Love the “projections”. Thanks for reminding us how badly Shrub screwed us over. If we’re lucky at all, the House will come to its senses and realize how much they have hindered our recovery. BTW: passing a bill telling the Senate to cut its pay, even though they also said they’d cut theirs, is unconstitutional, as that document says EACH house sets its own rules. If they’d have passed it as a resolution, that would be different. Political gimmickry!
The R’s were as rude to Mr. Obama in 2009 as the D’s under Pelosi were to the Repubs. Despite Howgozit’s suggestion yesterday I was wrong to say Mr. Obama had sought bipartisanship and had offered concessions that was part of the reason so few independents and even D’s came out in 2010. Now, Mr. Obama is in his last term and therefore has nothing to lose, even though we, the people, have a lot if these two parties don’t become Americans instead of D’s and R’s. It is my opinion that Mr.Obama’s new energy will energize D’s and Independents who agree with him in 2014, but will equally energize R’s and independents who find his agenda threatening. We can be certain that billions will be spent in newspapers, tv stations, and computer websites by "corporate “People” who will invest in the candidate who most represents their agendas.It won’t be boring. Painful, but not boring.Respectfully,C.
The apologies never happened.If you don’t believe Snopes and Politifact and Askdotcom how about CNN?http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/fact-check-apology-tour/index.html
When people you know send all of those chain emails, and you write back and say 95% of those emails are false, and give a citation, then over time you don’t get those emails anymore.
These people . . . with their “Luckily America voted for a Republican Congress” . . . is amazing, especially when the Republican Party itself boasts of its gerrymandering success in winning the House, despite losing the vote:“Republicans enjoy a 33-seat margin in the U.S. House seated yesterday in the 113th Congress, having endured Democratic successes atop the ticket and over one million more votes cast for Democratic House candidates than Republicans.”REDMAP 2012 Summary Report
I didn’t vote for a Republican Congress and neither did the rest of my neighbors here in Livermore, Alameda County, US Congressional District 15 (Eric “That F#@!ing Punk” Swalwell), California.
My ballot did not have a single Republican candidate running for that office—just two f&^%ing Democrats and that this election for this seat was anything but “democratic” given how the election was limited only to the top two candidates from the primary and no space allowed for a “write-in” candidate.
I favor Progressive Liberals ‘pursuing their vision of happiness’. It is in our Declaration of Independence. I would Not object to them creating a private foundation that anyone can contribute to. It’s purpose would be to pay for all the initiatives that are beyond a National Balanced Budget.. Democrats could campaign for donations just like they build PACs. There are lots of well-to-do Republicans that would be willing to give money. Progressives can run the programs exactly like they want with No pressure to compromise. If the foundation can find lenders, then they could even go into debt to progress even further..Key word: ‘voluntary’. No More Use of Other People’s Money.
“The electoral college only applies to the President. All the others are popular vote. And who is Gerry Mander?”*I hope this is sarcasm and I just don’t get it.*If not, you a) didn’t understand Doughfoot’s comment, and b) don’t understand how state voting districts that elect US House members are formed.
Robert Landers: You assume The People will even be permitted to vote. The only hope is one or more of the Koch-heads will drop dead before they can rubber stamp what the brothers say. Two of them currently make more money giving Koch speeches than they do from judicial salaries, and a third is gaining rapidly.
I have never approved of gerrymandering by either party!!
But, we were discussing the gerrymandering done in the last election. And if the Republicans actually lost the over all vote by about 1 million votes and still retained control of the House of Representatives, then which party has to do the gerrymandering to do that?
The same thing happened in the Senate, but there the Republicans actually lost seats. And it is either very difficult or even down right impossible to gerrymander an entire state.
The only NONconstitutional redistricting of which I am aware took place in Texas, while Tom Delay was Speaker of the House. He pressured Texas Republicans to redistrict MID-CENSUS to assure greater control of the (Republic of) Texas legislature. I don’t say UNconstitutional as I don’t know if the Supreme Court ever ruled on this.
“…you must be against banks and insurance companies…” Now, hold on a minute,there. You have jumped across the Grand Canyon in your conclusions..Clarification: ‘I consider removing regulations from banks as bad business and has led to multiple regional depressions over the last 200 years’. .I have said nothing about the voluntary purchase of insurance under free-market conditions. Let’s save that topic for another day.
ConserveGov about 11 years ago
Luckily America voted for a Republican Congress to stop him.
edward thomas Premium Member about 11 years ago
Love the “projections”. Thanks for reminding us how badly Shrub screwed us over. If we’re lucky at all, the House will come to its senses and realize how much they have hindered our recovery. BTW: passing a bill telling the Senate to cut its pay, even though they also said they’d cut theirs, is unconstitutional, as that document says EACH house sets its own rules. If they’d have passed it as a resolution, that would be different. Political gimmickry!
chazandru about 11 years ago
The R’s were as rude to Mr. Obama in 2009 as the D’s under Pelosi were to the Repubs. Despite Howgozit’s suggestion yesterday I was wrong to say Mr. Obama had sought bipartisanship and had offered concessions that was part of the reason so few independents and even D’s came out in 2010. Now, Mr. Obama is in his last term and therefore has nothing to lose, even though we, the people, have a lot if these two parties don’t become Americans instead of D’s and R’s. It is my opinion that Mr.Obama’s new energy will energize D’s and Independents who agree with him in 2014, but will equally energize R’s and independents who find his agenda threatening. We can be certain that billions will be spent in newspapers, tv stations, and computer websites by "corporate “People” who will invest in the candidate who most represents their agendas.It won’t be boring. Painful, but not boring.Respectfully,C.
rockngolfer about 11 years ago
The apologies never happened.If you don’t believe Snopes and Politifact and Askdotcom how about CNN?http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/fact-check-apology-tour/index.html
rockngolfer about 11 years ago
When people you know send all of those chain emails, and you write back and say 95% of those emails are false, and give a citation, then over time you don’t get those emails anymore.
corzak about 11 years ago
These people . . . with their “Luckily America voted for a Republican Congress” . . . is amazing, especially when the Republican Party itself boasts of its gerrymandering success in winning the House, despite losing the vote:“Republicans enjoy a 33-seat margin in the U.S. House seated yesterday in the 113th Congress, having endured Democratic successes atop the ticket and over one million more votes cast for Democratic House candidates than Republicans.”REDMAP 2012 Summary Report
tygrkhat40 about 11 years ago
All politicians are as useful as a screen door on a submarine.
californicated1 about 11 years ago
I didn’t vote for a Republican Congress and neither did the rest of my neighbors here in Livermore, Alameda County, US Congressional District 15 (Eric “That F#@!ing Punk” Swalwell), California.
My ballot did not have a single Republican candidate running for that office—just two f&^%ing Democrats and that this election for this seat was anything but “democratic” given how the election was limited only to the top two candidates from the primary and no space allowed for a “write-in” candidate.
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member about 11 years ago
I favor Progressive Liberals ‘pursuing their vision of happiness’. It is in our Declaration of Independence. I would Not object to them creating a private foundation that anyone can contribute to. It’s purpose would be to pay for all the initiatives that are beyond a National Balanced Budget.. Democrats could campaign for donations just like they build PACs. There are lots of well-to-do Republicans that would be willing to give money. Progressives can run the programs exactly like they want with No pressure to compromise. If the foundation can find lenders, then they could even go into debt to progress even further..Key word: ‘voluntary’. No More Use of Other People’s Money.
Marty Z about 11 years ago
“The electoral college only applies to the President. All the others are popular vote. And who is Gerry Mander?”*I hope this is sarcasm and I just don’t get it.*If not, you a) didn’t understand Doughfoot’s comment, and b) don’t understand how state voting districts that elect US House members are formed.
Hawthorne about 11 years ago
Easy. Outlaw lobbying.
Rickapolis about 11 years ago
Suck on it, GOP.
hippogriff about 11 years ago
Robert Landers: You assume The People will even be permitted to vote. The only hope is one or more of the Koch-heads will drop dead before they can rubber stamp what the brothers say. Two of them currently make more money giving Koch speeches than they do from judicial salaries, and a third is gaining rapidly.
frodo1008 about 11 years ago
I have never approved of gerrymandering by either party!!
But, we were discussing the gerrymandering done in the last election. And if the Republicans actually lost the over all vote by about 1 million votes and still retained control of the House of Representatives, then which party has to do the gerrymandering to do that?
The same thing happened in the Senate, but there the Republicans actually lost seats. And it is either very difficult or even down right impossible to gerrymander an entire state.
Understood?
edward thomas Premium Member about 11 years ago
Actually agree with Ima’s comment! NOT!
edward thomas Premium Member about 11 years ago
Sarcasm intended Ima!
edward thomas Premium Member about 11 years ago
The only NONconstitutional redistricting of which I am aware took place in Texas, while Tom Delay was Speaker of the House. He pressured Texas Republicans to redistrict MID-CENSUS to assure greater control of the (Republic of) Texas legislature. I don’t say UNconstitutional as I don’t know if the Supreme Court ever ruled on this.
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member about 11 years ago
“…you must be against banks and insurance companies…” Now, hold on a minute,there. You have jumped across the Grand Canyon in your conclusions..Clarification: ‘I consider removing regulations from banks as bad business and has led to multiple regional depressions over the last 200 years’. .I have said nothing about the voluntary purchase of insurance under free-market conditions. Let’s save that topic for another day.