Jim Morin for January 03, 2010

There are times when I think what we should do is make marriage as difficut as divorce.

Karl Rove, a usual hypocrite, much like the rest of the conservatives.

Marriage is a ridiculously outmoded idea dating back to securing the royal line by marital alliances.

I wish he would stay “private”.

churchill, let’s focus here. Karl Rove managed any number of political campaigns on the basis of “Christian morality,” including Bush’s, while in fact his own morals are ambiguous at best. He is a complete hypocrite and opportunist, like many of the Republicans he served, of course. As for his own religion, Rove says himself: “I’m not fortunate enough to be a person of faith.” Personally, I think Ken has a point, and as a liberal Catholic married to a non-Catholic, I’ve been there. My wife and I went through a process designed to help us think through our future marriage (e.g., do you want kids? Do you want them raised Catholic? Where do you want to live?) before we got married. We were very much in alignment, but it was a good process, and one couple left before it was over – which was a victory, as they had decided they were not ready.

I am probably intellectually handicapped, so please can someone please help me out here:

Where is the contradiction? What hypocrisy?

Outside of Catholicism, where its called an annulment, divorce has been accepted for almost as long as the institution of marriage exists.

It is actually Rove’s detractors who are the hypocrites - attempting to use whatever means, however feeble, to impeach this foe.

In Christ’s time it was simple, all a man had to do was tell the woman that she was no longer his wife, and send her back to her family. There are still parts of the World where this is still true.

motive spelled it out in his comment. Rove is totally opportunistic in using “religion” to advance completely political agendas. The worst thing that has happened in decades is the takeover of the” state by the church.” ”

As I told my wife while rock climbing just before we married, “I don’t believe in divorce” - long pause while she made a couple moves- “I believe in accidents”. This was about 2,000 feet up a rock face- we haven’t had a “serious” fight in 40 years, but she did stop climbing with me.

As to Rove- he is what I’d call “an accident of nature”- whose basic nature is totally lacking in morality of any sort, so who cares about his personal life? Now what he’s done TO THE REST OF US- THAT DOES MATTER!

Someday he and Goebbels, will be looking for a fan or A/C, playing cards together, or shoveling coal, if you believe such things are possible in the “after life”.

Karl breeds contempt because of his cynical pandering to the religious right. David Kuo, DD of faith based initiatives in the Bush administration touched on this in his book, Tempting Faith.

Rachel Maddow noted that Karl was not entitled to privacy because he had injected “his morality” into the personal relationships of others. Ergo, the above cartoon.

this is another good one from Morin. I do believe it is the height of hypocrisy to proclaim the sanctity of marriage and then have multiple divorces. Rove is just what he is — he is a political hack, and a successful one, who will do anything, say anything, invent anything, to “win.”

cabrobst - marriage goes back to the very first scripture of the bible, Adam and Eve, where she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone. The royal line of Henry of England was the END of it, thus the start of the C of E. Ken Warren, if you read the bible, Christ said that the practice of divorce was only approved by Moses due to the stubborness of the people of his age, and Jesus himself said that divorce was NOT allowed unless there was adultery involved. As for Rove, Clinton, Woods, Jackson, et al, I am not their judge. I canot condone their behavior, nor condemn them for weaknesses of the flesh.

I do not recall Mr. Rove ever saying divorce was sinful. However I love the comment of

dtroutma wife:

“As I told my wife while rock climbing just before we married, “I don’t believe in divorce” - long pause while she made a couple moves- “I believe in accidents”. This was about 2,000 feet up a rock face- we haven’t had a “serious” fight in 40 years, but she did stop climbing with me.”

Now, that made me laugh.

Happy New Year Everyone!

Now I get it!

It is not Roves opposition to gay marriage that makes him a hypocrite, it is his perceived opposition to divorce …gay or otherwise …

You lefties are trully brilliant!

Thanks for the enlightenment.

I’m happy to stay out of Rove’s private life if he will stay out of mine. That’s all.

^ absolutely. peter, it’s the utter hypocrisy of pontificating about how others should lead their private lives, while proclaiming their own off limits when it doesn’t live up to their own false rhetoric. But really, no one should care.

Rove is a political hack and nothing more

peter, if Rove lived by the principles he has espoused and supported, OR if he accepted the liberal stance that it is, in fact, a matter between two adults, it wouldn’t be a problem. It’s the same issue as the Republican politicians who belong to the Promise Keepers but sleep around, or who lead the way on the marriage act that specifies “man and woman” but are in fact gay - their actions do not support their values, and not in an accidental way, which happens to everyone, but in a way which makes it quite clear that their values are espoused only for political gain. You can agree or disagree with their stand, but it is clear that they are hypocrites. Rove has consciously acted as an advocate of stances he holds no brief for in his personal life, and that is why this is deserving of a political cartoon and public awareness. Not to mention the fact that he supported exposing Democrats’ private lives. Let him be hoist by his own petard.

Fairport, “If you’re against abortion, just don’t have one, but leave the law out of it.” Makes as much sense as saying:”If you’re against murder, just don’t murder anyone, but leave the law out of it.”

Motive, do you know of any specific Promise Keepers who sleep around? Do you know of any politician against gay marriage who is gay? Exceedingly unlikely, but that doesn’t stop you from a spot of wholesale slander based on pure invention.

Now Rove can get back with his secret lover, James Gannon

Ken

Good point. Did women have that same ‘choice’ available to them? I suspect not, but cannot speak with authority what the terms of marriage were

to make a point about Karl Rove. I didn’t know of his marital status, but apparently he is heading to divorce number 2? Comeon my friends on the left, lets be fair. (not to worry omQ R, you may exclude yourself from my generic, genderless ‘friends’ ;) Anyway, back to being fair. You KNOW how much you dislike Karl Rove for a number of things. Would you NOT allow Mrs. Rove a divorce from this, very-hard-to-live-with man? ~winks~

churchillwasright I agree much with what you say. Although, I am a conservative, I choose not to discuss my religious beliefs in any online forum. I will add I don’t believe in wholesale abortion, (that is, to differentiate with true life and death considerations) My stand on that has nothing at all to do with religion. No religion led me to the conclusion that most abortions today are wrong. I also believe that a moral code doesn’t necessarily require that a person has or has not religious beliefs.

I must say, the mention of Karl Rove does tend to stir up many a viceral reaction. In fairness to those on the left, I suspect that James Carville can stir up like emotions in me. Much of politics is meant to do just that.

johndh123; Rare sight these days, a moderate conservative.

ah a.c.d. and I say ‘an American hater, much like the rest of the Europeans.’ See how silly your comment and mine are by painting with that oversized paint brush?

fennec, Firstly, I am glad everything went well for you and your wife. Did Karl Rove actually say marriage is sacred, or is that the license Jim Morin uses in this cartoon? One point I will make about hypocrisy. Firstly, NO one has the corner on morality, but I see a difference with someone truly embracing such and such, and someone who does not; lives by a diferent drummer if you will. I know someone who was married 26 years before getting a divorce from his spouse. (me) If I were a politician and told one and all I believe in the importance of marriage in our society, I would be telling my true feelings. Does that make me a hypocrite? I suppose some would feel it would. Other peoples opinions are not mine to decide.

twieliczka said, about 4 hours ago

“Now Rove can get back with his secret lover, James Gannon”

Is that true twieliczka? If so, guess it’s not so secret huh?

churchill, I think it likely that advocates of “traditional marriage” include the phrase “‘til death do us part.” I don’t think Rove himself stated those things, but he orchestrated an awful lot of political campaigns for people who did, and there’s no doubt he pushed the fake “party of morality” card for all it was worth for the Republican Party.

Republicans, and particularly the conservative once are hypocrites - by definition.

For the only sure way of avoiding the label, is to stand for nothing, except maybe for man caused climate change.

Thank all of you for your posts.

Yes, Dr.Canuck, that is a fair obeservation.

thank you fennec for your response, and you are right. Even if so and so said this or that, perhaps not ‘exactly’ (I must learn how to italicize! ) word for word. As I once mentioned to Jae’da on a different matter, that such things take on a life of their own.

Thanks churchillwasright Pretty much summing up my agreement with Louis Brandeis on the most important right, is the right to be left alone.

This argument reminds me of the time Rush was caught doing Oxycontin. He tells people to respect his privacy but has no problems telling women what they should do with their bodies, putting cameras in people’s homes, and overall dive into everyone’s business.

Now I know where the right wingers get their things ideals from.

Nonsense, petergrt, the idea is to be as consistent as possible in your values and your behavior. That’s the definition of integrity: walk the talk. I know conservatives of integrity and liberals of integrity, and people on both sides of the line who are utter opportunists. Growing up liberal in NC, Senator Jesse Helms drove me bananas, but he was a man of integrity – his views were awful, but he was absolutely consistent in them and wasn’t afraid to stand up for them. He kept getting reelected because he kept his promises. On the right, Rove represents the opportunists, and, oh, say, ex-Governor Brown the same on the left. Actually, I think this applies to moderates as well. Lowell Weicker was a moderate of integrity; Bush 41 not so much, and Mitt Romney is all over the map!

motive, “ex-Governor Brown” … are you referring to Jerry Brown or another former Gov. Brown?

Jerry Brown.

^ did you know Brown is now the leading contender for the Democratic nomination for Gov? Amazing.