Jack Ohman for November 03, 2012

Unemployment just went up again. Another o promise unkept.

Colbert covered Romney’s pledge to abolish FEMA…“Right, we should make disaster relief the sole responsibility of the states. Who better to respond to what’s going on inside its own borders than the state whose infrastructure has just been swept out to sea?”……………http://americablog.com/2012/11/stephen-colbert-on-romneys-pledge-to-abolish-fema-video.html

There are three types of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Unemployment figures have been manipulated for decades. We never have true knowledge, but we can get an idea of the neighborhood.

I think we can all agree that more people being employed is a good thing. Or can we?

Quite right. Which is why we KNOW AGW is occurring — it has more evidence than nearly any scientific fact save evolution! More accurate would be to say that YOUR disbelief does not constitute…well, anything.

Science does not deal in belief but in theories which are generated by observations and carefully refined data.

True, but when you throw in a shrinking arctic ice cap, two ‘Hundred year storms’ within 22 years of one another, habitats of a large number of plants and animals inching Northward, many record highs, few record lows, AND an unprecedented rate of increase in the average temperature, you have a pretty good clue that something unusual is happening.

Of course, your belief isn’t unusual. After all, millions of people believe in the inerrant Bible. Of course, they can’t agree on which books actually make up that inerrant bible.

“As far as global warming, scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence”

No, scientific belief is “based on evidence”—otherwise, you have to take the word “scientific” out of the sentence.

If folks focus on “political climate change” and investigate the facts, they’ll find out that almost everything Mitt has come up with in the last six weeks is not only bogus, but most contradicts what he was saying when he “debated” for the primaries. When it comes to “position”, Mitt IS the “white tornado”.

What kind of jobs? Exactly. Middle class income has gone down over 3k over the last four years. How can you borrow over 7 trillion and actually make things worse. Wait until Obamacare kicks in and the middle class gets hit again. I have no idea how anybody that’s not on welfare would vote for Barry the Failure.

Of course, you offer no proof whatsoever for what you’re saying. I just love how ignorant know-nothings such as yourself think you know more than the overwhelming majority of worlds scientists who affirm that man made climate change is real.

Man is causing GW. Haven’t you seen the e-mails? Scientists find that if they fudge the numbers, by increasing this number or that, they have the proof they need. Even after the e-mails were leaked, it didn’t matter to the al gore faithful. " We only believe what they say, not what they write."

Ask James Lovelock about the theory you call reality.

Ima, your ignorance on natural and climate history seems to know no limits. Yes, there has always been climate change, but the accelerated rate at which it is happening now has no precedence in recorded human history. Science is not a religion (although some people apparently cannot tell the difference), but rather a means of understanding, and at times predicting, the physical world around us. Ironically for you, and unfortunately for most of the rest of humanity, climate change is here already and becoming increasingly more disruptive. And again, just because continental drift and oceanic deluges happened in the past does not mean that, were they to occur today, the consequences to humanity would not be enormous and very severe.

But, Ansonia, scientific belief is BASED on scientific evidence, which is why more and more scientists, from every field of research, are more and more convinced of climate change’s accelerated arrival. The reverse — climate change believers becoming climate change skeptics — is not happening.

OH, Ok so there was proof of spontaneous generation which science “believed” existed in the past. There was proof of the four humors on the human body which science “believed” existed in the past.

Nope, you misunderstood me. You said “scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence.” True. Because we HAVE scientific evidence — scads of it — we don’t need “scientific belief,” which is a bit of an oxymoron anyway. Your disbelief in AGW is based on an uninformed opinion. I can say that with assurance because (1) you have given no sign that you even understand how science works, let alone climate science, and (2) virtually every climate scientist in the world is in agreement on this point; we have a VAST amount of data. By the way, you also proved you don’t understand science with your comment on “theory.” In science, theory is not speculation. It is a comprehensive framework to explain a large amount of data — hence, the theory of relativity is not guesswork, it is based on a vast amount of data. Laypeople make this mistake all the time, because people use “theoretical” as the antonym for “real.” That’s not the way scientists use it.Your question “where’s the proof that man is causing it” also shows how little you have learned about this. Please, please, please go to the National Center for Science Education site and read some of this: http://ncse.com/climate.In brief, scientists have found that there is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temperatures; this has happened multiple times in the past through natural causes, but in this case the uptick is NOT based on natural causes, and in fact warming is occurring out of normal cycles. This warming matches exceedingly well with the increased amount of CO2 in the atmosphere generated by direct (burning fossil fuels) and indirect (deforestation) human actions. Furthermore, the proof for this is comprehensive, spanning everything from geology to atmospheric physics, with evidence from biology, archeology, ice cores, tree rings, geology, as well as the current satellite studies and air samples.

That is untrue, those were scientific theories that were believed by the scientist of the time, just as many other theories were believed, for example that the Atom was the smallest particle of matter, that was a scientific theory that was believed to be a fact for many many years. It was wrong. The earth being in the center of the solar system was believed for a time, Contrary to popular opinion today, no scientists believed the earth was flat, no educated person did, it was proven to be round in 500 B.C.

Actually we are not using it differently at all. That is the point. Scientific consensus does not mean a thing. All the items I brought up had a scientific consensus that they were true. Yet it is this consensus which is cited continuously by those supporting the man made Global Warming position. Consensus proves nothing. And questioning any and all scientific theory is good for science. The fact that this has been made political by those wanting to use the studies to legislate against business is the problematic issue raised.