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  1. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 said, 2 months ago

    Maybe it is time for Japan to release the shackles the US put on it after World War 2 and become a nuclear power as it almost was in 1945.

  2. Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished."

    Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished." GoComics PRO Member said, 2 months ago

    @Night-Gaunt49

    The Japanese were further away from being a nuclear weapon than the Germans…. and the Germans weren’t even close.

  3. MangeyMoose

    MangeyMoose GoComics PRO Member said, 2 months ago

    @Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished."

    Not from what I’ve read.
    The Japanese army AND navy had separate nuclear programs underway. In 1944, as the war was inching toward the Mainland, Tojo ordered both to collaborate, and speed things up.
    In the spring of 1945, they had a feasable design. It did not have the explosive force of our uranium and plutonium bombs; it was a uranium-based “dirty bomb”. They were short of uranium. As Germany was being crushed by the Russians, Brits and Americans, and they knew they could not develop their bomb in time, the sent a large quantity of it, via U-Boat, to their Japanese ally. The U-Boat left late April 1945 (with a dis-assembled ME262, and 2 Japanese officers on board) to begin the journey. While at sea, Hitler offed himself, Doenitz took over, stalled several days and surrendered. He sent out a signal to all his U-boats at sea to surrender at the nearest Allied port.

    This sub was nearest to Halifax, Nova Scotia. U.S. intelligence somehow got wind of the fact that this sub had something valuable on board, and, first, one of our Coast Guard Cutters met it, quickly followed by a navy destroyer, which escorted it to the sub base at Portsmouth NH.

    Upon arrival, the German captain informed the base commander what he had on board, and his destination. Oppenheimer himself flew out to NH, inspected the uranium, and it was quickly, secretly taken by express freight train to Los Alamos. You know the rest.

    BUT, the Japanese were so far advanced, that they were only awaiting the arrival of the uranium, and they could, within THREE WEEKS, have assembled THREE dirty bombs. These were to be loaded into three aircraft-carrying super-submarines. Their targets? The Panama Canal, San Francisco, and the navy yards in Bremerton Washington State.

    If the German sub commander was a rabid Nazi, and went ahead to complete his mission, Japan could, if all went smoothly, have delivered these weapons BEFORE August 1945. It was DAMN CLOSE!

  4. Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished."

    Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished." GoComics PRO Member said, 2 months ago

    @MangeyMoose

    No, it was not even close. Don’t believe everything you read.

    Read the wikipedia article
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program

    Unprocessed uranium is mostly U-238. And even with the small amounts of U-235 naturally found in uranium ore, neither are really that good as a radiological weapon. The half-lifes are too long. Radium would do quite well. And other materials.

    But you need the facilities to produce them, which means you need good neutron sources, etc.

    And I find the story of Oppenheimer going to see for himself to be nonsense. There were far more capable people on the Manhattan Project for that task. People who actually worked hands-on with the materials.

    So I call that fantasy spun off of a very few facts.

  5. omQ Release the Desaparecidos

    omQ Release the Desaparecidos said, 2 months ago

    Well seasoned squab, just needed a little heat. China provided that!

  6. MangeyMoose

    MangeyMoose GoComics PRO Member said, 2 months ago

    @Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished."

    I read your Wiki-link. Thanks. This is not the first time I have read diametrically opposed histories.

    I live near Portsmouth NH, and have seen photos, and read many other articles over the years about the German sub, it’s cargo, and how Oppenheimer came there. The rest? How close was Japan? I guess I’ll have to keep reading.

  7. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, 2 months ago

    @MangeyMoose

    I bet you watch a lot of the (re)History Channel. (I do also, but I check their facts afterward. They often fail.)

  8. MangeyMoose

    MangeyMoose GoComics PRO Member said, 2 months ago

    @churchillwasright

    I do, but I read much more.

  9. Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished."

    Baslim the beggar says, "Vanished is not vanquished." GoComics PRO Member said, 2 months ago

    @MangeyMoose

    Not sure that anyone is still reading this, but I did find a web site which had some information… and some misinformation… about the sub U234.

    http://www.ussvance.com/Vance/nazisub.htm

    First let me shoot down the Oppenheimer connection. The story of the second officer is just silly. First. Oppenheimer was not widely known until after the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So the idea that someone at the naval base in Virginia recognizing Oppenheimer would be small. This is just the kind of fabrication that gets thrown into such tales. And as I pointed out, Oppenheimer would not have been the one on scene.

    Regarding the uranium. As I said, it was not bomb grade material. If the shipping boxes were labeled U235, then it was most likely as suggested in the wikipedia article, that someone got the sub’s number wrong.

    First, the Germans had no way to refine serious quantities of uranium to enrich it.

    Second, if the material were enriched, then sending such quantities in a steel submarine would have resulted in a criticality event when the material was loaded. Bright flash, lots of deadly radiation, dead people. Putting enriched material in a close proximity in a steel container will do that.

    The Japanese, like the Germans, did not have a Manhattan project, part of which involved large facilities for enrichment, either by gaseous diffusion or Cal-u-tron centrifuge systems (later chosen by Saddam and the Iranians for their enrichment programs).

    So, as I said, no small amount of fiction added to some facts.

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