scott! You seem to like throwing the word godless around a lot. Here’s a question for you.
My sister is a devout Catholic, and she believes that global warming is real, and that it is caused by man. She is also a geological engineer, with a focus in hydrogeology. Like everyone in my family, she is a feminist.
Given that she attends church regularly, reads the Bible, and practices the tenants of her faith, while at the same time being all those things I mentioned; is she still a godless liberal?
^Ok, I stand corrected. THIS mindless rant takes the cake!
Scott, you are doing the same thing. You are cherry picking passages to fit your world view. You are a hypocrite and a hateful one at that.
I’m not a religious person, and certainly not a Christian, but some of the finest people I have ever known have been devout Christians. There’s a huge range of beliefs among people who call themselves Christians, but quite a few find that Christianity provides them the foundation for loving action in the world. And in recent history, I would mention just a few interesting examples – such as Miles Horton, who ran the Highlander School, Dorothy Day, who founded the Catholic Worker, to say nothing of Dr. King and the others in the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. These and many others were heroic Christians, and we all owe a lot to them. Just something to keep in mind as we read these posts.
Scott is obviously an angry and somewhat confused individual. He seems to have some difficulty distinguishing between Truth and Belief. If he is to be taken at his word it is clear that he Believes what he has read in the bible (though like acd I would suggest he is awfully selective about which passages he reads). But he assumes that because he believes what is written then that makes it the truth which is the worst sort of logical fallicy. And then he backs it up with an Argument from authority by saying well there are 2000 years to back up this belief. If he were to take that argument to it’s extreme then the Jewish religion would trump Christianity by the very fact that it predates his religion.
I did get a kick out of his comment about the herd of pigs. As I remember from Sunday School, it was Christ that drove Legion (A host of demons) out of a madman and into a Herd of pigs that threw themselves into a lake or sea. Can any of you imagine what Lisa Jackson (EPA) would have done to Christ if she caught him polluting the lake with 4000 dead pigs? :)
Scott, you need to accept that not everyone will believe the same things that you believe and that you are cherry picking the bible as well. You are entitled to your faith and your opinion of others. But you aren’t entitled, in polite society, to call them names and belittle them as people just because you don’t like their opinion (Anti-christ, Anti-life, etc.) That leads to the dehumanizing of people and that is exactly where evil grows.
Scott - I appreciate your eloquence and sound Christian apologetics, stating much more coherently than I ever could. But don’t let them get your goat! The important thing to get across is that whoever slams on Christianity is still able to turn to Him - He welcomes and forgives ALL with open arms who turn to Him in faith REGARDLESS of what they’ve said or done in the past.
toasteroven
Your post is appreciated. It shows so very well that most of us have complex, differing views, that is to say WITHIN our own minds, not as a label of our political, religious choices.
Humphries, I’ll give Ramirez this much:
In any debate the truth takes a beating. Both sides need the truth to be “on their side” when the truth is impartial.
So some discrepancy in the veracity of some documentation means that the polar bears AREN’T going extinct? Whether man is responsible for global climate change or not means that the ice caps AREN’T melting?
Scott: I think I understand what’s happening with you.
You have a latent disorder, or fear. Someone with a latent fear has desires and hopes in him that he doesn’t want to admit, so he lashes out in fear at the very thing he desires.
After reading (far too many) of your posts I realize that:
You Sir Are Latent Liberial!
Scott just give in an accept it, you will feel better.
scottfreitas said: “You have NEVER spoken one word of truth to me, or refuted anything I’ve said in defense of historical, established Christian teachings.”
Quite the contrary, I am just one of many people on these boards who have rather handily kicked your theological @$$ around repeatedly (as well as those of your ideological brethren like striper77 and IrishEddieOHara). A small sampling to jog your memory:
While we’re piling onto Scottie the Sanctimonious Sermonizer…
Glossing over his blather (about all I can withstand) knowing full well he doesn’t quite practice all that he fervently preaches (“Thou shalt not bear false witness” being just one such transgression; right, “Osama”?) …. makes that hack Hagee downright well-reasoned by comparison.
Deniers, like Ramirez, have repeatedly cited totally false, out of context, and pure bs arguments to say humans don’t influence climate, and that changing our practices will lead to unemployment, economic disaster, and well the extermination of life as we know it.
Yes, the truth has been seriously threatened by the denier arguments.
“If your sis wants to be a typical pro-abortion, self-centered feminist, and go around claiming to be Christian while no doubt condemning ME for saying and believing all the same teachings Paul, Peter, Augustine, etc believed, then so be it.”
Ha! I just noticed this. My sister is anti-abortion, son. And feminism is, quite simply, the belief that women deserve the same rights as men. No goddess stuff anywhere in there. Also, we’ve both read Augustine, and Aquinas, and CS Lewis, GK Chesterson, Erasmus, and quite a few other Christian philosophers. Their view of Christianity was as complex and nuanced as yours is narrow and well, dull.
You may well complain that I have not used specifics in this post. Well, I’ll start doing that when you do.
Scott, I’m going to try to say something and hope I’m not flamed for it. I have no doubt you are a sincere believer in Christian doctrine. My wife and I are not, but we try to respect the beliefs of others. We knew a wonderful woman who was a devout Catholic. For her, not only was Jesus real but so were the saints. She lived her faith with love for all. We became her “adopted children” (she had three of her own) and loved her as a second mother. She taught us a wonderful lesson about caring for others. She once told us, “if you love someone you open your arms and take them in. If you meet others you love you open your arms wider and take them in too. By doing that you find the more love you give the more love you have to give.” May she rest in peace, she passed away five years ago. I felt deeply honored when her daughter asked if I would be one of the pallbearers. At the point in the funeral where the casket was to be lowered, the pallbearers were asked to place their gloves on the casket. Thus a part of me is with her, just as my wife and I know she is still with us. I say all this as one who is not a Christian, and, partly out of respect for six million of my brethren who perished only because of their faith, I will remain loyal to that, while at the same time being respectful of someone else’s faith. It is mutual respect, I believe, that can help ease some of the hatred in the world, and maybe even some of the hatred posted on these editorial cartoon comments.
So how is that global warming thing going? I did not learn much about peoples opinion of the cartoon from the posts. Well, other than some people really need to get a life and start medication.
Man has proved to be able to effect the enviornment by poisoning rivers, our air, food we eat and other fun things. What is so impossible about the weather being affected. I don’t know enough about it to have feelings one way or the other but there are people who believe in this just like they did about cigarettes causing cancer. They could be correct.
Political cartoons can be funny and interesting when the issues can be stated in broad and general terms, but I find that few of the cartoons on climate change go much beyond “Yes there is” “Not there isn’t”. This cartoon certainly doesn’t do much for me.
I haven’t posted on the question of climate change because I haven’t studied the science personally and my opinion therefore doesn’t matter much. I know enough about science to know that it’s not easy. Most important scientific questions take a long time and a lot of study to solve. In this instance, some of the evidence seems pretty dramatic and obvious – such as the fast reduction in the ice caps. I suppose it’s possible, however, that this phenomenon could be part of a regular cycle rather than the result of human activity. I haven’t done the science, so I don’t know for sure. But as I read what the scientific community says, it looks pretty clear that a large majority of competent scientists agree that there is a serious problem and that human activity is partly to blame. They could be wrong – scientists do make mistakes – but a mistake of this magnitude seems unlikely. Those of us who are not climate scientists at some point have to trust someone. This should not be a blind trust, but it is trust at some level. The email scandal tested that trust. Probably the scientists in question acted wrongly. But did their misdeeds bring the whole range of research by the whole community into discredit? In my judgment, no. If there really is climate change on the scale some are suggesting, the future looks pretty grim.
Scott you just said how people where using Nazi propaganda techniques where they called their opponents liars, BUT YOU DO THE EXACT SAME THING!
You dont listen to anyone, you just call everyone a liar and a demon who is trying to mess with you and steal your soul. And by the countless posts you send out about you being attacked as a christian, leads me to believe that you are confrontational (searching for negative attention) and rationalize your opinions by calling EVERYONE else a liar.
I also assume you are protestant? And by being so, I am shocked that you would claim 2000 years of church dogma as being the founation of your belief even though one of the main TENENTS of protestantism was how the church was WRONG and tricking people into controling them.
i am going to try to make this my last post in response to Scott, because it is clear that he will NEVER listen to anyone else’s voice other than this own (and the one’s in his head).
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
Did the truth just shoot out of that bears butt?
comYics over 14 years ago
Truth be told, they cant bear it.
toasteroven over 14 years ago
scott! You seem to like throwing the word godless around a lot. Here’s a question for you.
My sister is a devout Catholic, and she believes that global warming is real, and that it is caused by man. She is also a geological engineer, with a focus in hydrogeology. Like everyone in my family, she is a feminist.
Given that she attends church regularly, reads the Bible, and practices the tenants of her faith, while at the same time being all those things I mentioned; is she still a godless liberal?
I await your answer with anticipation.
HUMPHRIES over 14 years ago
Since when has Michael Ramirez been concerned with part B ?
a.c.d over 14 years ago
^Ok, I stand corrected. THIS mindless rant takes the cake! Scott, you are doing the same thing. You are cherry picking passages to fit your world view. You are a hypocrite and a hateful one at that.
lonecat over 14 years ago
I’m not a religious person, and certainly not a Christian, but some of the finest people I have ever known have been devout Christians. There’s a huge range of beliefs among people who call themselves Christians, but quite a few find that Christianity provides them the foundation for loving action in the world. And in recent history, I would mention just a few interesting examples – such as Miles Horton, who ran the Highlander School, Dorothy Day, who founded the Catholic Worker, to say nothing of Dr. King and the others in the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. These and many others were heroic Christians, and we all owe a lot to them. Just something to keep in mind as we read these posts.
Mephistopheles over 14 years ago
Scott is obviously an angry and somewhat confused individual. He seems to have some difficulty distinguishing between Truth and Belief. If he is to be taken at his word it is clear that he Believes what he has read in the bible (though like acd I would suggest he is awfully selective about which passages he reads). But he assumes that because he believes what is written then that makes it the truth which is the worst sort of logical fallicy. And then he backs it up with an Argument from authority by saying well there are 2000 years to back up this belief. If he were to take that argument to it’s extreme then the Jewish religion would trump Christianity by the very fact that it predates his religion.
I did get a kick out of his comment about the herd of pigs. As I remember from Sunday School, it was Christ that drove Legion (A host of demons) out of a madman and into a Herd of pigs that threw themselves into a lake or sea. Can any of you imagine what Lisa Jackson (EPA) would have done to Christ if she caught him polluting the lake with 4000 dead pigs? :)
Scott, you need to accept that not everyone will believe the same things that you believe and that you are cherry picking the bible as well. You are entitled to your faith and your opinion of others. But you aren’t entitled, in polite society, to call them names and belittle them as people just because you don’t like their opinion (Anti-christ, Anti-life, etc.) That leads to the dehumanizing of people and that is exactly where evil grows.
comYics over 14 years ago
Fortunately those that hate Jesus teachings, hate the ones that believe in Jesus, and hate Jesus.
If any Good be found, Glorify God. God is the Good.
reggery over 14 years ago
Scott - I appreciate your eloquence and sound Christian apologetics, stating much more coherently than I ever could. But don’t let them get your goat! The important thing to get across is that whoever slams on Christianity is still able to turn to Him - He welcomes and forgives ALL with open arms who turn to Him in faith REGARDLESS of what they’ve said or done in the past.
JoyceBV65 over 14 years ago
Martin Luther King was a very fine christian, he was also a registered Republican
sydtaki over 14 years ago
“God is Love, and he who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him.” First John 4:16
http://www.vatican.va/holyfather/benedictxvi/encyclicals/documents/hfben-xvienc20051225deus-caritas-est_en.html
Doesn’t say anything about harboring hatred in one’s heart as a way of embracing the Christian fellowship.
johndh123 over 14 years ago
toasteroven Your post is appreciated. It shows so very well that most of us have complex, differing views, that is to say WITHIN our own minds, not as a label of our political, religious choices.
johndh123 over 14 years ago
easy there Bruce! Let’s not go overboard!
;)
Kylop over 14 years ago
Humphries, I’ll give Ramirez this much: In any debate the truth takes a beating. Both sides need the truth to be “on their side” when the truth is impartial.
PaddyJaye over 14 years ago
Scott is a methane breather!
Carolo1 over 14 years ago
SCOTT LIES -ALOT
parkersinthehouse over 14 years ago
Funny thing about feminist bashers
I had a student once who thought feminism was synonymous with lesbianism - clearly scott doesn’t know feminism
by the by, (counting mine - doh) 19 (nineteen) out of 29 (twenty-nine) posts to this toon are of, by and/or for scottfrito -
just sayin
believecommonsense over 14 years ago
Those who trumpet their strident judgment in God’s name are the most divorced from His grace.
lalas over 14 years ago
So some discrepancy in the veracity of some documentation means that the polar bears AREN’T going extinct? Whether man is responsible for global climate change or not means that the ice caps AREN’T melting?
This is a failure of “either or” argumentation.
lalas over 14 years ago
And btw… Peter, you have no response to http://www.gocomics.com/michaelramirez/2009/12/04/ ?
chromosome Premium Member over 14 years ago
I am still confused at why Christians are sometimes so reluctant to exercise responsible stewardship for God’s creation.
NoFearPup over 14 years ago
Scott should ignore (don’t respond to) the taunts from the trolls; and keep his comments short and few for my tastes…
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
Scott: I think I understand what’s happening with you.
You have a latent disorder, or fear. Someone with a latent fear has desires and hopes in him that he doesn’t want to admit, so he lashes out in fear at the very thing he desires.
After reading (far too many) of your posts I realize that:
You Sir Are Latent Liberial!
Scott just give in an accept it, you will feel better.
tpenna over 14 years ago
scottfreitas said: “You have NEVER spoken one word of truth to me, or refuted anything I’ve said in defense of historical, established Christian teachings.”
Quite the contrary, I am just one of many people on these boards who have rather handily kicked your theological @$$ around repeatedly (as well as those of your ideological brethren like striper77 and IrishEddieOHara). A small sampling to jog your memory:
http://www.gocomics.com/lisabenson/2009/11/25/ http://www.gocomics.com/laloalcaraz/2009/11/24/ http://www.gocomics.com/signewilkinson/2009/11/12/ http://www.gocomics.com/clayjones/2009/11/10/ http://www.gocomics.com/glennmccoy/2009/11/10/ http://www.gocomics.com/viewsoftheworld/2009/11/16/
Herbabee over 14 years ago
While we’re piling onto Scottie the Sanctimonious Sermonizer…
Glossing over his blather (about all I can withstand) knowing full well he doesn’t quite practice all that he fervently preaches (“Thou shalt not bear false witness” being just one such transgression; right, “Osama”?) …. makes that hack Hagee downright well-reasoned by comparison.
lelagopi over 14 years ago
God my head hurts…too much thinking to take in & not enough humor…HELP!!!
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Uh, in an effort to address the TOON!
Deniers, like Ramirez, have repeatedly cited totally false, out of context, and pure bs arguments to say humans don’t influence climate, and that changing our practices will lead to unemployment, economic disaster, and well the extermination of life as we know it.
Yes, the truth has been seriously threatened by the denier arguments.
toasteroven over 14 years ago
Ha! Didn’t mean to set that much off. At any rate, scott responded in precisely the way I expected. Well done, old boy.
As for the cartoon, the answer is C.
lelagopi over 14 years ago
HaHa-THAT is more like it toasteroven…tres’bien!
toasteroven over 14 years ago
“If your sis wants to be a typical pro-abortion, self-centered feminist, and go around claiming to be Christian while no doubt condemning ME for saying and believing all the same teachings Paul, Peter, Augustine, etc believed, then so be it.”
Ha! I just noticed this. My sister is anti-abortion, son. And feminism is, quite simply, the belief that women deserve the same rights as men. No goddess stuff anywhere in there. Also, we’ve both read Augustine, and Aquinas, and CS Lewis, GK Chesterson, Erasmus, and quite a few other Christian philosophers. Their view of Christianity was as complex and nuanced as yours is narrow and well, dull.
You may well complain that I have not used specifics in this post. Well, I’ll start doing that when you do.
rekam Premium Member over 14 years ago
Scott, I’m going to try to say something and hope I’m not flamed for it. I have no doubt you are a sincere believer in Christian doctrine. My wife and I are not, but we try to respect the beliefs of others. We knew a wonderful woman who was a devout Catholic. For her, not only was Jesus real but so were the saints. She lived her faith with love for all. We became her “adopted children” (she had three of her own) and loved her as a second mother. She taught us a wonderful lesson about caring for others. She once told us, “if you love someone you open your arms and take them in. If you meet others you love you open your arms wider and take them in too. By doing that you find the more love you give the more love you have to give.” May she rest in peace, she passed away five years ago. I felt deeply honored when her daughter asked if I would be one of the pallbearers. At the point in the funeral where the casket was to be lowered, the pallbearers were asked to place their gloves on the casket. Thus a part of me is with her, just as my wife and I know she is still with us. I say all this as one who is not a Christian, and, partly out of respect for six million of my brethren who perished only because of their faith, I will remain loyal to that, while at the same time being respectful of someone else’s faith. It is mutual respect, I believe, that can help ease some of the hatred in the world, and maybe even some of the hatred posted on these editorial cartoon comments.
toasteroven over 14 years ago
You’re right scott. All the other people here don’t upset me. Neither do you.
It’s just that they’re not nearly as much fun to mess around with. Tell, is there anything you won’t respond to with a eight paragraph long rant?
locoboilerguy over 14 years ago
So how is that global warming thing going? I did not learn much about peoples opinion of the cartoon from the posts. Well, other than some people really need to get a life and start medication.
Man has proved to be able to effect the enviornment by poisoning rivers, our air, food we eat and other fun things. What is so impossible about the weather being affected. I don’t know enough about it to have feelings one way or the other but there are people who believe in this just like they did about cigarettes causing cancer. They could be correct.
Its worth consideration.
lonecat over 14 years ago
Political cartoons can be funny and interesting when the issues can be stated in broad and general terms, but I find that few of the cartoons on climate change go much beyond “Yes there is” “Not there isn’t”. This cartoon certainly doesn’t do much for me.
I haven’t posted on the question of climate change because I haven’t studied the science personally and my opinion therefore doesn’t matter much. I know enough about science to know that it’s not easy. Most important scientific questions take a long time and a lot of study to solve. In this instance, some of the evidence seems pretty dramatic and obvious – such as the fast reduction in the ice caps. I suppose it’s possible, however, that this phenomenon could be part of a regular cycle rather than the result of human activity. I haven’t done the science, so I don’t know for sure. But as I read what the scientific community says, it looks pretty clear that a large majority of competent scientists agree that there is a serious problem and that human activity is partly to blame. They could be wrong – scientists do make mistakes – but a mistake of this magnitude seems unlikely. Those of us who are not climate scientists at some point have to trust someone. This should not be a blind trust, but it is trust at some level. The email scandal tested that trust. Probably the scientists in question acted wrongly. But did their misdeeds bring the whole range of research by the whole community into discredit? In my judgment, no. If there really is climate change on the scale some are suggesting, the future looks pretty grim.
d_legendary1 over 14 years ago
My flag button’s really getting a workout!
a.c.d over 14 years ago
Scott you just said how people where using Nazi propaganda techniques where they called their opponents liars, BUT YOU DO THE EXACT SAME THING! You dont listen to anyone, you just call everyone a liar and a demon who is trying to mess with you and steal your soul. And by the countless posts you send out about you being attacked as a christian, leads me to believe that you are confrontational (searching for negative attention) and rationalize your opinions by calling EVERYONE else a liar. I also assume you are protestant? And by being so, I am shocked that you would claim 2000 years of church dogma as being the founation of your belief even though one of the main TENENTS of protestantism was how the church was WRONG and tricking people into controling them. i am going to try to make this my last post in response to Scott, because it is clear that he will NEVER listen to anyone else’s voice other than this own (and the one’s in his head).
parkersinthehouse over 14 years ago
a whopping forty (that’s right - 40 - like 10 x 4 = forty) posts here of, by or for scrott
he likes it; he loves it; he wants some more of it