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1. 

   Dale Hopson said, about 1 year ago

   Aw, who listens to THIS green ol’ maid anymore???

2. 

   lalas said, about 1 year ago

   D@mn french chick! Shouldn’t she be holding up a white flag? :-P

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   HUMPHRIES said, about 1 year ago

   Seem to be a difference of views here.

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   DALLASDAN said, about 1 year ago

   I thought Bushco locked her up to protect our freedoms

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   Simon_Jester said, about 1 year ago

   She was given her freedom a week ago, last tuesday.

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   1MadMan said, about 1 year ago

   Got to weigh in on this one. ‘She’ is the symbol of freedom for ALL Americans and gay marriage is a CIVIL RIGHTS issue and as such should have a federal ruling guaranteeing THAT civil right to all Americans regardless of State law.

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   rikoshayrabbit said, about 1 year ago

   Yeah Humphries… isn’t there a subtle irony here? Marriage isn’t a word… it’s a sentence.

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   curiosity1 said, about 1 year ago

   :-D
   I have hope for a brighter future for California and for America.

   I am disappointed that Governor Schwarzenegger here is once again waffling on where he stands politically on the issue. He has had more opportunities than most leaders to place himself at the forefront of a battle for Liberty (whether Religious or Civil) and each time he has stood on the line with one eye looking at each camp and one side of his mouth saying to them ‘I stand with you’.

   How’s that for a visual for a comic?

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   motivemagus said, about 1 year ago

   curiosity - didn’t the Governator speak out against Prop 8?

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    TheGreatSatan said, about 1 year ago

    Still looking for that passage in the Constitution that says marriage is a right……

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    rikoshayrabbit said, about 1 year ago

    Amendment IX… “The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” The ninth Amendment was so important that many in the convention wanted it to be the first. What it means, simply, is that just because we enumerated several rights previous, do not let it be construed that’s all you’ve got. Your rights are unlimited, as long as you harm nobody. Freedom is responsibility, the two cannot be separated.

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    oldlegodad said, about 1 year ago

    Seems rabbit actually has a copy of the constitution. Amazing, any of the rest of you bloggers have one?

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    Corosive Frog said, about 1 year ago

    I have one, but it’s a french translation at the end of “Histoire des États-Unis” (B.Vincent) It was a textbook for university. It has the declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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    dtriedel said, about 1 year ago

    I do. Several.

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    1MadMan said, about 1 year ago

    I can’t seem to find a passage that says it is NOT a right either. Marriage is a proposal of long term commitment, ergo, should be encouraged regardless of sexual preference. If Marriage does that it is a good thing and I’m all for it. Doesn’t hurt me one iota since I really don’t give a s**t what YOU DO.

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    Michael said, about 1 year ago

    Marriage is a religious institution. All of the opponents to Gay marriage cite the “sacred” aspect of marriage, which indicates it’s religious nature.

    The government has no right to dictate what a religion can or can not do. That IS in the Constitution; it’s known as separation of church and state.

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    HUMPHRIES said, about 1 year ago

    tigernest1, good post, unfortunately the far right doesn’t comprehend the seperation.

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    curiosity1 said, about 1 year ago

    MM - He did and then did nothing. His support has been weak at best. Most of all. He had the opportunity - twice - to sign legislation passed - twice - by our duly elected representatives and he didn’t do so. Yes - I am glad that he has said that he hopes the courts overturn Prop 8.

    TGS - Regardless of whether Marriage is a right or a privilege says nothing to whether or not the Right to equal access to it and Right to equal protection because of it are conveyed by our Constitution.

    RR - Thank you.

    TN1 - Is that a vote for having a separate civil partnership contract open to all couples of adult age deemed mentally fit to enter into a contract legally? If so, rock on!

    Lastly - I will just remind everyone who chooses to read this…
    
    Yes, I am a gay man.
    
    Yes, I am (still) legally married in the State of California.
    
    I doubt anybody on this list knows me or my husband.
    To those in support of ‘free-range marriage’ - I thank you for your support of self-determination and personal liberty, and the recognition of the right to pursue happiness.
    To those opposed, why do you care? Does the fact that I love take food out of your mouth? Does it steal your money? Does it physically hurt you? Being offended by my existence is your right. That right does not trump my right to exist. Do you honestly believe that you have the right to cast judgment on every single human being’s choice of spouse? Why is my marriage not ‘traditional’ but a marriage between a Jew and a Catholic is? Where do you stop in your definition of acceptably ‘Traditional’ marriage? And why should the rest of us have to bow to your definition? Do you think that by denying us marriage you’ll deny us love? That we won’t be open about our relationships? Or will it not stop there…? Is the next step making ME illegal? Am I too ‘non-traditional’? too ‘offensive’?

    This story has a very familiar ring to it…and to those on the fence…study your history…

    Yeah - so I’m a little passionate about this issue…it is only my life after all.

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    TheGreatSatan said, about 1 year ago

    Riko none of your comment showed where it is a constitutional right to be married. Sorry, you’ve lost this one.

    “TGS - Regardless of whether Marriage is a right or a privilege says nothing to whether or not the Right to equal access to it and Right to equal protection because of it are conveyed by our Constitution”

    I would normally agree with you about everyone, no matter what they are should get equal access to rights but marriage is a religious institution and not a right that the government can give you. You have all the rights under civil unions that married couples have but you cannot force religions to accept something that is against their beliefs. That would be the thing that is unfair and oppressive.

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    DALLASDAN said, about 1 year ago

    TGS nobody is forcing conservative churches to perform gay marriages but you can get married at City Hall so gays should be free to do that.

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    rikoshayrabbit said, about 1 year ago

    Nope… wrongo… I didn’t lose that one. My description of the 9th Amendment is concise, but accurate. You have a Right To Be Married. You have a Right To Grow Petunias. You have a Right to do anything you want to do as long as no one is harmed. That’s why the 9th Amendment exists. Why in the hell would you choose to limit your Rights? Regardless of your choosing, the Constitution will not allow your Rights to be denied.

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    rikoshayrabbit said, about 1 year ago

    Marriage might be religious institution, but if you approach your government for a marriage license, it becomes a binding contract involving you, your loved one, and the State. And… the State is the principle party. Love has nothing to do with this one. You, your lover, and Arnold laying right in the middle smoking a cigar. Any children produced in a hetero-sexual marriage are the property of the State. The State always has the final say in the fate of these future tax payers. By inviting the government into your marriage, it will decide all financial matters, if the contract is to end. My advise… I’ve been there and done that… DON’T GET MARRIED!

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    motivemagus said, about 1 year ago

    TGS - I think you have the wrong end of the stick, here. Prop 8 is, in essence, saying that religions that _do_ believe in gay marriage cannot perform them. This is a direct intervention into religion by the state, implicitly on behalf of another religion (since as you note there is nothing in the Constitution regarding marriage), which pretty well stomps all over that “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” piece of the First Amendment.

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    oldlegodad said, about 1 year ago

    There is no separation of church and state in the constitution. PERIOD. Only… shall not establish….in other words kick out the government sanctioned Church of England and tax support thereof. Our beloved Religious Right got it all wrong…so did W and the GOP.GSatan, DD and magmus are ALL correct,

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    Simon_Jester said, about 1 year ago

    oldlegodad71
    Good, then we can start TAXING the churches right now.

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    oldlegodad said, about 1 year ago

    Put in the form of a proposition in your state,if you can. Just don’t expect to get many votes

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    1MadMan said, about 1 year ago

    You are absolutely right tiger, but then there should be NO LAWS, federal,
    state or local that prohibit gay marriage either. It really should be left up to the church itself.

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    shoshanakitty said, 9 months ago

    I agree with 1madman. I am a hetero female, I’m christian, and i’ve never experimented with homosexuality, but i have friends and relatives who are gay. I’ve always thought that people are too concerned with what other people are doing, and I would MUCH rather that my gay friends be married legally, than just be live-ins. They deserve the same opportunities as everyone else.
    
    After all, isn’t America supposed to be the “land of opportunity” “home of the free”
    
    all this doesn’t sound very “free” to me.
    
    I say we all just stay out of other peoples’ business, and let them be happy.