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Terrible story, badly covered – MEDIA please just give us the basic facts, don’t speculate, don’t bring in “talking heads” that say “Well he could have been unhappy about something!”
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This is a terribly sad story, and commentary. It will be twisted and turned, but I do have one critical question- How did this happen in the most heavily “armed” segment of our society. It was a private security guard who brought the guy down. It also appears the Army had already been warned of this PSYCHIATRIST’S INSTABILITY six months ago.
The military IS making changes to “past practices”, and things are improving, but it will still take time- this incident is still reflective of those “past practices”, and that should be kept in mind.
Training warriors is not a painless or free pursuit. Freedom is not free as the saying goes. Guns do not protect the innocent. New Mexico’s newest murderer is a 10 year old who took a shotgun to his daddy’s head. He was mad. He had access.
Yes, odd that a field grade would pull this off. I wonder how scooter is dealing with the fact a female security officer brought him down. SHE HAD GUTS!!!
Our thanks to Kimberly Munley! Chicks CAN BE HEROS!
He was a Major (O-5) because he started as a Captain when commissioned as a doctor upon graduation from DOD med School.As A US born citizen he could buy his handguns off post legally. They were not GI Issue..
I’m more a supporter of the “PTSD by proxy” hypothesis; ie; The guy heard so many horror stories that he got incredibly traumatized by those, as if he had lived them.
It exists, I saw it. I know a girl who heard the stories about her sister being raped by her father for all of her childhood, along with the stories of her mom being sordidly abused by her godfather. Though she was born years after the events, she was traumatized by it and became violent against men.
Somebody can heal from his own wounds. What if you have to heal from other people’s?
It’s like some exttreme feminists, those who believe men are onthologically violent. Most of us don’t believe that and don’t understand how somebody can believe it. But if you worked in a woman’s shelter, and your job was to listen to horror stories like the gang rape we heard about eariler this week day after day after day, week after week for several years, you would have a biased and false image of men, too. All men are not violent, but you only hear about those who are, so you believe all men are violent.
hey frog - thanks for the truth - i almost didn’t read any more posts because they were so toxic -
the man didn’t kill because he was muslim - he killed because he had witnessed the horrendous effects of ptsd in his patients and was afraid - his brother said terrified - of being deployed for that reason
he’s still a murderer. i do, however, hope that the truth of ptsd gets more administrative attention - walter reed and the va etc. are either way behind or criminally blind in terms of treating our returning wounded.
Wrong – thanks to Cheney/Bush and the Patriot Act you don’t have to prove anything, you don’t evern have charge the person with anything, you just pick them up and put them in prison and say they were a “terrorist!”
^ I know you right.
The shrink in question, also had a Scott Fat@ss like hatred of women, Which makes me think he lost his load along time ago.
He wouldn’t have his picture taken with his fellow workers cause there were women in it.
Oldoat, I like to wear those flowery MOO MOO’S. It helps to hide my Beer Belly. But I only wear them cause I’m weird, not Crazy.
So If you see me at the 7-11 in my moo-moo with a 12 pack under my arm, dont worry, I’m not going to shoot anyone.
Seniorbullwinkle is always calling others whom are not on the liberal side fat a@@.
He then turns around and states that he has a beer gut and is a weirdo.
Another prime example of how well the government does with their social acceptance.
They let a terrorists become a Army psychiatrist and then wonder why Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan would kill his fellow soldiers.
eaglesofwar, how would you know in advance that someone is a terrorist? Simply because he is a Muslim? How about those terrorists who set off the bombs in Oklahoma City? Would you ban Oklahomans?
For God’s sake, people are people - some are bad and some are good, and you can’t know that from one piece of data. Evidently they had some warning signs on Hassan, and ignored them. For that, I blame his commanding officer, as per standard military procedure – because it’s always the leader who is responsible.
HEY EAGLE, I wouldn’t be talkin if I were you, cause their ain’t No way you’ll be getting off the ground, Not with that fat butt of yours.
Eagle of War on a Pizza.
And as far as scooty goes, He’s on his own side, unless you want to claim him. But you’d better hurry cause I hear PLANTERS is looking for him. He escaped.
PS I said Beer BELLY. Truth is I quit drinkin in ‘94. And if you ever catch me in a Moo Moo, take a picture and post it here.
We all cant be Eagles, now can we ?
I was just using your exact words that you have stated. Since you have immediate rebutted your last comment on buying beer at 7/11, moo moo outfit and your beer gut. Does that mean everything you state is a lie?
Your previous comments have been that you are from Mexico, you are not an American citizen, you have stated you have had sex with animals, you spoke about living in the desert, RV’s, anti gun statements, coming home from Vietnam war (if this was true you would be an American citizen), you spoke about your hippie 70’s days and some times you are acting as an insane man just rumblings various bizarre things about various bizarre items.
Timothy McVeigh
Born April 23, 1968(1968-04-23)
Lockport, New York, U.S.A.
He was not from Oklahoma.
Oklahoma and Idaho are two of the most conservative states in the United States.
From what little I know about Timothy McVeigh. After he got out of the military. He was in dessert storm.
He watched what Clinton done in Waco, TX and it set him off. He then carried out what he done.
You stated it is always the leader whom is responsible.
With that said, I am more than willing to put all the responsibility of the national debt, unemployment and wasteful spending under Obama and the democrats in the house and senate.
From my previous remarks Timothy McVeigh was from NY.
Yes all Muslims should be considered terrorists. Most bombing on civilians are done by Muslim terrorists.
It’s no wonder you believe everything Rush, Beck, and the rest of those right wing nutz tell you, you’re what they call “GULLIBLE”.
So you believe everything anyone says ?
HEY, LOOK OUT your pants are on FIRE !
If you say you Believe everything anyone writes here on these pages, then I think you’re lying.
You see, I dont Believe you’re an Eagle either
Okay, eagles, do you want to declare everyone from New York a terrorist? Reading between the lines, it appears that you do! And your efforts to blame an individual’s choice to commit mass murder on Clinton is simply sad.
And Obama, unlike his predecessor, IS taking responsibility to fix the messes, many of which came from his predecessor. Bush couldn’t come up with a single mistake he made in eight years. Obama’s delivering on his campaign promises – more slowly than I like on some, and with more compromise on some than I prefer, but he is.
You are the one who mentioned putting everyone from Oklahoma on a terrorists list due to Timothy McVeigh. I just pointed out he was from NY.
As far as blaming Clinton for Waco. It was his people, his appointees that called the shots.
You may of stated something on taking the blame. This would be a prime example.
For instance the Hurricane Katrina problems were blamed on Bush. Even though the following events happened:
All the citizens were made aware of the hurricane coming.
Buses were sent in to take the destitute people out.
They refused to go.
Helicopters attempted to bring in supplies. They were shot at by the destitute.
After they were able to make it somewhat safe, they took care of business to a point of over kill.
Even today if you apply for a job and was in that mess the employer gets government money for hiring you.
Clintons example was sending out the FBI and every other law enforcement possible to kill peaceful citizens in Waco.
This was done under Janet Reno.
The citizens were just trying to escape the current world system and gather with like minded people. This would be no differences than the Mormons, latter day saints or even the Amish.
They are not like the Muslims that want to blow up American citizens and kill the Christians.
Or kill unarmed soldiers at Ft. Hood.
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petergrt said, 14 days ago
Just another act of a ‘religious’ fanatic.
bleeep all religions, right?t?
JDG
said,
14 days ago
bleeep!
Jim said, 14 days ago
My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones .
Ken Warren said, 14 days ago
Terrible story, badly covered – MEDIA please just give us the basic facts, don’t speculate, don’t bring in “talking heads” that say “Well he could have been unhappy about something!”
Save 24/7 coverage for disasters like earthquakes, hurricanes, fires, things we need for emergency information.
fennec said, 14 days ago
^Ditto, Ken. I agree entirely.
dtroutma said, 14 days ago
This is a terribly sad story, and commentary. It will be twisted and turned, but I do have one critical question- How did this happen in the most heavily “armed” segment of our society. It was a private security guard who brought the guy down. It also appears the Army had already been warned of this PSYCHIATRIST’S INSTABILITY six months ago.
The military IS making changes to “past practices”, and things are improving, but it will still take time- this incident is still reflective of those “past practices”, and that should be kept in mind.
ahab
said,
14 days ago
Training warriors is not a painless or free pursuit. Freedom is not free as the saying goes. Guns do not protect the innocent. New Mexico’s newest murderer is a 10 year old who took a shotgun to his daddy’s head. He was mad. He had access.
big G 3469
said,
14 days ago
What’s scary was this nut was a ranked Major, a Army Psychologist & didn’t wanted to be shipped out to either Iraq nor Afghanistan.
dtroutma said, 14 days ago
Yes, odd that a field grade would pull this off. I wonder how scooter is dealing with the fact a female security officer brought him down. SHE HAD GUTS!!!
Our thanks to Kimberly Munley! Chicks CAN BE HEROS!
oldlegodad
said,
14 days ago
He was a Major (O-5) because he started as a Captain when commissioned as a doctor upon graduation from DOD med School.As A US born citizen he could buy his handguns off post legally. They were not GI Issue..
HUMPHRIES
said,
13 days ago
Good post Ken Warren.
cabrobst said, 13 days ago
Just *&#bleep@^$ those religions that justify murder, including the murder of abortionists.
HOWGOZIT said, 13 days ago
Political correctness kept this dude in the service.
petergrt said, 13 days ago
“Just *&#bleep@^$ those religions that justify murder, including the murder of abortionists.”
Finally, a moral degenerate’s chime.
ahab
said,
13 days ago
Petergrt, doesn’t like the ten commandments?
Corosive Frog said, 13 days ago
I’m more a supporter of the “PTSD by proxy” hypothesis; ie; The guy heard so many horror stories that he got incredibly traumatized by those, as if he had lived them.
It exists, I saw it. I know a girl who heard the stories about her sister being raped by her father for all of her childhood, along with the stories of her mom being sordidly abused by her godfather. Though she was born years after the events, she was traumatized by it and became violent against men.
Somebody can heal from his own wounds. What if you have to heal from other people’s?
It’s like some exttreme feminists, those who believe men are onthologically violent. Most of us don’t believe that and don’t understand how somebody can believe it. But if you worked in a woman’s shelter, and your job was to listen to horror stories like the gang rape we heard about eariler this week day after day after day, week after week for several years, you would have a biased and false image of men, too. All men are not violent, but you only hear about those who are, so you believe all men are violent.
oldlegodad
said,
13 days ago
HOWGOZIT Amen. Backup here::
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=511702
parkersinthehouse said, 13 days ago
hey frog - thanks for the truth - i almost didn’t read any more posts because they were so toxic -
the man didn’t kill because he was muslim - he killed because he had witnessed the horrendous effects of ptsd in his patients and was afraid - his brother said terrified - of being deployed for that reason
he’s still a murderer. i do, however, hope that the truth of ptsd gets more administrative attention - walter reed and the va etc. are either way behind or criminally blind in terms of treating our returning wounded.
petergrt said, 13 days ago
“PTSD by proxy” causes one to exclaim “Allahu Akbar” and kill and maim as many as one possibly can.
Textbook PTSD!
motivemagus said, 13 days ago
petergrt, PTSD doesn’t mean you can’t shout Allah Akbar.
ahab
said,
13 days ago
Oklahoma City went boom with an American made bomb least we forget.
Ronshua
said,
13 days ago
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp?print=y
HOWGOZIT said, 12 days ago
Why do they keep calling this terrorist a “suspect?”
motivemagus said, 12 days ago
Because he’s innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. No matter how obvious it is that he is guilty of mass murder.
Ken Warren said, 12 days ago
Wrong – thanks to Cheney/Bush and the Patriot Act you don’t have to prove anything, you don’t evern have charge the person with anything, you just pick them up and put them in prison and say they were a “terrorist!”
senorbullwinkle
said,
12 days ago
^ I know you right.
The shrink in question, also had a Scott Fat@ss like hatred of women, Which makes me think he lost his load along time ago.
He wouldn’t have his picture taken with his fellow workers cause there were women in it.
HOWGOZIT said, 12 days ago
Yes motive, that is what is basically wrong with justice system. Too many loopholes to get off when it is known he is the one that did it.
senorbullwinkle
said,
12 days ago
Oldoat, I like to wear those flowery MOO MOO’S. It helps to hide my Beer Belly. But I only wear them cause I’m weird, not Crazy.
So If you see me at the 7-11 in my moo-moo with a 12 pack under my arm, dont worry, I’m not going to shoot anyone.
eaglesofwar said, 11 days ago
Seniorbullwinkle is always calling others whom are not on the liberal side fat a@@.
He then turns around and states that he has a beer gut and is a weirdo.
eaglesofwar said, 11 days ago
Another prime example of how well the government does with their social acceptance.
They let a terrorists become a Army psychiatrist and then wonder why Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan would kill his fellow soldiers.
motivemagus said, 11 days ago
eaglesofwar, how would you know in advance that someone is a terrorist? Simply because he is a Muslim? How about those terrorists who set off the bombs in Oklahoma City? Would you ban Oklahomans?
For God’s sake, people are people - some are bad and some are good, and you can’t know that from one piece of data. Evidently they had some warning signs on Hassan, and ignored them. For that, I blame his commanding officer, as per standard military procedure – because it’s always the leader who is responsible.
senorbullwinkle
said,
11 days ago
HEY EAGLE, I wouldn’t be talkin if I were you, cause their ain’t No way you’ll be getting off the ground, Not with that fat butt of yours.
Eagle of War on a Pizza.
And as far as scooty goes, He’s on his own side, unless you want to claim him. But you’d better hurry cause I hear PLANTERS is looking for him. He escaped.
PS I said Beer BELLY. Truth is I quit drinkin in ‘94. And if you ever catch me in a Moo Moo, take a picture and post it here.
We all cant be Eagles, now can we ?
eaglesofwar said, 11 days ago
Seniorbullwinkle,
I was just using your exact words that you have stated. Since you have immediate rebutted your last comment on buying beer at 7/11, moo moo outfit and your beer gut. Does that mean everything you state is a lie?
Your previous comments have been that you are from Mexico, you are not an American citizen, you have stated you have had sex with animals, you spoke about living in the desert, RV’s, anti gun statements, coming home from Vietnam war (if this was true you would be an American citizen), you spoke about your hippie 70’s days and some times you are acting as an insane man just rumblings various bizarre things about various bizarre items.
What is the truth and what is a lie?
From your remarks, everything you state is a lie.
eaglesofwar said, 11 days ago
Motivemagass,
Timothy McVeigh
Born April 23, 1968(1968-04-23)
Lockport, New York, U.S.A.
He was not from Oklahoma.
Oklahoma and Idaho are two of the most conservative states in the United States.
From what little I know about Timothy McVeigh. After he got out of the military. He was in dessert storm.
He watched what Clinton done in Waco, TX and it set him off. He then carried out what he done.
eaglesofwar said, 11 days ago
You stated it is always the leader whom is responsible.
With that said, I am more than willing to put all the responsibility of the national debt, unemployment and wasteful spending under Obama and the democrats in the house and senate.
From my previous remarks Timothy McVeigh was from NY.
Yes all Muslims should be considered terrorists. Most bombing on civilians are done by Muslim terrorists.
senorbullwinkle
said,
11 days ago
It’s no wonder you believe everything Rush, Beck, and the rest of those right wing nutz tell you, you’re what they call “GULLIBLE”.
So you believe everything anyone says ?
HEY, LOOK OUT your pants are on FIRE !
If you say you Believe everything anyone writes here on these pages, then I think you’re lying.
You see, I dont Believe you’re an Eagle either
eaglesofwar said, 11 days ago
I believe you are a cavemen amongst other things that cannot be listed on this site.
motivemagus said, 10 days ago
Okay, eagles, do you want to declare everyone from New York a terrorist? Reading between the lines, it appears that you do! And your efforts to blame an individual’s choice to commit mass murder on Clinton is simply sad.
And Obama, unlike his predecessor, IS taking responsibility to fix the messes, many of which came from his predecessor. Bush couldn’t come up with a single mistake he made in eight years. Obama’s delivering on his campaign promises – more slowly than I like on some, and with more compromise on some than I prefer, but he is.
eaglesofwar said, 10 days ago
Motivemagus,
You are the one who mentioned putting everyone from Oklahoma on a terrorists list due to Timothy McVeigh. I just pointed out he was from NY.
As far as blaming Clinton for Waco. It was his people, his appointees that called the shots.
You may of stated something on taking the blame. This would be a prime example.
For instance the Hurricane Katrina problems were blamed on Bush. Even though the following events happened:
All the citizens were made aware of the hurricane coming.
Buses were sent in to take the destitute people out.
They refused to go.
Helicopters attempted to bring in supplies. They were shot at by the destitute.
After they were able to make it somewhat safe, they took care of business to a point of over kill.
Even today if you apply for a job and was in that mess the employer gets government money for hiring you.
Clintons example was sending out the FBI and every other law enforcement possible to kill peaceful citizens in Waco.
This was done under Janet Reno.
The citizens were just trying to escape the current world system and gather with like minded people. This would be no differences than the Mormons, latter day saints or even the Amish.
They are not like the Muslims that want to blow up American citizens and kill the Christians.
Or kill unarmed soldiers at Ft. Hood.