How did we get to the point where people think we need to arm teachers or have armed guards in every school? Something went very wrong. Personally, I think we have too little sense of community, of shared values and efforts. The name calling that goes on here doesn’t help.
No school should HAVE to “protect itself”… get it?No children, or their teachers, should EVER face something this twisted, and awful… ever!.You state:“The crazy probably would have not entered a school that could protect itself.”…-Are YOU getting any counseling? On any drugs? Own any guns? Surplus ammunition?.Just asking.
This notion that armed teachers can protect the children from loonies has to be about the biggest harebrained scheme ever advanced by the NRA and its supporters. Although it would be good for gun sales..Imagine a true loonie intent on gunning down children in a classroom going up against teacher. The loonie is armed to the teeth, has a plan, and is a psychopath. The teacher has a locked gun, has to find the key, unlock the weapon, load the gun and go up against a crazy who, knowing she has a gun, will shoot her first. He is a psychopath; she is a caring purpose who has to morph from teaching “See Dick and Jane run”, to being a killer. It ain’t going to happen. .An armed guard in every school or classroom is similarly fraught with limitations..Banning assault weapons and high capacity clips will help. In the case of Sandy Hook, it would have prevented or reduced the killings. .Lonecat is on the right track above..Alternatively, a nation that institutionalizes mass killings of innocent people through Shock and Awe or presidential authorized drone strikes, may have to tolerate the odd desensitized wing-nut from their population thinking it is okay to kill the innocent.
the NRA want to continue to make sure that every mentally ill person or terrorist in the US can but a big fat gun. I think that is a real problem that can be changed to not be a problem.
… and I can protect myself, too! Scared now?.You didn’t answer my question about guns and surplus ammunition, did you?.FWIW… I didn’t “scream” at you, I accentuated. Which ones of us are deemed “crazy” may not be shown except by time..I have no interest — whatsoever — in finding your property or your front door… but come to mine? Then we’ll have an exchange you’ll be likely to regret.
It is so convenient to blame someone else when the responsibility is ours. We failed to keep the mental health system viable. We support the violent culture that fosters these deranged people. Our media glorifies violence and the principals involved. We as a society ignore these problems until we have some heinous crime like the Newtown shooting and then we cry for more laws and rage indignantly while pointing fingers at everyone else. We should be looking in a mirror and focusing on the important priorities. Laws and speeches are free, real action takes commitment.
Here’s a word problem for all you opinion people. We have relatively easy access to most school facilities. We have approximately 4 million assault rifles in our country. Thousands of those rifles were sold and are not listed in any database. We have a very small percentage of people who would (statistically miniscule) abuse those weapons and commit a crime like at Newtown. *What is a practical, workable and TIMELY solution to remedying this problem?*I am an analyst and all my life have had to resolve complicated issues. It can be done.*Solutions only, no finger pointing or blaming…
Well, timely is the real issue, isn’t it? Nothing can be done overnight, and with our government, we’re lucky to get things done in a mere matter of decades. But here are some suggestions:1. No more military grade weapons in the hands of civilians. Unfortunately, we cannot remove those already out there without just cause, and a pending ban will cause a rush on buying them. The right to bear arms means you can protect yourself and your home, but the armed forces and national guard have replaced the need for an active citizen militia.2. Limit the number of guns and amount of ammunition that can be purchased by an individual. This is very doable. We have a system in place now to track the sale of Ephedra, to ensure nobody buys more than one package every thirty days. Gun and ammunition sales can be tracked the same way. The convicted felon who shot the firefighters in New York acquired his guns through a neighbor. Limits would have prevented her from buying three more guns and giving them to a convicted murderer.3. Annual inspections and registrations of all guns by local authorities, as well as required training at initial purchase and every five to ten years. We do the same with cars, and the revenue would support local police departments. Inspections would also prevent illegal resales – if you sold or gave away your gun, you would have to be able to show where it went.
Again, timely is the major issue here, as this could take years to implement. Universal healthcare would also help matters, by ensuring everyone who needed psychiatric help could get it and not as many slip through the cracks.As far as armed guards in the schools – a guard is simply the first target. Columbine had two armed guards, and it didn’t do any good. Arming teachers is also a recipe for disaster – more bullets flying means more causualties, the whole point behind fully automatic weapons in the first place. Also, at the high school level it would be easy for 2 students to disarm a teacher and use the weapon themselves. Remember, in thee cases it is not about getting away with it, it is about going out “in a blaze of glory”.
When I graduated from High School in ‘62, our campus was totally open, and “violence” was settled with fists, or maybe a bike chain, and that was the gangs. When I went back for my 40th reunion, the entire campus was surrounded by razor wire, and bars surrounded the buildings, and there were FOUR armed guards at the security gate to get in, and sign in. That was ten years ago. Things have gone downhill, from even that, and the easy access to, and thus prevalence of guns, has increased the violence, and death on campuses that doesn’t even make the news outside the local papers.
It isn’t so much video games, as our constant starting of immoral and illegal wars, and the corruption at the very top of our government from Nixon, to Reagan (remember how many of HIS advisors also were indicted, convicted of high crimes, then released by Reagan appointed judges?)
When Oliver North became a “hero figure”, they killed Batman, and made the Penguin the “good guy”.
Nice to see so many postings where most were focused on remedy rather than blame. The issue still unresolved is "timely first and foremost. Mental health, assault weapons bans, high cap magazines, gun show registration, etc are good long term ideas. Rifles, magazines and ammunition are out there in massive quantity in a population that isn’t traceable. We aren’t talking about the overwhelming percentage of gun owners who are law abiding, responsible shooter’s who comply with the law.*We are talking about a statistically minute but potentially lethal group who are “invisible” to the system. In principal I find it offensive that we have to have armed security to protect school children. In practicality, looking at the nature and timing of this problem I don’t see any other timely, practical, effective solutions. I don’t pretend to know all the answers to this but I’m glad the dialog is more constructive than contentious.*
“Liberal tyranny is far more deadly than some nutball with a stolen rifle. The 2nd Amendment was created to stop just such a government as we suffer under "-Then hold your sad sob-drenched hanky to your poor throbbing head as you fall dramatically on your carefully-placed fainting couch… you sad sorry wuss of a person!
Conn had strict laws. Mom had money. She home-schooled the crazy. She owned the guns and taught him how to use them. .She chose NOT to get professional help or Meds. Nothing has been suggested here that that would have prevented Sandy Hook. .It is time to talk about how to protect the children. Private Schools for kids from that families making $200K have 1 minute access to armed guardians.
May I remind you that a recent mass shooting occurred on a military base? I’m reminded of a Monty Python skit, where the mobsters visit the C.O. – “Nice little base you ‘ave ’ere, Colonel. Wouldn’t want anything to ’appen to it”…
baileydean about 11 years ago
DANGER .Truth told here
lonecat about 11 years ago
How did we get to the point where people think we need to arm teachers or have armed guards in every school? Something went very wrong. Personally, I think we have too little sense of community, of shared values and efforts. The name calling that goes on here doesn’t help.
baileydean about 11 years ago
No school should HAVE to “protect itself”… get it?No children, or their teachers, should EVER face something this twisted, and awful… ever!.You state:“The crazy probably would have not entered a school that could protect itself.”…-Are YOU getting any counseling? On any drugs? Own any guns? Surplus ammunition?.Just asking.
Gypsy8 about 11 years ago
This notion that armed teachers can protect the children from loonies has to be about the biggest harebrained scheme ever advanced by the NRA and its supporters. Although it would be good for gun sales..Imagine a true loonie intent on gunning down children in a classroom going up against teacher. The loonie is armed to the teeth, has a plan, and is a psychopath. The teacher has a locked gun, has to find the key, unlock the weapon, load the gun and go up against a crazy who, knowing she has a gun, will shoot her first. He is a psychopath; she is a caring purpose who has to morph from teaching “See Dick and Jane run”, to being a killer. It ain’t going to happen. .An armed guard in every school or classroom is similarly fraught with limitations..Banning assault weapons and high capacity clips will help. In the case of Sandy Hook, it would have prevented or reduced the killings. .Lonecat is on the right track above..Alternatively, a nation that institutionalizes mass killings of innocent people through Shock and Awe or presidential authorized drone strikes, may have to tolerate the odd desensitized wing-nut from their population thinking it is okay to kill the innocent.
AdmNaismith about 11 years ago
the NRA want to continue to make sure that every mentally ill person or terrorist in the US can but a big fat gun. I think that is a real problem that can be changed to not be a problem.
baileydean about 11 years ago
… and I can protect myself, too! Scared now?.You didn’t answer my question about guns and surplus ammunition, did you?.FWIW… I didn’t “scream” at you, I accentuated. Which ones of us are deemed “crazy” may not be shown except by time..I have no interest — whatsoever — in finding your property or your front door… but come to mine? Then we’ll have an exchange you’ll be likely to regret.
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
It is so convenient to blame someone else when the responsibility is ours. We failed to keep the mental health system viable. We support the violent culture that fosters these deranged people. Our media glorifies violence and the principals involved. We as a society ignore these problems until we have some heinous crime like the Newtown shooting and then we cry for more laws and rage indignantly while pointing fingers at everyone else. We should be looking in a mirror and focusing on the important priorities. Laws and speeches are free, real action takes commitment.
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
Here’s a word problem for all you opinion people. We have relatively easy access to most school facilities. We have approximately 4 million assault rifles in our country. Thousands of those rifles were sold and are not listed in any database. We have a very small percentage of people who would (statistically miniscule) abuse those weapons and commit a crime like at Newtown. *What is a practical, workable and TIMELY solution to remedying this problem?*I am an analyst and all my life have had to resolve complicated issues. It can be done.*Solutions only, no finger pointing or blaming…
baileydean about 11 years ago
Okay… just curious. Does the NRA want every American to be able to get a gun, or two…. if they want it?.I’m not anti-gun, I’m just asking…
Fourcrows about 11 years ago
Well, timely is the real issue, isn’t it? Nothing can be done overnight, and with our government, we’re lucky to get things done in a mere matter of decades. But here are some suggestions:1. No more military grade weapons in the hands of civilians. Unfortunately, we cannot remove those already out there without just cause, and a pending ban will cause a rush on buying them. The right to bear arms means you can protect yourself and your home, but the armed forces and national guard have replaced the need for an active citizen militia.2. Limit the number of guns and amount of ammunition that can be purchased by an individual. This is very doable. We have a system in place now to track the sale of Ephedra, to ensure nobody buys more than one package every thirty days. Gun and ammunition sales can be tracked the same way. The convicted felon who shot the firefighters in New York acquired his guns through a neighbor. Limits would have prevented her from buying three more guns and giving them to a convicted murderer.3. Annual inspections and registrations of all guns by local authorities, as well as required training at initial purchase and every five to ten years. We do the same with cars, and the revenue would support local police departments. Inspections would also prevent illegal resales – if you sold or gave away your gun, you would have to be able to show where it went.
Again, timely is the major issue here, as this could take years to implement. Universal healthcare would also help matters, by ensuring everyone who needed psychiatric help could get it and not as many slip through the cracks.As far as armed guards in the schools – a guard is simply the first target. Columbine had two armed guards, and it didn’t do any good. Arming teachers is also a recipe for disaster – more bullets flying means more causualties, the whole point behind fully automatic weapons in the first place. Also, at the high school level it would be easy for 2 students to disarm a teacher and use the weapon themselves. Remember, in thee cases it is not about getting away with it, it is about going out “in a blaze of glory”.
Stormrider2112 about 11 years ago
Remember Columbine? The first person killed was the armed security guard.
Dtroutma about 11 years ago
When I graduated from High School in ‘62, our campus was totally open, and “violence” was settled with fists, or maybe a bike chain, and that was the gangs. When I went back for my 40th reunion, the entire campus was surrounded by razor wire, and bars surrounded the buildings, and there were FOUR armed guards at the security gate to get in, and sign in. That was ten years ago. Things have gone downhill, from even that, and the easy access to, and thus prevalence of guns, has increased the violence, and death on campuses that doesn’t even make the news outside the local papers.
It isn’t so much video games, as our constant starting of immoral and illegal wars, and the corruption at the very top of our government from Nixon, to Reagan (remember how many of HIS advisors also were indicted, convicted of high crimes, then released by Reagan appointed judges?)
When Oliver North became a “hero figure”, they killed Batman, and made the Penguin the “good guy”.
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
Nice to see so many postings where most were focused on remedy rather than blame. The issue still unresolved is "timely first and foremost. Mental health, assault weapons bans, high cap magazines, gun show registration, etc are good long term ideas. Rifles, magazines and ammunition are out there in massive quantity in a population that isn’t traceable. We aren’t talking about the overwhelming percentage of gun owners who are law abiding, responsible shooter’s who comply with the law.*We are talking about a statistically minute but potentially lethal group who are “invisible” to the system. In principal I find it offensive that we have to have armed security to protect school children. In practicality, looking at the nature and timing of this problem I don’t see any other timely, practical, effective solutions. I don’t pretend to know all the answers to this but I’m glad the dialog is more constructive than contentious.*
baileydean about 11 years ago
“Liberal tyranny is far more deadly than some nutball with a stolen rifle. The 2nd Amendment was created to stop just such a government as we suffer under "-Then hold your sad sob-drenched hanky to your poor throbbing head as you fall dramatically on your carefully-placed fainting couch… you sad sorry wuss of a person!
baileydean about 11 years ago
Sheesh!!!
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member about 11 years ago
Conn had strict laws. Mom had money. She home-schooled the crazy. She owned the guns and taught him how to use them. .She chose NOT to get professional help or Meds. Nothing has been suggested here that that would have prevented Sandy Hook. .It is time to talk about how to protect the children. Private Schools for kids from that families making $200K have 1 minute access to armed guardians.
Ottodesu about 11 years ago
Seriously, is there a better definition of systemic insanity than providing schoolteachers with guns in the classroom?
thegreatack about 11 years ago
“A well REGULATED militia…”
sw10mm about 11 years ago
Evidently it’s what someone not in the NRA wants. Look up the lawsuit filed against the state of CT. Doubt they’re pro NRA.
baileydean about 11 years ago
… oh? But apparently you’re missing a gauntlet now, eh? You reveal yourself to be a pompous fool.
markjoseph125 about 11 years ago
You really should not be calling other people loonies. It breaks all the irony meters in a thousand-mile radius.
Call me Ishmael about 11 years ago
May I remind you that a recent mass shooting occurred on a military base? I’m reminded of a Monty Python skit, where the mobsters visit the C.O. – “Nice little base you ‘ave ’ere, Colonel. Wouldn’t want anything to ’appen to it”…
Call me Ishmael about 11 years ago
Let’s blame the NRA for the legal ownership of assault weapons.