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Clay Jones for June 18, 2019

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    NeuralCapsule  5 months ago

    “The U.S. track record on ginning up evidence for war is not good,” William Church, a former military investigator for the United Nations Security Council. “It lied in the run-up to the Vietnam war [by inventing a North Vietnamese attack on a U.S. Navy ship in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964], and it lied about WMD [weapons of mass destruction] before the Iraq war. So when these tanker attacks happen, we have to ask why and what’s the motivation in addition to examining the evidence.”

    https://www.newsweek.com/intelligence-experts-question-iran-video-us-track-record-ginning-evidence-war-not-good-1444169

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    DD Wiz Premium Member 5 months ago

    Lusitania. Maine. Gulf of Tonkin. WMD’s in Iraq.

    And now John Bolton, a repeat draft-dodger turned chicken-hawk and one of the chief architects of the strategy to lie us into war in Iraq is just changing the last letter from “Q” to “N” — from IRAQ to IRAN — and going for an encore.

    Prior to invading Iraq, the National Intelligence Estimate prepared by 17 U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA, said there were no WMD’s. The Bush Administration’s own weapons inspector Scott Ritter said there no WMD, and all the conservatives like Limbaugh and Hannity ridiculed him. Karl Rove and Dick Cheney cooked up false “intelligence” (fake news) to overrule them.

    Then U.N. weapons inspectors Hans Blix and Mohammed El-Baradei said the same thing, and more trash talk from conservatives. Our long-time allies the Germans and French, who supported us after 9/11 and in the first Gulf War, were not fooled. Remember how the FRENCH were ridiculed? Remember “Freedom Fries”? Remember how the conservatives forgot how the French were our oldest and most loyal allies in every conflict dating back to the Revolutionary War, which we could not have won without them? Iraq II was the FIRST TIME the French ever called BS on us for, well, BS. Bush and Bolton lied. Ritter, Blix, El-Baradei, the French, the Germans and those who actually read the NIE were right. And now the Bolton squad is back, trying again.

    John Bolton refused to his generation’s war, which might have had some basis for justification if he was a principled conscientious objector, but he wasn’t. He supports the wars, as long as someone else goes.

    Bolton has learned that, for those who send other’s in their place and then invest in “defense contractor” industries, there is a lot of profit to be made if you offer up OTHER PEOPLE’s children as human sacrifices for oil and “defense contractor” profits.

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    Dtroutma Premium Member 5 months ago

    There are a lot of terrorist groups around the Middle East that could be the real source of the latest effort, Mossad, Saudi Arabia, ISIL, or the invaders of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, oh, wait, Bolton?

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    moosemin  5 months ago

    A little scary, Clay!

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    Zebrastripes  5 months ago

    We must not forget Rumsfield in all this…him, Cheney and Bush….supported all their contractor buddies, one being CHENEY to become richer…and they’re still there……

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    ptnjbrown  5 months ago

    I respect the skepticism of our allies regarding who attacked the ships. Our president has lied about so many things in the past.

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    pc368dude  5 months ago

    This Vietnam veteran’s tweet on Fathers Day: “Happy Fodder’s Day”.

    Here we go again.

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    Masterskrain Premium Member 5 months ago

    And since the “Maine” blew herself up, that was ANOTHER war started under false pretenses…

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    RAGs  5 months ago

    Trump and company will say (and make up) anything to get their “point” across. Look at Trump referencing the Fox Business video which was doctored to make it look like Pelosi was slurring her words to claim that she is “impaired”.

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    Masterskrain Premium Member 5 months ago

    Interesting point… The U.S. didn’t enter into WW1 until almost 2 years AFTER the Lusitania was torpedoed…

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    mourdac Premium Member 5 months ago

    The ship named ‘faith in U.S. government’, captained by Donny, crewed by Yertle and Donny’s appointees, is slowly sinking to the bottom to join these ignoble examples.

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    Alberta Oil Premium Member 5 months ago

    Governments of all flavors use propaganda to convince its people of a need to act.. America is no exception and its people are as gullible as any. And if there are any doubters.. just look at trump and the crew on Fox News.

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    Rad-ish. Premium Member 5 months ago

    The Saudis have their own Navy, they should take care of their own problems.

    Trump blamed 911 on the Saudis and now they are his best friends and he wants to give them nukes.

    Do you really trust what MBS says? How do we know the Saudis didn’t dress up as Iran and stage an attack on their own ship for propaganda?

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    Cerabooge  5 months ago

    Despite the propaganda from the Trump regime, I think Iran is probably behind the attacks. Good for them.

    Consider what’s going on here. The U.S. has cranked up the sanctions against Iranian oil, now punishing major countries that were getting a pass, to the point that Iranian oil exports have dropped by a third. That is crushing the Iranian economy. Iran has said before that “If we can’t sell our oil, no one else will be able to either”. Now look at the nature of the attacks. Ships have been damaged, but, so far as I know, no cargoes have been dumped into the Strait, and no one has died. What is the U.S. response? A massive military buildup and preparation for waging a hot war against Iran. And will Trump use nukes?

    I don’t think Iran is the bad guy here.

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    Ally2005  5 months ago

    Bolton, not Michael, wants a Gulf War III. Operation Enduring Oil Tankers.

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    kentmarx36 Premium Member 5 months ago

    The saddest part of the whole mess in the Middle East is that none of America’s traditional allies fullly trust the American version of the attacks on the oil tankers.

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    librarian4hire  5 months ago

    Small business and family farms are getting hurt by Trump’s tariffs and “easy to win” trade wars. His internal polling shows that he’d lose the 2020 election to a badly trained chihuahua.

    It wouldn’t be out of character for Cadet Bonespurs to lead from behind if he thought it would get him votes.

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    Concretionist  5 months ago

    This is why I worry a lot about this administration. This and a lot of other, not quite so immediately lethal crap.

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    CougarAllen  5 months ago

    What is the Lusitania doing here? The Lusitania really was torpedoed by a German U-Boat.

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