Jeff Danziger for November 30, 2012

Just another liberal toon telling people they have no business asking questions about Benghazi-Gate.

We can thank our lucky stars that John McCain was never commander-in-chief.

Both sides are great at having facts that support their view.

That’s because even paying Condi a compliment was called racist by the righties

Ima’s just trolling, just ignore him and don’t respond.

Got tinfoil?

The intelligence wasn’t even very wrong. For five days after the attack, it had a couple of largely inconsequential details wrong, and she reported those details WITH THE CAVEAT that we’d be learning more about it with an investigation. There simply is no scandal. McCain has other motives.

Valerie Plame’s husband (working for the CIA) reported a month before the speech by Powell before the UN that there was no truth to the claim that Iraq was seeking to buy yellowcake from Niger. Cheney ordered Libby to “out” Ms. Plame putting those informants in Niger in danger. The report on yellowcake was released by the CIA director.Mr. Libby stated that it was Cheney who ordered him to release the information on Plame to get back at Plame’s husband for bringing back information they did not want to be made public.

“The Attention Deficit Disorder Sufferer’s Guide to……Hey, what’s that over there?”

“Increasing the Capital Gains Tax will punish Middle Class Senior Citizens who draw the majority of income from their 401K and IRA Accounts ….”

WRONG! You don’t even know how 401K’s work. But don’t let that stop you. We don’t pay taxes on capital gains, dividends or interest in a 401K. We only pay taxes on what we withdraw in the year we withdraw it, and retirees are often in a low tax bracket when they are making those withdrawals.

THAT “Yellow Cake”??-———————————You have totally misrepresented the post from I’m a Troll – it specifically mentioned “birthday cake,” didn’t you notice? In other words, it doesn’t have a clue what the term means..Nor, I fear, does it know the details about the “uranium separating equipment” (whatever the hell that has to do with birthday cakes).

AT THE TIME, many of us were listening to the U.S. and U.N. inspectors in Iraq saying there was NO EVIDENCE….-—————————Yes, I remember at that time arguing with one colleague in particular about the WMD’s, etc. He maintained there were trains carrying them across Iraq, from one point to another, in order to keep them hidden from the inspectors. He mentioned the airplanes covered with sand in the desert. All the standard lies were at his disposal..I also remember wishing that the U.N. inspectors had had the guts to remain in Iraq to do their job, daring Bush to attack while they were present. That scenario would have allowed for a different history. Too bad.

gricks and Donald,Sorry, I have an uncontrollable reflex to try to reason with “uninformed know-it-alls”. I need to remind myself that I’m not the first to try and fail.

This is not a commercial, but you know you can buy yellowcake for your experiments?http://www.amazon.com/Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM

You’re right, but a lot of Democrats in Congress weren’t able to see what was going on, or didn’t have the courage of their convictions.

greedy obstructive party stubborn-ness.

I will take this as a serious question and answer it as such. One part of the answer is that I’m neither a Democrat nor a Republican, so I don’t have a vested interest in protecting either party. I was raised as a Democrat. I attended the 1964 Democratic convention as a Young Democrat for Johnson. Then as the War in Vietnam started to heat up, I started to read, and I discovered that a lot of what the US government said about the war was a tissue of lies. For instance, I. F. Stone published a very persuasive critique of the Tonkin Gulf incident not very long after it happened — or rather after it didn’t happen. I then started to read more widely in US history — particularly the history of the US in Central America — and I discovered that there has been a long history of US imperialism. As I learned all this I started to become critical of both parties, which seemed to be largley in collusion when it came to imperial policy. I also got to know a lot of people who had been active in the Civil Rights Movement, and I began to think more critically about racial policy in the US over the period since the Civil War. It became clear that for most of that time neither party had a serious interest in civil rights. Anyway, to cut a long story short, something like the Gulf War and the justifications for it fit right into a pattern. In order to see this pattern you have to be willing to step outside the regular party system and you have to think about history and also about current events from a different perspective. This is not easy to do, and there is very little reason for those in positions of power to make the effort. Maybe that’s enough for now.

@lonecat:

Well put.

@ansonia:

I think it’s safe to say that many of the posters on this site are smarter than their congressmen/women. And if not smarter, more willing to research. And sometimes people in the middle of things can’t see things that those on the sidelines can.

That was the UN; I was talking about the UN and US inspectors.-————————-Don’t you just hate it when someone is so confused that s/he can’t distinguish between inspectors sent by the U.N. and the members who pass resolutions in an effort to govern? Is there a difference?

To whom it may concern:

Yeah, I got it in my back yard.-——————————-Maybe I’m confused.Weren’t those shipments orchestrated by the U.S. in 2008? Didn’t Hussein die in 2006? So, help me out: What did they have to do with deposing a dictator?

“So your point is that because McCain didn’t do anything about Condi, which was wrong, he should just dismiss any wrongdoing on the part of Susan?”[]I think the point was the duplicity of McCain.[]Didn’t he miss a briefing on this, in order to hold a press conference?[]Let’s await all the evidence.

“I mean the yellow cake that was sent to Canada. Denial must be a sad state to live in.”[]Your first post was in response to “Radish” and said, “Yea, you are right. The yellow cake and the uranium separating equipment was for saddam’s birthday cake, right?”[]“Radish” had posted: “Too bad McCain didn’t ask questions of Condi Rice when she falsely claimed Iraq was building a nuke.”[]Your chronology is skewed because, as Donald pointed out, the “yellow cake” was sent to Canada AFTER the invasion. No? Please correct me if I’m wrong.[](There are legitimate uses for “yellow cake,” other than nukes. Aren’t there?):)

“Satellites showed large trucks moving material from the sites or if the sites were big enough Iraq just showed the inspectors empty buildings.”[]From what I’ve been able to learn, these images have been debunked, no? I need more and better evidence.[]Trucks carrying materials, photographed from satellites, with no evidence of what was on board, isn’t proof of WMD’s.[]If true, why weren’t the convoys attacked from the air?[]Also, I understand from reading that the convoys traveled “underground,” no?[]Question: Can satellite images be photoshopped?[]In other words, you have yet to convince me – I can’t speak for anyone else.

Scott- is there anything in your post that is the truth? Condi lied her ass off. Saddam was not trying to acquire nukes, and the whole yellow cake controversy (which got Valerie Plame outed) was a dud, and Bush and his advisers knew it. The chemical weapon residues found years later were from the war with Iran, and were completely inert (chemicals, unlike plutonium, have a limited shelf life). Do you have any concept of how long it takes to make nuclear weapons, even if you have the centrifuges, the knowledge and the time? If he’d wanted nukes, he probably could have bought them from the Russians.

Susan Rice simply told what the current thinking was on Benghazi, according the information given her, and subject to changing conditions. She is not in the CIA, and probably unaware of the CIA compound just down the road from the Consulate.

Talk about low information thinkers. The Reptilian brain never ceases to amaze me.

Do you have a problem with conspiracies? The WH told the UN Ambassador (not in the chain of command) what to say on national television? How far do you have to reach and how much must you suspend critical thinking to come up with that?

@Donald Williams

Don’t ask me; I can’t follow the convoluted tangles of conservative thought.-—————————-You are assuming that “thought” is involved..I appreciate the comments made by Just Curious which listed various comments in chronological order, pointing out the complete irrationality of Mr. I’m a Troll!!!You gotta love that logic!

^You are welcome, Donald.[]I am beginning to see the futility of trying to present valid points to someone who changes position constantly when a post is called into question.[]“That’s not what I meant.” []In context, it’s feeble at best. To me, it shows a basic lack of integrity and renders one unworthy of serious consideration.:(