And tell me, just how much do you pay in insurance premiums a year? And if we were all enrolled in a healthcare system……and I mean EVERYBODY……you would probably pay 40-50percent less and maybe even beat Cuba’s life expectancy rate.
Gorrell, you know your conservative heroes gave most of our tax money to corporate interests and the rest to the military, but the thing you really, really don’t want is for taxpayer money to go for healthcare to anyone not white. Your legion proves that by the way they are treating those little brown children in cages.
The problem with Gorrell’s attempt is the we are already subsidizing the medical system. Either directly through tax dollars – like Medicare or Medicaid – or through higher insurance premiums and higher medical costs.
Health care.. should be considered like infrastructure.. Like for example roads.. available for all to use, there are some that require a toll to get to a destination sooner, but there are alternative routes that work. Some roads are better than others depending on the state or cities ability to tax. And so it could be for health care.
Republicans need to be honest with themselves and the public: If they want medicine to be truly free-market, then they have to be willing to let the next man or woman they find lying unconscious in the street remain there and die. In a truly free market, we cannot treat someone — and charge someone — without their consent and against their will. If we believe, however, that those lying there in their most vulnerable moments deserve a shot, then we need to push forward with the idea that health care, at its core, must be designed around a caring system that serves all people fairly. — an Emergency Room Physician, his article follows.
Paying insurance premiums feels a lot like paying taxes. Just transfer my premiums (and your employer’s premiums) over to taxes and eliminate the insurers’ profits and we can cover many more Americans
So, you pay more in tax, but no longer pay the higher insurance premiums for the same, or better, coverage? Yep, it is a very good deal for the people.
Actually, the “single payer” is doing fine. Medicare is the most effective cost wise healthcare program out there. Its costs, including fraud, is only around 2%, while private insurers exceed 15% costs. Though Medicare doesn’t cover everything like some private plans, there are supplements available from the private sector that will cover those expenses. So with the Medicare-for-all plan the private sector is not cut out entirely, and some company bought plans might continue for their employees.
The bottom line is there is no “free” lunch; no “free” tuition; no “free” health care; no “free” anything. Somebody pays the cost for All “free” stuff. If you think the ‘rich’ can be taxed enough to pay for all your dreams, that’s a species of delusion; if you think that we can collectively all be taxed enough to pay for eveyone’s dreams, that’s another species of delusion.
I’ve always considered insurance a profitable racket. Private insurers have statistics to know reliably about longevity, accidents, and illness and government insurance could do the same. and amortize the costs even more and as a non-profit bring the cost way down to taxpayers who now pay much more to private providers. We pay for those expensive emergency room visits by the people that think the statistics on illness/accidents magically excludes them because they believe it will never happen to them. I feel sorry for those without the family values, morals, or ethics to feel compassion for their fellow citizens as they are part being truly human.
Just when you think Gorrell and ilk can’t get any dumber. Currently the GOP tax cuts is “a Single Payer” system called the Middle Class taxpayer as billionaires (Trump) and multi-billion dollar corporations (Amazon) find ways (fraudulent property value loss claims) to pay zero income taxes.
Single payer allows people to open their own business – small businesses create more jobs than large businesses who are mainly interested in cutting employees. SP allows people to change jobs, retire before Medicare kicks in, and saves people when their job was eliminated because the 2017 tax cuts allowed companies to initiate more mergers and automate which DECREASED jobs.
Well, that is of course a lie. First because “the single payer” is in fact millions of us. Second because the thing that seems to be getting the most traction is Medicare for all which isn’t actually all that bad, but which is a lot better if you chip on about (in my case) $700 per year for an Advantage plan.
Strangely enough, when the Koch Brothers (who oppose any such thing) paid for a study, it found that “the taxpayers” on average would save money. Something like a trillion dollars or so every 10 years if I recall correctly. The losers under that system would be the obscene profits to health insurance stockholders and managers. And about half the clerks who currently make a living by navigating the bureaucratic intricacies of the non-system that we have now.
We’ve been seeing an ad on TV the last few days explaining to us how horrible such a plan would be: How wait times to see the doctor would go from days to months, how the quality of care would plummet, etc. Great, deep sincere voices. Flat lies. “They” are starting to run scared!
I grew up in Pontiac Michigan, my dad was an autoworker. He used to call GM “Generous Motors”. GM paid tons of medical bills for my family, to include a mountain of cancer bills at the end of his life. Bills which would have destroyed his wife.
Think of the impact on GM and all the other corporations if their health insurance burden was lifted and shifted to the government. Yes, we still require them to contribute, but it is no longer the liability to their bottom line, instead it is a tax bill.
We can do this. It can work. We just have to find a way to pacify the cowards until it’s their baby or grandma dieing of cancer and then maybe they’ll feel differently.
We already have Single Payer, it is just very inefficient. Currently when the uninsured in the U.S. have a medical problem they go to the E.R. There they get whatever care it takes to get them out the door. If they can’t pay the exorbitant fees charged that debt gets absorbed in the billing for those of us who do have care. Thus the uninsured get crappy care and those of us with insurance get ever higher bills. The ACA was an attempt at a market solution wherein all comers would get coverage and pay whatever they could pay. But even that was too much for the Cons and so they tear away at it. Next look for the logical solution from them of allowing hospitals to refuse patients and then only those who can pay will get treated. Conservative nirvana, the poor dying in greater numbers and thus not getting hand-outs.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Which means the Rump, Amazon, and other companies and ultra rich people that don’t pay taxes won’t be paying.
mr_sherman Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Gorrell would prefer our taxes go to killing brown people half a world away.
Darsan54 Premium Member almost 5 years ago
And tell me, just how much do you pay in insurance premiums a year? And if we were all enrolled in a healthcare system……and I mean EVERYBODY……you would probably pay 40-50percent less and maybe even beat Cuba’s life expectancy rate.
hermit48 almost 5 years ago
Who do you think is paying now?
Say What Now‽ Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Ask us Canadians how we feel about our taxes going to universal healthcare. We are just fine with it.
walfishj almost 5 years ago
Gorrell, you are one brain-washed dude. Only you wash in dirty water.
suzalee almost 5 years ago
Who do you think pays for insurance now? The tooth fairy?
Stephen Runnels Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Gorrell, you know your conservative heroes gave most of our tax money to corporate interests and the rest to the military, but the thing you really, really don’t want is for taxpayer money to go for healthcare to anyone not white. Your legion proves that by the way they are treating those little brown children in cages.
thelordthygod666 almost 5 years ago
The problem with Gorrell’s attempt is the we are already subsidizing the medical system. Either directly through tax dollars – like Medicare or Medicaid – or through higher insurance premiums and higher medical costs.
Zebrastripes almost 5 years ago
I don’t think soooo! When I need help I want it now not in 6 months.
William Bednar Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Good one, Bob!
RAGs almost 5 years ago
Gorrell must mix methamphetamine and LSD to create so many WRONG “cartoons”.
JHayes almost 5 years ago
Gorrell would be fine with single payer if it meant that America only had one insurance company. Because to conservatives Monopolies are Good!
Alberta Oil Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Health care.. should be considered like infrastructure.. Like for example roads.. available for all to use, there are some that require a toll to get to a destination sooner, but there are alternative routes that work. Some roads are better than others depending on the state or cities ability to tax. And so it could be for health care.
Lyman Elliott Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Republicans need to be honest with themselves and the public: If they want medicine to be truly free-market, then they have to be willing to let the next man or woman they find lying unconscious in the street remain there and die. In a truly free market, we cannot treat someone — and charge someone — without their consent and against their will. If we believe, however, that those lying there in their most vulnerable moments deserve a shot, then we need to push forward with the idea that health care, at its core, must be designed around a caring system that serves all people fairly. — an Emergency Room Physician, his article follows.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/opinion/health-insurance-free-market.html
And a report about the probable savings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mw1-KGCQg
The report quoted in this video clip is at:
https://www.peri.umass.edu/publication/item/1127-economic-analysis-of-medicare-for-all
Click on the Read PDF icon if you wish to read the entire report which is over 200 pages.
brwydave Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Paying insurance premiums feels a lot like paying taxes. Just transfer my premiums (and your employer’s premiums) over to taxes and eliminate the insurers’ profits and we can cover many more Americans
ncorgbl almost 5 years ago
So, you pay more in tax, but no longer pay the higher insurance premiums for the same, or better, coverage? Yep, it is a very good deal for the people.
preacherman almost 5 years ago
Actually, the “single payer” is doing fine. Medicare is the most effective cost wise healthcare program out there. Its costs, including fraud, is only around 2%, while private insurers exceed 15% costs. Though Medicare doesn’t cover everything like some private plans, there are supplements available from the private sector that will cover those expenses. So with the Medicare-for-all plan the private sector is not cut out entirely, and some company bought plans might continue for their employees.
Holden Awn almost 5 years ago
The bottom line is there is no “free” lunch; no “free” tuition; no “free” health care; no “free” anything. Somebody pays the cost for All “free” stuff. If you think the ‘rich’ can be taxed enough to pay for all your dreams, that’s a species of delusion; if you think that we can collectively all be taxed enough to pay for eveyone’s dreams, that’s another species of delusion.
locoboilerguy almost 5 years ago
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
Radish the wordsmith almost 5 years ago
Republicans demand that only the rich get health care, it should be a human right.
superposition almost 5 years ago
I’ve always considered insurance a profitable racket. Private insurers have statistics to know reliably about longevity, accidents, and illness and government insurance could do the same. and amortize the costs even more and as a non-profit bring the cost way down to taxpayers who now pay much more to private providers. We pay for those expensive emergency room visits by the people that think the statistics on illness/accidents magically excludes them because they believe it will never happen to them. I feel sorry for those without the family values, morals, or ethics to feel compassion for their fellow citizens as they are part being truly human.
ndblackirish97 almost 5 years ago
Just when you think Gorrell and ilk can’t get any dumber. Currently the GOP tax cuts is “a Single Payer” system called the Middle Class taxpayer as billionaires (Trump) and multi-billion dollar corporations (Amazon) find ways (fraudulent property value loss claims) to pay zero income taxes.
walkingmancomics almost 5 years ago
Ah Mr. Gorrell, clearly you don’t understand a word of it.
Nantucket Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Single payer allows people to open their own business – small businesses create more jobs than large businesses who are mainly interested in cutting employees. SP allows people to change jobs, retire before Medicare kicks in, and saves people when their job was eliminated because the 2017 tax cuts allowed companies to initiate more mergers and automate which DECREASED jobs.
Concretionist almost 5 years ago
Well, that is of course a lie. First because “the single payer” is in fact millions of us. Second because the thing that seems to be getting the most traction is Medicare for all which isn’t actually all that bad, but which is a lot better if you chip on about (in my case) $700 per year for an Advantage plan.
Strangely enough, when the Koch Brothers (who oppose any such thing) paid for a study, it found that “the taxpayers” on average would save money. Something like a trillion dollars or so every 10 years if I recall correctly. The losers under that system would be the obscene profits to health insurance stockholders and managers. And about half the clerks who currently make a living by navigating the bureaucratic intricacies of the non-system that we have now.
We’ve been seeing an ad on TV the last few days explaining to us how horrible such a plan would be: How wait times to see the doctor would go from days to months, how the quality of care would plummet, etc. Great, deep sincere voices. Flat lies. “They” are starting to run scared!
Durak Premium Member almost 5 years ago
I grew up in Pontiac Michigan, my dad was an autoworker. He used to call GM “Generous Motors”. GM paid tons of medical bills for my family, to include a mountain of cancer bills at the end of his life. Bills which would have destroyed his wife.
Think of the impact on GM and all the other corporations if their health insurance burden was lifted and shifted to the government. Yes, we still require them to contribute, but it is no longer the liability to their bottom line, instead it is a tax bill.
We can do this. It can work. We just have to find a way to pacify the cowards until it’s their baby or grandma dieing of cancer and then maybe they’ll feel differently.
Gary Williams Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Ask Scandinavia, the Netherlands and other European countries as well.
Plumb.Bob Premium Member almost 5 years ago
We already have Single Payer, it is just very inefficient. Currently when the uninsured in the U.S. have a medical problem they go to the E.R. There they get whatever care it takes to get them out the door. If they can’t pay the exorbitant fees charged that debt gets absorbed in the billing for those of us who do have care. Thus the uninsured get crappy care and those of us with insurance get ever higher bills. The ACA was an attempt at a market solution wherein all comers would get coverage and pay whatever they could pay. But even that was too much for the Cons and so they tear away at it. Next look for the logical solution from them of allowing hospitals to refuse patients and then only those who can pay will get treated. Conservative nirvana, the poor dying in greater numbers and thus not getting hand-outs.
NeoconMan almost 5 years ago
Gorrell is right; if America goes to a single payer system, the taxpayer will have to pay for health care.
(Uh, who pays for it now…?)