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dtroutma
said, 4 months ago
It would be nice to let a little in.
ConserveGov said, 4 months ago
The only problem is that we let way too many sneak in and give them WAY too much when they do.
Close the border, kick the lawbreakers out and have them wait behind the honest people that deserve to come in after waiting for years.
If libs want to pay for illegals healthcare, rent and food then they should adopt them.
greenbrd said, 4 months ago
@ConserveGov
It’s not solely a Lib issue, unless you’re incredibly myopic. Cons love the cheap labor that the illegals provide.
Agree with everything else you said.
Mark said, 4 months ago
@ConserveGov
Better watch out; you’re going to hurt yourself jerking that knee around like that…
ne7minder55 said, 4 months ago
@ConserveGov
Of please dear genius explain to us how we would accomplish this great exodus you insist on. Or how we “close the boarder”. You make it sound so simple.
Particularly explain how you plan on paying for that since you refuse to consider taxing millionaires & billionaires.
AS for the care and feed, how do you think they are caring for and feeding themselves today? They are not indigent, the work & care for themselves.
Doughfoot said, 4 months ago
All the conservative stereotypes about illegal immigrants are true — in some cases. And false
- on other cases. An acquaintance came in legally many years ago. She has no connection any longer with the country of her birth, South Africa, where she has not been since a child. Though on an extended visa, through an oversight, and while she thought she was applying for permanent status, her visa lapsed. At that moment she became illegal. She is married to an American citizen, but her marriage is not recognized by federal law (DOMA). She earns her own living, pays taxes, but does not dare to claim any benefits. Her only means of becoming legal is to leave her wife, return to South Africa for ten years, and then hope she can get another visa to return. -——- No she is not remotely typical. But tarring 10,000,000 people with the same brush, and providing no relief for person like her is grossly unjust.-— It is estimated that half the illegal immigrants in this country came here legally. They did not sneak across a border, they arrived with a passport and a visa through an airport. Many are students who came here to study and could not resist the temptation to stay in a country they found good.-Still others were brought here as children and know no other country.-In the days of our Founding Fathers, no one was turned away at America’s doors. One of the accusations made against King George in the Declaration of Independence was that he discouraged immigration to the colonies, and put barriers in the way of people coming here.-Every nation today needs to control its borders, no one questions that. But the bigoted, xenophobic, jealous, and vindictive attitude of many is unjustified. Other crimes have statutes of limitation. We do not confiscate the driver’s license of every person who speeds.-My friend is willing to pay a (reasonable) penalty for her mistake in order to become a citizen of the country where she has lived all the 20 years of her adult life. There is no reason on earth not to provide her the means to do so.America was conceived as an island of liberty in a sea of oppression, a place where anyone could come. Maybe that was impractical or has become so, but I always remember these words from Tom Paine’s Common Sense:
“O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her. Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind.”
Doughfoot said, 4 months ago
Sorry about the lines in the text — that was inadvertent and I can’t correct it.
edinbaltimore said, 4 months ago
And unless they manage to somehow get a SS#, they are NOT getting federal/state benefits, but relying on charities/men of good will to keep them alive. And our insurance premiums when hospitals treat them. This is about more than the little brown-skinned folk who come in, or do you object because that’s all you see? We have many “whites”, and others, who have/had temporary visas yet stayed here when those expired. We also have many legals who have obtained degrees, want to stay here, yet wait YEARS, and even have to return home and wait, before our broken immigration program gets them in. Congress has known about this for years, but doesn’t/won’t give guidance to fix it. Executive orders can only do so much. If the House, as they are already signalling, votes this down, the Repubs will remain a minority party for years.
Ms. Ima said, 4 months ago
When the illegals post here, watch out for liberals telling him to SHUT UP!
gmgodsil said, 4 months ago
the idiotic governor & state legislature of IL just signed a bill allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS (ok, undocumented workers) the right to get a drivers license! Of course they must pass a test & prove insurance first, but paying for a month of ins and then cancelling it or not renewing it after they have the “proof of ins” card for their glovebox is what will happen. And how can an insurance company legally insure illegals & how will they do that and NOT make rates go higher for the rest of the legal residents of the state. Allow immigrants in the country, but they must do it legally, get in line and absolutely NO BENEFITS until they have paid into the system for at least 10 years.
Respectful Troll said, 4 months ago
McCain listed lawnkeepers, housekeepers, migrant farmers, and babysitters as people who would benefit from immigration reform aka amnesty with strings. I never understood why after Reagan’s amnesty program, states and the federal gov’t didn’t crack down on illegal hiring of those in the country illegally. It laid the groundwork for what we are dealing with today. I am very happy that the children of illegal residents have a chance to be true members of this nation and to apply skills learned in school and college to help our nation.
btw – as presented by the 8 senators yesterday, this immigration reform can be blocked by Gov’s of states bordering Mexico if they are unsatisfied with border security. Jan Brewer of Az is already speaking against the bill and…
even conserves should be concerned about this…
Even tho Az law only allows a Gov to serve 2 consecutive terms, Ms. Brewer is considering a third run for office.
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20121210arizona-governor-brewer-bennett-block-filing-third-term.html
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I’m on record for giving a President the line item veto, but do not think the law should go into effect until the next presidential term begins. I feel the same way about adding a third term to a governor. If you want to do it, fine, but it should not benefit a sitting governor.
Respectfully,
C.
Nantucket19 said, 4 months ago
@gmgodsil
Do you think that those here illegally are not driving? It is better that they at least have gone through the testing process. And as far as cancelling insurance after they have the card, do YOU do that? This wouldn’t be something limited to someone in the US that is undocumented.
Nantucket19 said, 4 months ago
As long as there are jobs for illegals, they will continue to come here or stay past their visa expiration date. Walmart gets caught hiring illegals and locking them in the stores to clean overnight – they pay $11M fine with no prosecution. Many factory owners call immigration right before payday so they got the work done and don’t have to pay. Factory meat processing plants can skip safety measures – who can illegals complain to?
Many companies are hiring IT people from India because their special skill for the H1B visa is being a liaison to the workers because the jobs were outsourced to India. And the GOP refuses to remove the tax break companies get for closing a US office to open one elsewhere.
Michael wme said, 4 months ago
@Doughfoot
Select all the text in your comment and copy it (CTRL-A, CTRL-C). Delete your old comment and paste the text in a new comment box. And get rid of any incorrect HTML tags before you click SUBMIT for the corrected comment.
Here’s one of your sentences without the lines:
Bruce4671 said, 4 months ago
@Doughfoot
Here’s a suggestion. When you post and see a big mistake, copy it (highlight the entire post, edit, copy) and then delete that bad post, then open a new comment block and paste the post again. You can now correct it and re-submit.
Yeah, a bit of a hassle but you can correct mistakes.