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   toasteroven said, 23 days ago

   You know, I’ve seen what LBJ looked like, and I’m pretty sure he didn’t look like Grandpa Munster.

   Ok, maybe he looked a bit like Grandpa Munster. But not this much.

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   Ken Warren said, 23 days ago

   I like this cartoon even though I don’t know what it means. Has Biden said we should get out of Afghanistan and I missed it, or is it just reminder of how Vietnam destoryed Johnson (and over 55,000 Americans) and all of his plans and programs.

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   scottfreitas said, 23 days ago

   Well, Osama IS behaving towards Afghanistan in much the same fashion as LBJ behaved towards Vietnam…

   /shrug

   As if people like me are SURPRISED by this…

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   Jase99 said, 23 days ago

   Ken, I think it’s the reminder. Ask most people to sum up Johnson in one word and your answer is most likely to be Vietnam.

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   ray32648 said, 23 days ago

   People so ignorant they don’t know the name of the POTUS, Scott? Your fair and balanced is showing.

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   algurka said, 23 days ago

   LBJ’s looking too fat in that picture. As for Obama’s policy in Afghanistan, it’s looking like Hitler’s policy after he attacked Russia and when the tide turned, his armies were trapped and suffering and asking for reinforcements. Hitler’s reply was to stay and fight to the end. No retreat.

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   HUMPHRIES said, 23 days ago

   Do scotty and ANandy hold hands in their own little magic world ?

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   P.J. Liggett said, 23 days ago

   Eisenhower sent the first troops to Vietnam as advisers. Kennedy planned to remove all troops from Vietnam and let the Vietnamese settle their own differences. I know these things because as a soldier in the 4th Infantry division I lived these things daily.

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   crunkbot said, 23 days ago

   @ Humphries:

   yeah… thanks for that image.

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    dtroutma said, 23 days ago

    The ‘toon should have a portrait of Nixon, not Johnson, it was Dick and Henry who took over and ran that war longer than Johnson. THAT should be our warning, and Obama’s.

    Actually, Roosevelt sent in Chenault and the “Flying Tigers”, Ho helped us kick out the Japanese, and we supported the French return. The Vietnamese didn’t want “Frenchy”, us, or the crooked governments we and the French set up in Saigon. Most didn’t want norherners or Catholics in either, which is why they didn’t like that same government WE set up!( learned in 1st Cav 66-67 worked with your guys too p.j.)

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    Ken Warren said, 23 days ago

    A hard point for the Far Right to accept is that we lost in Vietnam, because no matter how big we think we are, and no matter how more advanced our equipment is it is the troops on the ground that matter.

    In World War II we fought a country, it was long and hard, but simple — invade the country, destroy their military, and caputre or kill their leaders. Bloody, messy, but simple compared to Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

    Vietnam was a country, maybe we could have invaded the North, it would have taken maybe a million men, and even then we probably would have not won as their leaders would do as they did with the French, melt into the jungle and keep fighting.

    Iraq was country, but it held together by the iron hand of a ruthless dictator, so killing him didn’t end the war, and Bush’s stupid decisions (such as dissolving the army and never sending enough American troops) turn many of the people against us and opened up things for the terrorist.

    Afghanistan is a country in name only, it is really a collection of War Lords with no real central government. Try to imagine what it would take for “victory” (or even try to imagine what “victory” would be) and ask yourself “Do we really want to commit so many resources, lives, and time to achieve this “victory?” Do we even have this many resources to commit?

    If Obama pulls out, as he should, the Far Right will scream ” Coward/yellow belly/the terrorist have won”, but the rest of us should say that we have learned from our failures and this time do the smart thing.

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    scottfreitas said, 23 days ago

    Sure Ken! And then once we’re no longer doing ANYTHING to fight terrorists outside our own borders, we can just stick our fingers in our ears and wait for the BOOM! of losing downtown Atlanta! Or Chicago (wait, don’t tempt me). Or Baltimore…

    Funny how you ignore all the brilliant people who have correctly pointed out that both Iraq and Afghanistan have been like baited rat traps; the idea of killing American troops is the “cheeze”. Terrorists have for years now poured into Iraq especially from Syria, Iran, and other countries, and the US has obligingly sent them either to go look for their 72 virgins in Paradise, or else over to Club Gitmo.

    These same brilliant people keep making the point that if you remove the baited rat traps, the terrorist vermin will simply resume smuggling themselves onto ships and traveling to America. We can then watch the dirty-bomb fallout make large parts of Boston (or wherever) uninhabitable for 700 years or so…

    Wow. Why am i talking to you as if you’re rational? Like all “liberals”, you won’t care one bit what terrorism experts have stated. You’re confident that wherever the next Ground Zero is, it won’t be in YOUR city. And there will always be Republicans to blame for anything bad that happens and that’s all that matters, right?

    May 2010: terrorist attack in New Jersey kills 8000+ people. MSNBC reports that George Bush’s foreign policy decisions caused the attack, while CNN and the Huffington Post insunate that Dick Cheney secretly orchestrated it all himself, based on expert testimony from demolition experts who claim all the collapsed buildings were obviously destroyed by planted charges (the type of thing Halliburton specializes in!), not as a result of terrorist actions…

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    openminded said, 23 days ago

    Ai yi yi

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    parkersinthehouse said, 23 days ago

    hey liggett - we never thanked y’all enough

    thanks man

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    P.J. Liggett said, 22 days ago

    Scott & Nandy: Continuing our discussion regarding Fascism & Nazism, I based my comments on the books that I have read. 1) The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer, Probably the Definitive 20th century text on Nazi Germany. 2) I Will bear Witness, by Victor Klemperer. 3) My Fathers Keeper - an intimate history of damage and denial - Adult interviews with the children of Nazi Leaders. 4) Inside Hitler’s Germany, by Mathew Hughes & Chris Mann. 5) The Trial of the Germans - Nuremberg 1945 -1946, by Eugene Davidson. I am providing a partial list of the books in my personal library. If you have read any of these please respond and we can converse intelligently. If not, maybe you should read them before responding. p.s. This selection is broad in both scope and viewpoint for fairness

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    Corosive Frog said, 22 days ago

    scott; you’re gonna be so disappointed if that doesn’t happen!

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    annamargaret1866 said, 22 days ago

    ^CF, he won’t be disappointed, because he couldn’t bear that emotion. He’ll be angry, but it will be a misplaced anger, since he can’t accept his own (or Limbaugh’s or Beck’s or ….) mistakes.

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    annamargaret1866 said, 22 days ago

    P. J., thanks for the book list.

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    oldlegodad said, 22 days ago

    FYI

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=510723

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    motivemagus said, 22 days ago

    PJ, Scott & ANandy: I recommend the trilogy by Richard J. Evans. Awesome narrative history on the rise of the Nazi Party. The Coming of the Third Reich, The Third Reich in Power: 1933-1939, and The Third Reich at War: 1939-1945. I’m not done with book three yet, because I got stalled out in some of the more awful events, but it’s well worth reading.

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    Jase99 said, 22 days ago

    Anandy, you just described yourself. You complain about “libs” using the Nazi label so freely in the same sentence you call something fascist.

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    comYics said, 22 days ago

    America shouldnt have called the northern vietnamese Char Lie.

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    charliekane said, 22 days ago

    Nan:

    Give it up. Outta yer league.

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    dtroutma said, 22 days ago

    What really gets me about the “poor picked on conservatives” here is that they are the ones who let fly the angry invective, and stupidity, whenever anyone even tries with humor to take a poke at them. Fact checking is absolutely beyond them, and they don’t even recognize most of their attacks are upon their own posture.

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    P.J. Liggett said, 22 days ago

    I notice that Scotty has crawled back into his den. I am still waiting!
    
    Nandy: It is you who miss the point; the historical tomes that I listed describe the Nazi political view in depth and big business was tolerated as long as they supported Hitler financially, its all there. Read them, then we’ll talk.

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    rikoshayrabbit said, 21 days ago

    An excellent read on the defeat of Western nations when they attempt war on the little guys… by Fred Reed….

    http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOEFrameColumn.htm

    Click onto “ Fred columns” because this link doesn’t want to fully cooperate.

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    HUMPHRIES said, 21 days ago

    Jase99, Note ANandy has yet to over come anything, read his posts.

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    Jase99 said, 21 days ago

    Anandy, I’ll take stupid over willful ignorance any day. You’re ignorance could be overcome, but you choose to stay that way.

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    churchillwasright said, 21 days ago

    Not one of you geniuses got what the toon is saying…

    LBJ had stateside generals and bureaucrats manage the war to a failure, instead of letting the military on the ground make the decisions.

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    Ken Warren said, 21 days ago

    At some point in the war, as in most wars, the military gave the political leaders an honest appraisal of what it would take to win the war, how many troops, how much it would cost, and how long it would take. The political leaders looked at that and said (and they were probably right) “The public would never stand for this!”

    And from that point it was never about winning the war but about finding a “face saving”, “honorable” way out.

    There is an old saying: Most wars are lost not won!”