Tony Auth by Tony Auth

Tony Auth

Comments (55) (Please sign in to comment)

  1. RussellNash

    RussellNash said, over 5 years ago

    If they really only wanted fewer abortions, sex-ed would have a much larger emphasis on birth control, and birth control would be heavily subsidized for the poor.

  2. iangoodson

    iangoodson said, over 5 years ago

    A big fat lie. Abortions skyrocketed AFTER legalisation and women still die. Now the West has an aging society. Ooops, we killed the kids! Now the remaining kids want to kill (euthanase) the old. They learned the lesson well. Now that’s collateral damage!

  3. Craig Linder

    Craig Linder said, over 5 years ago


    Ian, I hope you don’t really believe that. But just in case you do


    It is almost impossible to determine whether the abortion rate went up significantly on a per capita basis following its legalization because when it was illegal there was no way to track the number of abortions and there was a rather strong disincentive to tell the truth if you did have one. I checked several websites to try and find good data on it and it was very difficult to get anything approaching a definitive answer.


    I know of no evidence to support your contention that our declining birthrates are due to abortion, but do know of several comparative studies that indicate rather strongly that wealth and education cause individuals to reduce their birthrate independently of abortion rate. The better educated a population, in particular, the women of that population, the more likely they are to voluntarily lower their birthrate, especially if they have access to birth control. Abortion rates tend to drop under those conditions because, there are far fewer unplanned pregnancies.


    As for the youth wanting to euthanize the older generation, you’ll have to provide the evidence for that.

  4. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, over 5 years ago

    @Craig Linder

    Thanks for that, Craig.

    On a historical note: early term abortions were legal and acceptable in Europe from ancient times. Even the Roman Catholic Church held that the soul did not enter the body until the infant “quickened” or began noticeably to move.

    Even then, unwanted children were abandoned by the ten thousands. There were convents in France with revolving doors were infants could be left anonymously. The nuns would then raise the “foundlings” — the problem was that the neonatal care provided by the nuns, though well-meaning, resulted in the death within a few months of 95% of these children.

    Infant mortality is still higher in this country than in any other “developed” country, and single motherhood is still a formula for life-long poverty in most cases.

    There is too idealization of “the good old days” when abortions were performed on back rooms, when “shot-gun” weddings and the difficulty of divorce made marriage a prison and misery for millions, when the elderly were the poorest segment of the population, when most people worked till they died, and paid sick-time, vacations, and retirement were only for the well-to-do.

    In a perfect society, there would be no abortions, as there would be no prisons, no poverty, no wars. But in the real world, all we can do is strive to reduce the number of abortions, the need for prisons, the cruelty of wars, and ease the burdens of poverty.

    I have no objection to propaganda that encourages women to seek other options. I greatly object when that propaganda is forced down their throats by the power of the government and the law.

    Abortions are always tragic, and sometimes unnecessary and uncalled for. But those who wish to ban them altogether seem to me to be moral absolutists, who don’t give a damn about human suffering, but only about their self-righteous moral superiority and their desire to control the lives of others.

  5. cdward

    cdward said, over 5 years ago



  6. cdward

    cdward said, over 5 years ago

    For what it’s worth, not that iangoodson would listen…
    The WHO did studies that show: “A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.”

  7. grayhares01

    grayhares01 said, over 5 years ago


    Of course the fact that there are less unwanted kids has lead directly to less crime.
    But don’t let the facts get in the way…

  8. Simon_Jester

    Simon_Jester said, over 5 years ago

    Also worth noting is that the Tea-Bag Repubilcans campaigned on a promise of job creation. and once they got itn, they bagged that promise and made anti-choice legislation their priority instead.

    Just like us Liberals said they would. Gonna listen to us next time, Moderates?

  9. pavlov

    pavlov said, over 5 years ago

    It takes two consenting adults to conceive( excluding rape), it takes one adult to decide to abort. A man has no say if a woman decides to abort, however if the woman chooses to have the child she can take the man to court and demand child support and if he gets behind he can go to jail ( exclude married couples). Causing undo hardship on the man who had no input on the decision to have or abort the child.

  10. Chrisnp

    Chrisnp said, over 5 years ago

    Still tripping over that one intellectual hurdle, Clark? By your logic, we would need separate courts for just about everything based on the judge’s gender, race, and orientation and life experiences. Also, the Whitehouse couldn’t have been able to issue a statement about racial justice until the Obama administration. The reason men have strong opinions (both pro and con) is that this is more than a women’s issue, it’s a societal issue. Whether or not we allow abortion (in some or all cases) in this country says volumes about what we as a nation value. One value most of us cherish is the right to share our opinions and beliefs, even the ill-considered and downright silly ones. Thank you for sharing.

  11. beenthere240

    beenthere240 said, over 5 years ago

    If you’re really worried about the birthrate, just make oral contraceptives illegal - a schedule 1 drug like heroin. No problemo.

  12. SaltWaterCroc

    SaltWaterCroc said, over 5 years ago

    Republican assumptions: the man is never part of this, women must have children, but neither the woman nor the child should have health care, children are important, but if they can’t afford private education, good luck. And anyone who disagrees with us or tries to take away our Viagra is a murderer.

  13. Chrisnp

    Chrisnp said, over 5 years ago

    Interesting Gallop poll. Apparently we are still pretty closely split on the abortion issue, and apparently one’s gender and age do not determine where someone stands on the issue. Men were 49% pro-choice, and women 50%; 46% of men identified as pro-life, and 44% of women. The big split was politics (well, duh) pro-choice Republicans, 28%, independents, 51%, Dems 68%; pro-life Rep. 67%, indep. 41%, Dems 27%.

  14. annamargaret1866

    annamargaret1866 said, over 5 years ago

    “The Story of Jane: The Legendary Underground Feminist Abortion Service”
    by Laura Kaplan

  15. jack75287

    jack75287 said, over 5 years ago

    Collateral Damage hey. Well what about the collateral damage of having how many abortions sense Roe Vs Wade. Listen I don’t want to tell you, just do a google search that’s all I am asking.

  16. Load 15 more comments. | Load the rest (40).