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Tom Toles

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  1. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    Republicans/Fox “news” viewers do not want the health care system in America to be improved.
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    If questioned directly, they will respond ‘well, not Obamacare’, or will say ‘uh, my health care is just fine’ without responding directly.
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    They do not want American citizens to receive better health care.

  2. mikefive

    mikefive said, almost 3 years ago

    “We could eliminate insurance as a product and make health care a public service like other countries have done.”

    There is a misconception in these forums that all countries that have successful universal health care are only single payer systems. In reality, less than half are single payer. Nearly one fourth use the insurance mandate.

  3. wmconelly

    wmconelly said, almost 3 years ago

    Obama-Care is Romney-Care is Obama-Care. Originally conceived by the Republican Heritage Foundation as a response the Clinton’s universal health plan, Obama-Romney-Care has been working in Massachusetts since it was voted in under Governor Romney in 2006, with VERY FEW problems.

    You ain’t gonna hear that on the Glen Fox Murdoch Rush News quite so plainly spoken, but there it is. May the truth set you free, people, and lower your healthcare costs in the process.

  4. mikefive

    mikefive said, almost 3 years ago

    @wmconelly

    “Obama-Care is Romney-Care is Obama-Care. Originally conceived by the Republican Heritage Foundation as a response the Clinton’s universal health plan,”

    I am absolutely baffled as to why you keep perpetuating this blatant falsehood followed by "May the truth set you free…. and “….lower your healthcare costs in the process.”

  5. Wabbit

    Wabbit GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    The anti-Obamacare propagandistas are very smooth and persuasive, but won’t make much ground with those who have pre-existing conditions, or those who have young adult children who still can’t afford insurance.
    At healthcare.gov you can read what is really going to happen. One good lie is that the uninsured will be paying $2,000.
    Maybe in red states who are throwing monkey wrenches at it, but those in blue states with blue legislators will be doing fine.
    About Onguard’s photo, even a donkey can’t work if abused by loads too big. Even an elephant can be abused with overload too.

  6. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    Seems to me you aren’t rebutting him. Just insulting. That isn’t the same. You will know them by their fruits.
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    You are right in that this Republican health care item is just to help our present Corporate Health care. So it isn’t Left wing or even sensible, it is aiding our present system. Just allowing 30 million more covered with tax payer money.

  7. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @mikefive

    In Japan all Health Care Corporations are not for profit. I’d like to do that here in the USA but Obama had no interest in doing so. He is a Con.

  8. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @wmconelly

    They would deny it as they have here. Deny or claim ignorance.

  9. Justice22

    Justice22 said, almost 3 years ago

    The Republican owner overloaded the cart again.

  10. mikefive

    mikefive said, almost 3 years ago

    @Night-Gaunt49

    Japan is single payer. It’s my understanding that at least some of the countries with the insurance mandate have caps on what they can charge for procedures.

  11. ahab

    ahab GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    So, if you have an ACA question go to APHA for answers. Rather than putting trust in a Teaparty-Lee troll who thinks shutting down the government, causing unnecessary economic havoc, in order to interfere with the ACA is a good idea. The ACA was passed and accepted by Congress after debating its merits and the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act! http://www.apha.org/advocacy/Health+Reform/implementation/

  12. PianoGuy24

    PianoGuy24 GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    @braindead08

    And Obama HIMSELF has delayed THREE deadlines to implement different parts of Obamacare. I thought Obamacare was the PERFECT solution to healthcare! Well, except to those who are getting exemptions such as politicians….and their aids….and unions…and…etc, etc…

  13. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    @mikefive

    " In reality, less than half are single payer. Nearly one fourth use the insurance mandate."

    The difference, where other countries are using insurers successfully, is that the relevant governments regulate the insurers.

    In the US, the insurers (and other corporations) dictate to the government.

  14. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    @wmconelly

    " … Obama-Romney-Care has been working in Massachusetts since it was voted in under Governor Romney in 2006, with VERY FEW problems."

    So a model for a very small, rather wealthy state can be assumed to be a functional model for the whole country ..?

    I won’t hold my breath. The way this country does things, the ACA will continue to lock out and impoverish working people – just not quite as many, perhaps, as with the old protocols. Massachusetts is hardly a model for the rest of the country.

  15. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    @ahab

    “The ACA was passed and accepted by Congress after debating its merits and the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act!”

    Yes, they passed it, but I am baffled as to how they could have debated something they haven’t read, had no intention of reading until it passed.

    Whatever it does, we are stuck with it, until we can change it. Changes are simple, but recent history has shown us that changes made to existing laws tend to favour providers, not clients nor patients.

    The thing is yet another gift to industry at our expense, and the odds that we can get it improved in our favour seem too long to me to be a viable betting proposition.

    What I’m pretty sure of is that it’s not going to help most of those who need it. For the rest, more of the same.

    I’d be delighted to be wrong on this, though.

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