices” for Americans due to the disappearance of bankrupted private providers.
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
Last but not least."
The following is a quote from Bill Frezza’s latest column in Huffington Post. It speaks very directly to this subject, especially who’s going to pay for all this. His point is how we have duped the next generation into paying the bill for all the expenses, debt and entitlements that we the Boomer’s have created.
“What could be more effective at indoctrination than 16 unchallenged years to teach young people that feeling is better than thinking, that intentions are more important than results, that when a public policy fails we should do more of it, and that giving unto others is the highest virtue? This makes it so much easier for us to pluck them naked without too much squawking.”
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