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  1. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, about 4 years ago

    Heard a girl on the radio who was born in the USA and raised in China. She had just voted for the first time and had voted for Obama because “he was cute.” She was then looking forward to voting in the Chinese elections. There is an industry in our country where women from other nations come to our country until they have their baby, then they return to their home country. Eighteen years later, a young adult who may have not been in our country since their birth is able to send in an absentee ballot and vote for people and on issues for which they have little knowledge. It is not just the Chinese, there are a number of countries doing this.
    I am wondering if we need to take another look at our laws making infants of foreign nationals automatic citizens. Maybe a clause on entrance visas waiving automatic rights to the infants born to women who are pregnant on arrival. It just seems wrong that a person can be born here and then never spend any time with Americans, or learn anything about America, and still have a voice in our political system. Immigrants have to take classes and learn about America before they can vote. I don’t know what needs, or even if anything should, be done. I just know I find this situation uncomfortable.

  2. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, about 4 years ago

    @Respectful Troll

    How about a more moderate proposal that would state that even if a person is born here, they must have been a resident of the USA for at least half of their life times (or even a decade at the least) before they become eligible to vote in our elections?

    This would at the very least :give them some skin in the game" as the saying goes?

  3. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, about 4 years ago

    @Robert Landers

    @ Michael wme too.
    Thank you for the replies,
    I said I don’t know what should be done or if, under our Constitution, it should be done. However, I would love to see as many thoughts on it as possible. It could be this is one of those ‘impossible’ issues I have mentioned in other posts and I should just not think about it.
    But I would like to hear the opinions of others on this.
    Michael, are you sure you didn’t mean to say 0.56% of my posts are reasonable? I was recently informed there might be horsepoop in them. :D
    Respectfully, with another weak attempt at humor.

  4. omQ R

    omQ R said, about 4 years ago

    @Respectful Troll

    I don’t think there is a significant number of these babies being born in the USA so I doubt they could affect your elections one way or the other. However, I understand the ‘anomaly’
    I suppose my daughter fits the description you bring up. My 4 yr old daughter just recently moved to Austria. She’s British because she was born in Britain, but only because I had been living in the UK for at least 5 years prior with the equivalent of ‘Leave to Remain’. All other EU member states are free to travel to other member states to live and work and thus automatically have this ‘leave to remain’ – ‘leave’ in this instance meaning permission! New, rather, latest members are now being subject to caveats though.
    Very, very few countries like the USA now allow babies born in a country to automatically obtain that country’s nationality through jus soli – ’ right of the soil’. It’s usually conditional.
    At any rate, if my daughter now ignores all matters British, except elections, she could in theory also vote for certain British elections without having some ‘skin in the game’. Better yet, she’s also obtained South African & Portuguese nationalities through ‘Jus sanguinis’ – right of blood. She could also, in theory, vote in some of their elections without some ‘skin in their games’. But really, how many people are in the same category as my daughter and the girl you heard on the radio?

    That said, I don’t think it illiberal to suggest setting up a condition for the cases you bring up, i.e. tourists’ children shouldn’t be able to obtain citizenship through ‘jus soli’.
    The trouble is, of course, the other cases that is dear to conservatives hearts :babies born to undocumented migrants.
    My mother was 7 months pregnant when she entered South Africa. My eldest brother was born in SA without having its citizenship automatically given to him as my parents hadn’t yet received their ‘permanent resident’ status yet.
    But they were documented. Later, when they did obtain it and my other siblings and I were born, we were automatically given SA citizenship.

    In your country undocumented migrants are a political hot potato and it is effectively disenfranchisement if you change your legislation now to affect the status of their children born in the USA.

  5. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, about 4 years ago

    @omQ R

    Dear Omq R,
    Thank you for the excellent post. You provide the kind of feedback I seek to make up my own mind.
    The only thing I would offer to you is the story on tv news that first alerted me to this concern.
    I hope you find this interesting.
    Thank you for your excellent reply and some insight on how other nations deal with this matter.

  6. dannysixpack

    dannysixpack said, about 4 years ago

    there are many foreign citizens that live here, work here, own property here, pay taxes here. Since the bulk of our votes has to do with taxes and what they’re used for, don’t you think that these legal, legimtimate foreign citizens that carry their weight deserve some kind of representation for their tax dollars and loyalty?

  7. Cynthia

    Cynthia GoComics PRO Member said, about 4 years ago

    Funny, I heard a story like that, American mothers coming to give birth in Canada so their kid wouldn’t have to serve in the American army later.

  8. dannysixpack

    dannysixpack said, about 4 years ago

    ^and since corporations are people too, with free speech, shouldn’t we be sponsoring a constitutional amendment to give corporations a vote, perhaps even more than one vote. it might be time for one man/one vote to go. with a third candidate running it doesn’t even work.

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