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Tom Toles

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  1. lonecat

    lonecat said, almost 3 years ago

    Those who oppose action in Syria are in effect saying that there should be no response illegal use of weapons of mass destruction. Funny, a few years back we mounted huge war on the suspicion that there might be stockpile of WMDs in Iraq, whereas now we know that the weapons are there because they’ve been used. Anyone who supported the war in Iraq ought to support some kind of response in this situation. (Of course we can then ask “What kind of response?” but that’s another question for another time.) Now if the US makes no response to this use of WMDs, what message gets sent to Iran?

  2. Rockngolfer

    Rockngolfer said, almost 3 years ago

    I guess if I am still alive in 10 years I will still be against he war in Syria the way I was against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam.

  3. Mark

    Mark said, almost 3 years ago

    @lonecat

    .That we’ve learned our lesson?

  4. capndunzzl

    capndunzzl said, almost 3 years ago

    …too bad D.C. won’t act as fast about domestic gun violence.

  5. lonecat

    lonecat said, almost 3 years ago

    Well, I wouldn’t say that the president always tells the truth, but I wouldn’t say that he always lies, either. As for Putin, well, I wouldn’t give him a lot of credit for truth. I’d be very surprised to learn that there were no chemicals used, and I’d be almost as surprised to learn that it was the opposition who used them.
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    I’m not arguing for a military strike in Syria. I was making two points: 1. Something should be done. 2. A lot of the opposition to Obama’s plan is hypocritical.
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    But even so, I’m opposed to a military strike in Syria. I don’t think it will do any good, and I don’t see that the proper response to an atrocity is another atrocity. But I do think there should be some response. I’m a pacifist, or as near to that as I can manage. A lot of people say that pacifism doesn’t work. Well, militarism doesn’t work very well, either. But pacificism is not that same as doing nothing. We put a lot of money into figuring how to deal with conflicts violently, why can’t we put equal money into figuring how to deal with conflicts non-violently?

  6. lonecat

    lonecat said, almost 3 years ago

    @Mark

    I wish that were the case. I don’t think so.

  7. lonecat

    lonecat said, almost 3 years ago

    I’ve opposed the US use of terror and the US sponsorship of terror all my adult life. And not just verbal opposition. Just because the US has done a lot of horrible things, that doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t protest when Assad does, as well.

  8. martens is REALLY fed up

    martens is REALLY fed up said, almost 3 years ago

    @lonecat

    Maybe what you are talking about here is satyagraha? Nonviolent but nonetheless resistance? I believe ahab mentioned it a few days back. One must be active but nonviolent (basically the methods promoted by Gandhi, among others.

  9. lonecat

    lonecat said, almost 3 years ago

    @martens is REALLY fed up

    Exactly. Now the key problem for pacifists is the application of nonviolent resistance when you’re getting clobbered by a massive force which doesn’t seem to respond to non-violence. Well, I don’t know the answer, but I do see that violent resistance often doesn’t work. We desperately need to have a discussion about how to avoid getting into these situations.

  10. martens is REALLY fed up

    martens is REALLY fed up said, almost 3 years ago

    @lonecat

    Harking back to a post by dtroutma a few days ago, the handling of the Haitian coup in the ’90’s was an example of the use of a threat of force in a way that negated the need for the actual use of force.
    US response to Haitian coup

  11. Radish

    Radish GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @martens is REALLY fed up

    This video got me started on the flouride DMT idea. Look how sincere this girl is, she claims knowledge but is the science any good?
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92qmQFkYILM

  12. Radish

    Radish GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    Man proposes, god disposes.

  13. echoraven

    echoraven said, almost 3 years ago

    “Even if he were to end world hunger, cure all cancer and bring real and lasting peace to the world…”
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    He would have to be competent to do that.
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    “…Either way the right-wing-haters won’t be happy until this country fails and takes down this President with it.”
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    Obozo needs no one’s help to make this country fail. He’s doing just fine on his own (with his Kool Aid slamming allies of course). Thankfully (for you at least) he won’t go down with it, since the Kool Aid slamming brigade will continue to blame the shrub…

  14. Rockngolfer

    Rockngolfer said, almost 3 years ago

    @Radish

    I didn’t watch all of that video. Sometimes I wonder.
    H2, The History Channel 2 had a marathon about influential people. They followed John D. Rockefeller. J.P. Morgan, Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, (who am I leaving out)
    I began to question how accurate the shows were, but it is hard to get good solid information. Too much fluff.
    It was entertaining to hear their version of how Niagra Falls was AC and where General Electric came from.

  15. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @lonecat

    Since so called legal weapons killed 100,000 Syrians I don’t understand the problem with chemical weapons. They all kill and maim. If the 100,000 deaths weren’t enough then now is an arbitrary line indeed.
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    The USA has used chemical weapons whether napalm or oncogenic pesticides like Agent Orange and others that are still killing people today.
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    Hafas AL-Assad showed his constituents that he is hard core and they must be too. Whatever “limited strike” Pres. Obama is planning it could help no one including the Syrians. And like the WW I, entangling alliances will widen it quickly. Should Iran fire on Israel Israel could retaliate with one of its many nuclear weapons. The global economy will crater and what was done that helped anyone? Nothing.

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