Chip Bok for January 28, 2022

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    Say What Now‽ Premium Member 5 months ago

    Okay Bok, you go out and catch all the covid virus you can.

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    quixotic1  5 months ago

    The numbers didn’t come from any lab.

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    RAGs  5 months ago

    Natural immunity takes a majority of the population dying off for a number of generations, but that’s okay by Bok’s way of not thinking.

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    Concretionist  5 months ago

    In fact, natural immunity AFTER BEING VACCINATED is better than either alone. Note that vaccinating after isn’t as good.

    Count on Bok to distort the truth.

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    GOGOPOWERANGERS  5 months ago

    Except its not true only in your psychopathic mind is this real

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    Patjade Premium Member 5 months ago

    Baghdad Bok peddling RW conspiracy theories as fact, and forgets to take in the immediate effects of death and hospitalizations, along with long-term effects.

    “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is not a medical stratagem.

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    A Whiz  5 months ago

    If that’s the science, and apparently it is, the vaccine is worthless for people with natural immunity. So why ignore the fact, and why not update our vaccination policies accordingly?

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    mysterysciencefreezer  5 months ago

    Even were it true, it means you’d have to get COVID to get that immunity. Why do people think that’s better than getting the shot? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

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    William Bednar Premium Member 5 months ago

    Talk about “misinformation”! This toon is so blatantly false that Chip Bok should be ashamed of himself. Natural immunity protects you against the Covid variant you caught and suffered through. If a new variant evolves, which we all know, except Chip Bok, it will, you will be just as vulnerable to that variant as as anyone else. If Chip is really claiming the CDC is saying this, let him prove it!

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    gopher gofer  5 months ago

    once again, ol’ chipper just pulls it out of his a$$…

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    @Rad-ish  Premium Member 5 months ago

    Meghan McCain fumes at ‘reckless’ Sarah Palin

    Meghan McCain called Sarah Palin “stupid, reckless and arrogant” for eating in public — not once, but twice — after testing positive for COVID-19.

    The political scion and former host of “The View” also told The Daily Mail (where she has a regular column) that she was “embarrassed” to have once called the former Alaska governor her friend after her recent anti-vax turn, a particularly biting comment given the fact that her late father, Sen. John McCain, had chosen Palin as his running mate during the 2008 presidential election.

    The entire saga began earlier this week when Palin was spotted eating out at a swanky Italian restaurant, Campagnola, on Manhattan’s Upper East Side — a confounding situation given her very public refusal of the COVID-19 vaccine and New York City’s strict vaccination rules. The very next night, she was seen at another fancy Upper East Side establishment, Elio’s, dining indoors alongside four other people.

    With public fascination concentrated on how she gained admission to both establishments, The New York Times revealed that she had tested positive just days before traveling to the city for a defamation trial against the paper, a detail that emerged when she requested that the trial’s start date be pushed back.

    A manager at Elio’s, Luca Guaitolini, later admitted to making a “mistake” in allowing Palin to dine indoors, saying that the staff was investigating and wanted “to get to the bottom of this.”

    “Is she crazy? Day two?” McCain fumed. “I haven’t seen her or talked to her for many years, aside from some short emails when my father passed, so I can’t imagine what she is thinking but this is highly irresponsible.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/stupid-reckless-arrogantmeghan-mccain-fumes-at-sarah-palin-for-dining-out-while-positive-stupid-reckless-arrogant/

    Sleazy lying Republicans ignore all rules of Public Health and spread disease everywhere.

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    @Rad-ish  Premium Member 5 months ago

    NYC mayor’s office says anyone who came across Sarah Palin during her restaurant outings should get tested for COVID-19

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nyc-mayor-s-office-says-anyone-who-came-across-sarah-palin-during-her-restaurant-outings-should-get-tested-for-covid-19/ar-AATetJS?ocid=msedgntp

    Republicans love their loud mouth obnoxious Typhoid Mary.

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    @Rad-ish  Premium Member 5 months ago

    Anti-vaxx leader who advocated drinking urine now says he doesn’t need a driver’s licence

    “The only people that need a driver’s license are truck drivers, Uber drivers, FedEx drivers,” Mr Key claimed.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christopher-key-urine-drivers-licence-b2000523.html

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    suzalee  5 months ago

    Good luck with those scarred up lungs after having Covid—-hope you don’t develop COPD in your later years.

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    The Nodding Head  5 months ago

    I’ll take the jab, thanks.

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    OldCoal  5 months ago

    CALLING ALL QUBLICANS AND VOTERS FOR THE RUMP. Given you’ve got your “proof” that this natural immunity exists, it is now your patriotic duty to get out there and get yourself exposed as often as possible. ALL THE TIME. GET IT DONE. If you hear that someone has COVID, crowd in and make sure they aren’t wearing a mask. Kiss them. A lot. Get right up in their face and inhale. Have them spit in a glass and then drink from it. GET ER’ DONE! Y’all want to get immune the “natural way” get right on it. I’m tired of this mess dragging out, that’s how you want it that’s the way to do it.

    PATRIOTIC DUTY! GET ER’ DONE ALL YOU QUBLICAN PATRIOTS!

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    davidthoms1  5 months ago

    Flat out lies don’t come from labs!

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    walfishj  5 months ago

    I may have disagreed with CB before, but before now I never thought him to unintelligent.

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    Alberta Oil Premium Member 5 months ago

    I may be wrong.. but folk can (and do) get COVID the second time.. So that natural immunity thing ain’t perfect either. But by all means runaround without a mask and hope to catch COVID.. plug up the healthcare system and prevent granny from getting her hip replaced.. you are an American afterall, with rights.. to be an idiot.

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    Stephen Runnels Premium Member 5 months ago

    Lonely cartoonist draws from information derived from Breitbart who gets their information from foxnews who gets their information from Rupert Murdoch who gets his information from Skynews who gets their information from American right-wing white nationalist radio personalities. Thus the conservative game of telephone continues.

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    Valiant1943 Premium Member 5 months ago

    Get your specimen cup and have another drink

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    StackableContainers  5 months ago

    This cartoon is an excellent example of cherry picking information. So the statement isn’t a lie, but it isn’t the entire truth.

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    Retrac Premium Member 5 months ago

    My wife and I are triple vaxxed and just recovering from mild colds that tested positive. The person who infected us is also triple vaxxed. Interesting though that otherwise healthy non-vaxxed among us are not experiencing any worse symptoms than the vaxxed.

    Drs. emphasize that those who are in the hospitals have very significant underlying health problems. Some, because of their health issues were not able to be vaccinated.

    We should all choose what we believe to be right for ourselves and stop trying to dictate to others what they should or should not do.

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    Zuhlamon Premium Member 5 months ago

    We all know that arguing with a troll is like arguing with a fun house mirror – trolls are like poltergeists that get their energy from pissing you off.

    And then there are those persons (such as MT Bill) who are like that aggrieved, bigoted, curmudgeonly uncle who watches FOX “News” all day that you have to tolerate every Thanksgiving. An appeal for sanity and reason is lost on the 20% of the population, colloquially described as the tЯц☠p “base”, who are afflicted with an inflamed and engorged basal ganglia (aka “the Reptilian Brain”), exacerbated by a self-centered sociopathic (sometimes nihilistic) ego manifested by a twisted and paranoid sense of “humor” consisting of inflicting as much pain and cruelty as possible on the other 80% of the population.

    As a consequence, they wear as a badge of honor the delusion that replaces an awareness of empirical truth and facts with what they believe to be an uncanny paranormal ability that only they see invisible conspiracies, how to simplistically “fix” problems we don’t have, in ways nobody else understands. When rejected, this causes a snowball effect of anger and grievance that only exacerbates their pathology.

    BLUF: It’s possible to saddle a moose, but ya work like hell and it only pisses off the moose.

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    Zuhlamon Premium Member 5 months ago

    P.S. Like tЯц☠p, sleaze-ball Republican politicians and right-wing pundits, this artist also panders to that aggrieved “base” who threatens all those who are not “like them”.

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    preacherman  5 months ago

    The big trouble with natural, or herd, immunity is that so many folks have to die. If we could get the lions share of the population vaxxed, we could get to herd immunity. But, your thinking, and the thinking of most of your supporters, is that vaccines are evil, so no vax, and no natural immunity. It’s your own thinking that’s killing us, Chip. The CDC was well aware of the natural immunity, but realized that so many would have to get Covid and survive, leaving so many to get Covid and die. It was better to push vaccines so people could be saved from Covid deaths in the first place.

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    kathyw Premium Member 5 months ago

    I’m sure the 5.5+ million people who have died from Covid are enjoying their natural immunity, as are the million+ dealing with long Covid.

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    lsnrchrd.1 Premium Member 5 months ago

    Reading Bok keeps me current on off-the-charts web idiocy believed by those absent critical thinking acumen. I’m afraid of irreversible brain damage I might incur if I dove waaaaaay down in there to check the “content” myself. Thanks, Chip.

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    braindead Premium Member 5 months ago

    “We WANT them infected!”

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    GiantShetlandPony  5 months ago

    Just remember, they can’t vaccinate you after you’ve been admitted to the hospital for a severe case of Covid.

    I have to wonder is Bok vaccinated? Would definitely make him spreading harmful antivax propaganda more egregious. Otherwise, perhaps he will be someday joining the list on SorryAntivaxxers, admitting they made a mistake and wishing they had gotten vaccinated right before they die from Covid. Or is he one of those so entrenched in the cult that he will deny it’s Covid that’s killing him and blame the doctors and nurses that are trying to save his life.

    Any Doctors and Nurses that have to deal with antivaxxers BS while trying to save their lives, and more so trying to save the lives of others that don’t have Covid while dealing with the idiots, have my sympathies and my deepest respect. We can’t and likely don’t thank you enough. Thank You.

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    DrPawl  5 months ago

    Bok is completely misleading us here.

    If you’ve never been infected, you have two choices:

    A. Don’t get vaccinated.

    B. Get vaccinated. Your Chances of being hospitalized with COVID are about 19.8 times lower than if you don’t get vaccinated.

    If you did (A) before and you were infected at some point, you still have two choices:

    C. Don’t get vaccinated. Your chances of being hospitalized are 55.3 times lower than they were before you were infected.

    D. Get vaccinated. Your chances of being hospitalized are 57.5 times lower then they were when you were first infected.

    Relevant text:

    During October 3–16, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates were 19.8-fold lower (95% CI = 18.2–21.4) among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, 55.3-fold lower (95% CI = 27.3–83.3) among unvaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, and 57.5-fold lower (95% CI = 29.2–85.8) among vaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis.

    Source:

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm

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    Rich Douglas  5 months ago

    Based on a lie, so not funny.

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    Daniel Mishkin Premium Member 5 months ago

    To follow up on @StackableContainers, this is a shameful distortion. Here’s what the AP said:

    “A new study released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that people who were both vaccinated and had survived a prior bout of COVID-19 were best protected from infection.

    “The study…found that unvaccinated people with a past infection were a close second. By fall, when the more contagious delta variant had taken over but boosters weren’t yet widespread, that group had a lower case rate than vaccinated people who had no past infection.”

    So: —vaccine immunization + past infection have afforded better protection than either one alone; but —past infection alone did better at the height of Delta and before vaccine-immunized people got boosters

    Leading not to the conclusion that natural immunity is better than vaccines, but that natural immunity may last longer than vaccine immunity (which is why boosters are needed) and that natural immunity + boosted immunization will likely afford the best protection.

    My conclusion is of course an inference from limited data; but unlike Bok’s, it’s not a dangerous lie.

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    Daniel Mishkin Premium Member 5 months ago

    In fairness (not to Bok, who doesn’t deserve it in this case), here’s a more nuanced (how could it not be?) critique of the CDC’s handling of questions around natural immunity and vaccines: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-high-cost-of-disparaging-natural-immunity-to-covid-vaccine-mandates-protests-fire-rehire-employment-11643214336

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    superposition  5 months ago

    The RW fatalists/defeatists willfully surrender to Covid-19 without trying to save their own lungs/lives by using orthodox peer-reviewed proven vaccines that exponentially improve their chances of avoidance/survival. This malicious disinformation-based perception is now deeply ingrained and no amount of messaging/statistics/reality will persuade them to feel otherwise. Hopefully, their children/grandchildren will be spared.

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    XtopherSD  5 months ago

    Go do some damn math, Bok. Bust out a simple Excel workbook and plug in how many hospital beds in your area, population, infection, hospitalization rates and death rates. Don’t forget to take into account your (no doubt) anti-mask stance and see how fast the hospitals in your area fill up which means, drum roll please, rationing of healthcare (death panels) and people dying at home. It’s not complicated math, you can look it up online. F*ck you to suggest I should get a deadly disease with potential long term consequences to you can scratch your “own the libs” itch.

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    calliarcale  5 months ago

    sigh The reality is it’s not that simple. The CDC hasn’t done anything to try and conceal studies comparing different types of immunity; in fact, they’ve sponsored a lot of them, and it’s factored into their advice about vaccination and how long people need to quarantine after exposure and whether and when to get boosted. (Latest advice for people who have recovered from covid is I think that they could benefit from one dose of one of Pfizer or Moderna, but only if they wait at least 90 days after recovering.) The real question isn’t which gives you stronger immunity — it’s how much immunity you can get for what level of risk. The vaccine has vanishingly tiny risks, while the disease itself kills about 2% of the people who get it and causes long term symptoms in many more. I know which one I’d prefer.

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    vsop  5 months ago

    Carelessness. Same way the virus did.

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    Scoutmaster77  5 months ago

    This is patently false.:-|

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    Duane Ott  5 months ago

    Several Chip Bok cartoons have been so buried in the black hole of obfuscation, referring to things so arcane and abstruse, that I have trouble figuring out if he has any guiding purpose to his work.

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    William Green Premium Member 5 months ago

    Natural immunity wasn’t very effective in preventing 50,000,000 deaths by the Spanish Flu in 1918 nor when over 20,000 people were afflicted by polio before the Salk vaccine was administered universally with only 10% of new cases afterward.

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    constantine48  5 months ago

    Somebody at the CDC knows mid-twentieth-century history. Whoever it is will probably be fired soon, though.

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