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Tom Toles

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  1. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, almost 3 years ago

    William and Mary went from “the Indians” to “the Tribe” but still was forced to drop the two feathers from it’s logo. Now when the ‘animal rights’ groups start in, there won’t be many names left for sports teams.

    I appreciate the admirable impulse of not wanting to insult anybody, but I can’t help thinking that there are better things for people to spend their time worrying about, or trying to change.

  2. PICTO

    PICTO said, almost 3 years ago

    @Doughfoot

    “…, but I can’t help thinking that there are better things for people to spend their time worrying about, or trying to change.”
    That’s exactly what slave owners say about slavery.

  3. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, almost 3 years ago

    For those who don’t understand why this is worth discussing, try looking at this link:
    http://gamedayr.com/sports/mlb/american-indian-graphic-sports-logo-racism/

  4. Paul Roese

    Paul Roese GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @Doughfoot

    right there with you. yeah maybe the the name isn’t the best BUT there are NO more important issues concerning native americans but then this is a cheap and easy fix that makes some feel good without doing a damn thing of substance to help the serious problems. like those who root for the Detroit Tigers but otherwise not interested in helping the city and it’s populace with it’s deplorable schools and crumbling infrastructure.

  5. Godfreydaniel

    Godfreydaniel said, almost 3 years ago

    Dan Snyder should also be blushing at his incompetence as an owner. I think Maureen Dowd has it right: watch any western, and the term “redskin” is NEVER anything other than a derogatory term.

  6. lisapaloma13

    lisapaloma13 said, almost 3 years ago

    Excellent!

  7. lisapaloma13

    lisapaloma13 said, almost 3 years ago

    The Charlotte Hornets were named as a historical reference to the city. Then the owner picked up his team and moved, becoming the New Orleans Hornets. The Athletics moved to L.A., the Jazz moved to (!) Salt Lake City… Big deal. Change the name.

  8. dcunning

    dcunning said, almost 3 years ago

    Great idea!

  9. dcunning

    dcunning said, almost 3 years ago

    @Godfreydaniel

    How about the Washington Honkies?

  10. hippogriff

    hippogriff said, almost 3 years ago

    Tigger: Don’t do much Bible reading do you? Try Judges; Deborah recruited Barak to defend the country (hardly a terrorist task) and he did it quite well.

  11. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    If it is so silly and crap then change it to the Black Skins then or the Aryan Supermen why don’t you?

    If any NFL team is going to adopt that name, it’s gonna be Dallas! Just google “America’s Team”…

  12. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @motivemagus

    I don’t see this as cut & dried. Some Native Americans feel that ‘Redskins’ is a derogatory name. Yet, the fans love the name. Would they like the name if it evoked negative connotations in their minds?

    As far as some of the other icons in your link, is this offensive?

  13. Uncle Joe

    Uncle Joe GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @Uncle Joe

    If any NFL team is going to adopt that name, it’s gonna be Dallas! Just google “America’s Team”…

    Ok, I just discovered the Packers are the team with the most white players. I guess they have a claim.

    Seriously though, what about Notre Dame’s “The Fighting Irish”? Good luck convincing them to change the name, though you could argue that their logo is also a racist stereotype.

  14. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, almost 3 years ago

    @Uncle Joe

    The question, as is always the case when you have a potentially derogatory name, is who should have the right to call it out: the person using it, or the person it describes? To my mind, it is the person it describes (which is why the white people screaming about the use of the N-word in rap are just silly. People can reclaim it for themselves, but that doesn’t entitle those outside the group.) So the fans’ view is, frankly, irrelevant. Especially since lots of teams have changed their names; the idea of it being a “tradition” is simply silly. The Red Sox have been around WAY longer than the Washington NFL team, and they’ve changed their name more than once!
    I think your beer label is hilarious, myself. Also, “Hebrew” is not and never has been a derogatory label. Had they used other terms, it would have been a problem.

  15. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, almost 3 years ago

    @Uncle Joe

    I’d consider changing the name of the Fighting Irish myself, and I’m (partially) Irish Catholic. But that’s me. I’m not sure how many Irish consider the term insulting anymore, having moved it from “needlessly violent” to “valiant freedom fighter.”
    I do agree that it isn’t cut-and-dried in all cases; but how many teams explicitly describe skin color? I can think of…one. And as someone pointed out somewhere, a lot of college teams HAVE changed their names for precisely this reason.
    Then there are the Cincinnati Reds:
    “Twice in the 1950s (the McCarthy era), the Reds, fearing that their traditional club nickname would associate them with the threat of Communism, officially changed the name of the team to the “Cincinnati Redlegs”.1 From 1956 to 1960, the club’s logo was altered to remove the term “REDS” from the inside of the “wishbone C” symbol. The “REDS” reappeared on the 1961 uniforms, but the point of the C was removed, leaving a smooth, non-wishbone curve. The traditional home-uniform logo was restored in 1967."

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