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  1. Anthony 2816

    Anthony 2816 GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    Could the righties on here explain these things for me, so I can understand your position better? I’m posting this on a fifth thread because on the prior four I got zero answers. I didn’t think they’d be that difficult to answer.

    1. Why do you want insurance companies to be able to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions?

    2. Why is it bad to require insurance companies to spend at least 80% of insurance premiums on actual health care, as opposed to executive salaries and bonuses?

    3. Why is it bad for dependents to be able to stay on their parents’ policy until age 26, instead of making them get more expensive care at a younger age?

    4. Why do you like lifetime insurance caps?

    5. Why is it better to have millions of people uninsured who then use emergency rooms for routine care, costing far more?

    Thanks in advance for explaining these things, so we can understand why you hate Obamacare so much.

  2. Brutatowski

    Brutatowski said, 11 months ago

    @Anthony 2816

    Everything does not have to be about hate. Some of us simply disagree with come of the concepts. Harry Reid himself said that it is a first step toward a single payer system. the same systems that have failed people in other parts of the world. It’sa good system if you are relatively healthy, but we’re afraid of what we are seeing in those systems like six weeks’ wait for an mri.
    1. Insurance companies are private companies that operate on – shock of all shocks – a profit. Asking them to cover you for cancer treatment after you’ve been diagnosed is like asking a car insurance company to sign you up for collision after you’ve crashed your pick-up into a lamborghini. This is a legitimate area for the government to be involved by covering these people through medicare, or giving the insurance companies a tax break on it so that they do not have to pass the cost on to the rest of their customers.
    2 Resarched this. Cannot find reliable information on it, though some states do have laws that regulate already.
    3 Decent thing to do with the economy still tanking and insuracne being so expensive. However, there should have been some effort to see if there was a way that the insurance industry itsself could get the cost down.
    4 shouldn’t be lifetime insurance caps. Most of us don’t agree with that. If I’m going to take the gamble and buy it, they should take the gamble that I might need more than what they are expecting.
    5 Nobody wants millions uninsured. The emergency room abuse has been going on for years. It’s part of the fraud that they were supposed to weed out first. There are ambulance companies in Atlanta who report that they pick people up complaining of severe headaches or chest pains. They want to go to a particular hospital downtown and then when they get there the people don’t want to go in and walk away. They are simply using it as a free cab ride.
    Our biggest disagreement is that the government is now powerful enough to tell us that we have to buy something. The second thing is that a lot of groups who campaigned for it were then given excemptions. A lot of Democrats, like Nancy Pelosi, who fought hard for it, are handing out exemptions to well connected companies. If the healthcare law was so great they would have told these people to go pound sand and abide by the law. lastly, the taxes are going to hit hard. Not just the rich and it will increase the cost of healthcare because someone has to pay for that as well.
    Those of us of the libertarian ilk don’t really blame Obama or the democrats, we blame the republicans. The Democrats have been talking about getting socialized medicine in this counttry since the seventies. The Republicans could have done something while they were in power, such as increase the amount of healthcare costs you can write off on your taxes. Tax credits for getting a policy, etcetera, and they did nothing.
    People on both sides have adequate reasons for liking it or disliking it. Also, we don’t have the money. It was sold as a program that would pay for itself, based on a 9% growth in the economy. Ain’t happening.
    I am still researching it, as all americans should be doing. Picking up a book from the library today so I can learn more.

  3. Anthony 2816

    Anthony 2816 GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @Brutatowski

    First, thank you for your thoughtful reply (the only one I’ve received). Some thoughts:

    1. There’s a difference between denying coverage and charging extra for it. Comprehensive car insurance will be higher if you keep your car in a high-crime area…but it isn’t refused.

    “Our biggest disagreement is that the government is now powerful enough to tell us that we have to buy something.”

    Ignoring the state-vs-federal issue, is that really all that different from me being required to buy car insurance? Or pay for a fire department that I’ve never used? Or having my tax dollars used to celebrate a religion I have no use for?

    "Also, we don’t have the money. "

    We didn’t have the money for the existing system, whose costs were spiraling out of control. I don’t see this as any worse, especially if it alleviates the emergency room abuse.

    We actually don’t seem that far apart. I completely agree with you about the need for educating people about it, which is something the Republicans have also fought against…the success of which was demonstrated by Jimmy Fallon, of all people:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/whats-the-difference-between-obamacare-and-the-affordable-care-act-video/

    The fact that people can hate “Obamacare” but love the “Affordable Care Act” is telling.

  4. Zuhlamon

    Zuhlamon said, 11 months ago

    Good to read the dialog posted above. So much more enlightening than the typical troll posts.

  5. eugene57

    eugene57 said, 11 months ago

    @Zuhlamon

    agreed.

  6. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    Thanks of reasoned questions and response above!. Brutatowski: I know folks from several “single payer” systems, and none say they’ve been “failed”, though improvements ARE still possible. For example: my daughter is an RN and they moved to New Zealand several years ago. Her biggest “negative” might be that they still need to do more in PREVENTATIVE CARE down there. A very GOOD thing is that REAL medical need is met, and met quickly and to high quality. PERSONAL choice, not medically necessary care, like facelifts and purely cosmetic elective procedures must bee paid by supplemental insurance, or the patients themselves, this helps keep costs down.

  7. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @Brutatowski

    Have to echo the comments contributing to the dialogue.
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    You’ll notice, though, Republicans/Fox “news” viewers have not made those kinds of contributions.

  8. Anthony 2816

    Anthony 2816 GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @braindead08

    “You’ll notice, though, Republicans/Fox “news” viewers have not made those kinds of contributions.”

    Has Fox News ever told its viewers about the parts of the ACA that I put in the questions in the original post? I’m guessing that the average Fox viewer doesn’t even know about them.

  9. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @Anthony 2816

    Why would they want to do that?
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    Fox “news” viewers have been conditioned to hate Obama and everything about him, his family, his party, everything.
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    So for Fox “news” viewers, the name ‘Obamacare’ is all they need to know. If it’s associated with Obama, it is by definition evil.
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    And Fox “news” viewers are not at all inclined to acquire any additional information that they don’t need.

  10. Anthony 2816

    Anthony 2816 GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @braindead08

    They’re the ones that hate Obamacare, but think the Affordable Care Act sounds pretty good.

  11. Ransom D Stone

    Ransom D Stone said, 11 months ago

    Where are the Trolls today? Send in the Trolls! Don’t worry they will soon appear.

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