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  1. dwill

    dwill said, 3 months ago

    She is notorious for her short fuze and outbursts. I am suprised that Obama nominated her for anything above official dogcatcher.

  2. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Well Dwill, Obama gave her a very important job with little influence on what he is doing. I think it was one maybe the only smart nomination he did. I can not question the fact that she is qualified and shrewd enough to do the job and do it well.
    I am also glad he beat her out. At least hopefully with the Jimmy Carter, Neville Chamberlain and a read my tele tax guy Obama has turned out to be The USA might wake up and find someone more qualified.
    Her in power and you would never see the socialist power hunger B she is till it might be to late.

  3. HUMPHRIES

    HUMPHRIESGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    hq, Sec Clinton might have a few rough spots but she’s certainly respected for her intelligence and ability instead of being regarded as a political toady like the last SoS was.

  4. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Hump, I could not agree with you more. She is a political animal and not a toady. To bad she is as almost as bad of a socialist power hungry kind that we do have in there now. She is scary in that she has perfected a few things that BO will never understand and that makes her very very dangerous. We may be on opposite sides when it comes to politics, I am for the individual she thinks it takes a village, but I am glad she is on the side of the USA in her job.

  5. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    I actually think Secretary Clinton responded to that question appropriately, especially given some of the less than modern ideas about women in some parts of the world.

    It turned out that the translator made a mistake, but Secretary Clinton couldn’t have possibly known that. Her angry response was perfectly reasonable. If she rolled on a question like that, the world community would have viewed her as weak.

  6. HOWGOZIT

    HOWGOZIT said, 3 months ago

    Poor Hill–victimnized again!

  7. DianeKovacs

    DianeKovacsGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    The translator did not make a mistake as it turns out. She was in a country that has a culture of rape as a mechanism of war and was there to assert that the U.S. is not pleased with their behavior. The cretin who asked the question knew exactly what he was doing.

  8. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Hi, Diane. This is the first I’ve heard that the wording was not mistaken. Where did you hear that? Is there a link to a news story about it? Thanks.

  9. Dale Hopson

    Dale HopsonGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    dwill states “She is notorious for her short fuze and outbursts. I am suprised that Obama nominated her for anything above official dogcatcher.”

    Yeah, things like having brains shouldn’t matter when it comes to chicks, right?

  10. 4uk4ata

    4uk4ata said, 3 months ago

    Hey, she thought the question was absurd. For that matter, so did I. If the translator booped up, then it’s his/her fault.

  11. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, 3 months ago

    Good diplomats are expected to act… well, diplomatically, even in the face of provocation. I see alot of people here giving her a pass (she was justified in her response, she was tired from a long trip, she was having a bad hair day [from women of all people!] etc). Why is that?

    A competent diplomat would have paused, internalized a response and calmly replied. I’m sure even Hillary herself has rethought her response. At least I hope she has. Those who make excuses for her are doing her no favors.

  12. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    You mean like John Bolton, churchillwasright?

    I don’t give a flip whether she was tired or not. I maintain that she was justified in her response and her demeanor. Saying that a person is justified is the very opposite of giving her a pass, as you say. One only needs a pass given when one has offended.

    I believe that her strong response was appropriate, especially given the attitudes of many in the region towards women. She showed people that she will not take an insult lightly and so cannot be rolled.

  13. 4uk4ata

    4uk4ata said, 3 months ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yDqoGoMTuw

    Yeah, she just eviscerated the guy (or girl, I think it was a guy). She completely demolished him. She tore him down to the ground. She was being so obnoxious. She made the greatest faux pas of the 21st century.

    Not.

    Her being woman has nothing to do with it, GNW. I don’t see what was all that outrageous about what she did, and imo people are making a mountain out of a molehill. As for “Women can do no wrong”, do not forget this is Hillary Clinton we are talking about. She’s been blamed for everything from the ice caps melting to urban violence to the rise of marital adultery. She could have handled the question a little better, sure, but it’s not like she blew a gasket and stormed out of there.

  14. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Now GNWachs, do you honestly think that’s what I said? I was just getting excited that you were a reasonable fellow, but your extrapolation there was completely off base.

  15. GNWachs

    GNWachsGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    She is the #1 representative of the US. She is a diplomat. Did she speak diplomatically? How would you respond if Bolton spoke that way? The only reason you are cutting her slack is because she is woman. I voted for her in the primary. She is far too intelligent to act that way. A petulant child.

  16. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    GNWachs, you claim that my defense of Clinton’s remark is boiled down to one thing: the fact that she is a woman.

    You may accept or reject my defense of her to your heart’s delight, but by saying the above, you are simply misstating my defense.

    In fact, my defense has to do with a perception of strength. It might equally be applied to a man who, being slighted in some way, asserted himself in response.

    Follow my logic?

  17. believecommonsense

    believecommonsenseGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    I don’t have a problem with her reaction to the question she was asked, translator’s mistake or not. It’s not the debilitating faux pas others are trying to turn it into.

    I”ll take Sec of State Clinton’s molehill over NSA/Sec. of State Rice’s mountain of misstatements re WMDs and “mushroom clouds” and embarrassing Powell when he tried to suggest caution.

  18. HUMPHRIES

    HUMPHRIESGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    GNW, In regards to attitudes about them “women” things, is your’s a hormon problem or an inferiority complex ?

  19. Corosive Frog

    Corosive Frog said, 3 months ago

    GNW; Boohoohoo, poor men.

    Maybe there should be a men’s rights movement.

  20. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 3 months ago

    Men who speak up like that are “strong.” Women who do are “witches.” Uh-huh. Someone asked her an inappropriate question, she smacked them down. She’s tough, and she takes no crap. I like that in a Secretary of State. Move on, folks.

  21. Corosive Frog

    Corosive Frog said, 3 months ago

    GNW, you’re gonna hate me for this, but you sound like the male version of a 1970’s feminist; a cry baby.

  22. Gladius

    Gladius said, 3 months ago

    haven’t seen your posts for a while motive… you been hiding?

  23. GNWachs

    GNWachsGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Left brain/right brain?

    testosterone/estrogen?

    fact: men and women are different

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/aug/18/women-dominate-j-school-enrollment/

  24. ReasonsVentriloquist

    ReasonsVentriloquist said, 3 months ago

    Maybe she was mad because right after she got into a name calling playground brawl with N. Korea, her husband strolled in and got the two women released.

    Just sayin’!

  25. fennec

    fennec said, 3 months ago

    MM has it, if anyone were to ask me (not that the usual contingent of Hillary disparagers would!).

  26. HUMPHRIES

    HUMPHRIESGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    GNW … think you’re on to something ?

  27. ReasonsVentriloquist

    ReasonsVentriloquist said, 3 months ago

    Just wanted to say that I had NO IDEA that CNN was doing a “Just Saying” schtick when I said “Just Saying”.

    I would never have known it if I hadn’t seen Jon Stewart report on it last night.

  28. ynnek58

    ynnek58 said, 3 months ago

    Hillary has cankles

  29. ktzoobee

    ktzoobeeGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    I admire Hilary in her response. It needed to be said.

  30. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 3 months ago

    Gladius - on vacation. Happiest place on Earth.
    GNWachs - Be very careful what you assert! I have more than a little knowledge of gender differences research. The extremes may be different, but the overlap is overwhelming. Men and women are different, true, but how they are different is not a simple thing, nor is it likely to fall into that @#$%^ “Mars versus Venus” claptrap.

  31. DrCanuck

    DrCanuck said, 3 months ago

    motive’ knows of what he speaks.

  32. fennec

    fennec said, 3 months ago

    Glad you’re back, MM. I’ve missed your comments and needed your expertise more than once here.

  33. GNWachs
  34. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 3 months ago

    Thanks, DrCanuck, fennec.

  35. GNWachs
  36. Gladius

    Gladius said, 3 months ago

    Vacations….wondrous things. Mine is just about up. Which means my time here will shortly be constrained.

  37. HUMPHRIES

    HUMPHRIESGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    GNW and the article proves … what ?

  38. GNWachs

    GNWachsGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Humphries: The advocates of change specifically a public option paint the picture of huge steps forward in the administration of health care.

    Either the advocates are lying to themselves or to us.

    Facts of life: there will be waits- long waits. Significantly longer than we experience now. Every other system you compare has long waits. why?

    (B) There will be rationing. The stupid argument now is well we have rationing so how could that be worse? Compared to what we will have there is no rationing now. There will be committees deciding how many good years you have left and therefore what treatments you should be allowed.

    Use your common sense. We will add 47 million “uninsured”. No new doctors, no new nurses, no new hospitals.

    You have to save money so the first place that Obama will cut and he said so is reimbursement to doctors and hospitals. So we have 47 million more, all who need general family practitioners and we plan to cut their reimbursement. Who is going into the field?

    We keep pointing out the fatal flaws but you don’t care because some private insurance company denied you your basic rights. The heck with the country as long as I get mine.

  39. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 3 months ago

    Here’s Media Matters’ reality check on some of those “fatal flaws:”
    http://mediamatters.org/research/200908200002

  40. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Thanks, motivemagus. That was a really helpful link.