State of the Union by Carl Moore

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mroberts88 said, 13 days ago

Illegal immigration is wrong, and before anyone says it, I’m pro immigrant. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law, dont pay taxes, but want to use the services said taxes pay for. I can understand why they are doing it, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that they are breaking the law.
Edcole1961 said, 13 days ago

Illegal immigrants can’t vote.
dsped said, 13 days ago

Speaking of “undocumented”, is there really much (or any) evidence for this “illegal voting” mantra from the right? (Remember, being registered by ACORN isn’t the same thing as casting a vote in an election)
Alphauno said, 13 days ago

If they are given blessings from Osamessiah to become legal by a stroke of his pen, then he’s counting on more votes for Democrats. A political move. Look how many millions of additional future votes!

They should be shipping illegals back to their own countries to allow legal Americans a chance for jobs.

I don’t think that’s the “change” he’s going for, do you?
Contrarian said, 13 days ago

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that there were 80,000 illegal aliens registered to vote in Chicago prior to the November 2008 presidential election.

The newspaper determined that most of the election fraud was due to motor voter registration laws.

An illegal alien can apply for a driver’s license with a phony social security number, and be automatically registered to vote.

In the 2004 Virginia Senate race, Democrat Jim Webb defeated George Allen by 7,231 votes. The newspaper estimated 42,000 votes were cast by illegal aliens.

The National Voter Registration Act (Motor Voter Law) was signed into law by Bill Clinton.

Opponents of the law were called racists.

It is estimated that there are 2.7 million illegal aliens registered to vote nationwide.

Motor Voter has made it easier to register, but difficult to verify.

Since registration can be done on-line or through the mail, it has added tens of thousands of unqualified voters who, in some cases, are deceased or who have registered more than once.

In close races fraudulent votes can determine the outcome of the election, and undermine the electoral process.
Buzzy-One said, 13 days ago

Just what inquireing minds really need to know. Why just think with scottfreitas’ help one could be a stupid bigot and still be “in th know”
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 13 days ago

I once had to “prove” my citizenship after I moved from 1 State to another - my birth certificate & drivers license from another state wasn’t “good enough”. Even though I grew up in a neighboring town & had recently moved back to help with some family medical issues - they wanted 2 forms of ID that I didn’t have - like a marriage license or passport.

I was perplexed - I ended up getting my old high school year book that “proved” who I was and that I am a 4th generation citizen of the USA. That was in 2002 when one could register to vote when getting a drivers license.

What’s with all this “Hoo Ha” BS that Moore is concerned about - the DMV is very good at what they do to insure U R Who U Claim To Be (at least in my experience).

BTW - I would be considered “WASP” in the old labeling system - in case U were wondering if I looked “Latino” or anyother “color” minority. What a Racist Topic Moore chooses to draw with frequency….and then there’s the Nut Jobs with Scott-Freakout-as with his bigoted racists rants.
sablebrush5 said, 13 days ago

There’s only one way to stop illegal immigration across our southern border… mines. Mine the border. Sure, a few people would be blown up, but the word would quickly get out - don’t try to cross the border illegally unless you want to risk losing your life… Just kidding. Had ya going there, didn’t I?
ARIZONA SEADOG said, 13 days ago

To edcole 1961:
Obviously you don’t live in the Southwest where ACORN registered thousands of illegal aliens to vote.
Lewreader said, 13 days ago

Same day registration. Register at the polling place so they don’t have time to check out your citizenship. Funny for decades the registration deadline worked. Guess it’s racist to verify eligibility.
Chrisnp said, 13 days ago

edcole, I have Hispanic reltives who’ve never became citizens who vote in every election. Apparently it’s wide spread. they also have California drivers licences - apparently you don’t show proof of citizenship at the DMV.

sablebrush, I can see you are joking, but they are already risking their lives. I know along the border in Cochise County Arizona, they were finding bodies just about every week or so when I was there.

I also have a number of legally immigrated neighbors from India and Africa, and they are as angry that we allow the ilegally immigrated here as any nativist, and with more reason when you realize what they went through to get here the legal way.

The system’s broke. The illegally immigrated get victimized, national security is compromised, and competition for jobs - not just agricultural but carpentry, welding, etc. becomes unfair. We gotta fix this.
davesmithsit said, 13 days ago

there is only one way to stop this and that is mandatory jail time for anyone who knowingly hires illegalls and mandatory deportation of any and all illegals found. not to mention ID and statis checks of school kids. also we need to get rid of squat and drop kids!
My2Cents said, 13 days ago

And once the illegals are registered to vote, we have to print the ballot in their language to make sure they vote democrata.

Naturalized citizens must read, write and understand English.

I guess that explains why California prints ballots in 44 languages?!

And when the democratas give assurances that illegals won’t be covered by public health insurance, well, in the words of Joe Wilson…That’s a lie!!!

One provision of the health bill says that medical providers are not permitted to verify citizenship.

Hey, mush-brain liberals…what do you think that means?

Illegals will get public health insurance.

Liberalism—what a crock of sheep-dip.
Jor-El said, 13 days ago

Off-topic, but today (Saturday) the House is considering H.R. 3962–the health reform bill.

The House Joint Committee on Taxation confirmed that under provisions of the bill:

Americans who do not maintain acceptable health insurance coverage and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

The Senate removed that wording from their bill fearing that the threat of imprisonment and fines may cost them their jobs.
DavidDow said, 13 days ago

Oh, this bigotry is so sad. “Illegal” immigration is not a big problem in this country. Almost all the “illegals” have jobs. They work hard, doing jobs that, until the Great Republican Recession, have gone begging for native-born Americans. Although “illegals” don’t pay income taxes, they pay plenty of sales taxes & other taxes, while having a terrible time receiving any benefits from these taxes. There is little evidence that “illegals” vote. California writes its ballot in many languages to ensure that all citizens can vote. Anyone who has tried to read referendum questions realizes that they can be difficult even in one’s first language. Providing ballots in other languages takes a step toward more informed voting.

Scott, your remark is fraught with hatred, bigotry, misinformation, & incorrectness. Then, you claim to be a Christian. What a poor representative of Christianity you are. If I can ever scrape together the energy & at least a half-hour of time, I shall go into more detail about the wrong-headedness of your theology, but not today.

Contrarian, where, precisely, did you read that 42,000 “illegals” voted in Virginia in 2004?

Lew, same-day registration still insists on proof of citizenship. Nice try. I trust that you don’t do your constitutional law work in this slipshod fashion, right?
DavidDow said, 13 days ago

Orlando, Florida (11/06/2009): A man killed one person & wounded five others in an engineering firm. He used a concealed handgun.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 13 days ago

Thanks Jor-El for the update information - Leaving those penalties (fines & jail time) in the Bill would be “Sure Death” for any Health Care Reform Legislation.

There’s a lot of Stupid Things being written about “Liberals” today (and most every day). I’ve got better things to do than to waste time “debating mudslingers” today on a topic that seems to get recycled a lot - illegal immigration. I’m going to a concert tonight & a road trip tomorrow.

This is probably a good weekend for some of those “Funnies” Jor-el. I’ll look for them on Monday!

Adios Amigos!
jmworacle said, 13 days ago

Chrisnp said, about 3 hours ago

edcole, I have Hispanic reltives who’ve never became citizens who vote in every election. Apparently it’s wide spread. they also have California drivers licences - apparently you don’t show proof of citizenship at the DMV.

Then why haven’t you reported them to the authorities.
“Illegal” immigrants are a slap in the face of those who are trying to come to this country legally.
mroberts88 said, 13 days ago

from yesterday Scott, you really think the only casualties were cops and gangsters? That whole thing happened because of over religious zealots like you. Where did you get your stats?
rjvjelly said, 13 days ago

i don’t know where you people get your info, but i worked at a place that hired illegals. they got a pay check, paid taxes( tho most were too afraid to file. since they were making about 17 grand a year, they would have gotten all of it back in their refund). they paid social security taxes using a number they bought, someone was getting the credit for those taxes paid into that account. now figure, these people will never get back the money they pay in taxes, nor will they be able to retire and get back any money they have paid into SSI. tell me, would you do it?
rjvjelly said, 13 days ago

apparentely you think that those roads, curb and gutter, sidewalks, etc just grow out of the ground
mroberts88 said, 13 days ago

David, do you really think that would have happened if one of the victims had a gun? Thats the reason gun control is stupid, cops are minutes away when seconds count.
jack75287 said, 13 days ago

dsped

To answer you in a word Yes. Acorn has register 10 of millions over the last few years. That means millions of illegal and no the word is not undocumented. With something like 1/2 of them in California with something like 55 electorial college votes and 50 some odd congressmen even a few hundred thousands is dangerous.

DavidDow
When you called your self Satpira you proved yourself a bigot. With that many millions of illegal registrants how do any of us know. Think
Virginia Wilch said, 13 days ago

You are SO right, Edcole1961!!! It’s so nice to know that someone else realizes this!
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 13 days ago

jack75238 Re (from 2 days ago): “GJ_Jehosaphat
Sorry but harleyquinn has you dead to rights. You attacked him not his message. You also change the subject when you are losing. Please try to stay focused.

Re (Today): “DavidDow
When you called your self Satpira you proved yourself a bigot…”

I’ve already posted my response to your accusation of “attacking him & not his message” 2 days ago. What’s your excuse for regularly “attacking” DavidDow with this Satpira BS ?

Hummm - 2 use one of your quotes “back at ya”: ”You also change the subject when you are losing. Please try to stay focused.
And I would add - Drop the Satpira line & try to engage in an intellectual discussion!

Word for the Day: Hypocrite

“Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings”

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/HYPOCRITE

I would add another line to the above formal definition of Hypocrite:

3 : jack75287

Edited Addition to respond to the post below:
Re: “B.they right the same read what the man says he writes the same way”

Jack - Please try to use proper English Sentence Structure - including punctuation. When in doubt, consult on-line dictionaries.

Example: “they right” should be: they write
It would make your comments more meaningful for folks trying to understand what you are trying to say.
jack75287 said, 13 days ago

GJ_Jehosaphat

A. I am not the first B. they right the same read what the man says he writes the same way.

When did I change the subject?

As for attacking a person and not the message:

You said:
Word for the Day: Hypocrite

“Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings”

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/HYPOCRITE

I would add another line to the above formal definition of Hypocrite:

3 : jack75287

Thank you for proving me right. You attacked me! Also why did harleyquinn say you attacked him? Yea I know you alreay posted something but honest, do you even know how bad you are behaving.
DavidDow said, 13 days ago

More guns in the office in Orlando, Mrob., would have led to more deaths & wounds, not fewer. The more shots fired, the more bullets flying, the more people hurt or killed. There is a direct correlation. Law enforcement guns may have created some of the victims of Fort Hood: it is still unclear.

Your argument, Mrob., is Archie Bunker’s proposal, almost forty years ago, to solve airline hijacking: Arm all the passengers. It was ridiculous then, and it still is, I’m afraid.

Jelly, thanks for your remarks.

Did Jack attack me, GJ? I do not read his remarks. They are illiterate & irrational. Thanks for springing to my defense. It is pointless to call anyone names, though, even hypocrite, even when it fits. Best to supply reasoned well-written arguments to those who can read & think.
DavidDow said, 13 days ago

Nashville, Tennessee (November 3rd): Homeless man found shot to death. (Maybe we should arm the homeless, Mrob.?)
Roger said, 13 days ago

DavidDow, it’s so sad, in fact disgusting, how you just spew your leftist propaganda, often lying, at best twisting the truth until it barely resembles the facts.

I’ve watched many of our small towns here in Oregon going from no Hispanics when I was a kid to being over 50% Hispanic now. Those towns, that have a huge Hispanic population have major gang problems and extremely high crime, they have removed the traditional town festivals and replaced them with Hispanic pride garbage, etc.

I know that you get all your information from the Obama/Pelosi/Reid websites and you bow down toward the White House and your Lord Obamessiah every morning, but you’ll excuse the rest of us if we don’t join in your perverted religion and worshiping your socialist god.

And sorry, but your “facts” tend to be pulled out of ultra-liberal propaganda and have not the slightest connection to reality.

So, continue your typical bashing of Christians, while making excuses for the atrocities constantly being committed by Muslims- I see plenty of you libs trying to make excuses for the Islamic turd down at Fort Hood, blaming Bush, the military, his colleagues, anything but that poor, misunderstood follower of the “religion of peace”.

You leftists are so sick, so dishonest, so hypocritical and so perverted!
mroberts88 said, 13 days ago

David, there is a reason criminals mug people on colleges, because the targets have no weapons to fight back with.
DavidDow said, 13 days ago

Are college students mugged on campus at rates higher than is the general population, Mrob.? Please show me the stats.

Even if so, does arming 10,000 young men & women who get drunk every weekend sound like a good plan to you?

Roger, your bigotry horrifies me, and your inability to address anything I have written except to call names shows that I have no reason to read any of your remarks.

Mrob., reading Roger’s remarks: How do you feel about his walking through newly Hispanic neighborhoods in his town carrying a concealed weapon? You can hear the hatred in his remark. Some poor Mexican child will wind up dead—and so will Roger.
Ian Valenzuela said, 13 days ago

Show me one. Just one, and I’ll listen. Show me as many illegal aliens who did vote, as legal citizens illegally denied the vote, and I’ll consider your problem legitimate. But this urban legend has such traction on the right, people repeat it over and over and no one ever considers that it is simply untrue.
ReFlex-76 said, 13 days ago

I wanna hear more about these magic cash registers that can tell your citizenship status and not charge you a sales tax if you’re undocumented!
scottfreitas said, 13 days ago

You have google, Ian. just use “illegal aliens voting voters” or something like that, and you’ll either admit it’s a factual problem or continue denying the obvious.

Reflex: so you’re saying all one has to do to be a citizen is just buy stuff? I know I can’t go to Australia and just “buy stuff” and not be deported the first time I come into contact with any law officer who asks me for my ID…

America is supposed to be under the rule of law, yet our politicians–excuse me, Demoncrat politicians!–deliberately violate the law by forbidding both police and other government agencies from asking for proof of citizenship (go to the WIC offices here in my Arkansas city, and the waiting room is filled with mostly Hispanic chicks who can’t speak a word of English, and yet get all the food stamps they want through a spanish-speaking bureacrat who never asks for any ID), as well as by creating “Safe Havens” in major US cities where NO ONE–including both employers and landlords–is allowed to ask for proof of citizenship.. the list is endless.

The Demoncrat Party is the major force behind this because they know these ignorant, illiterate illegals will gladly vote Demoncrat so long as they’re allowed to stay in the US, and given “free” money by the government. These illegals have no respect or appreciateion for why America was founded, what our system of government means, or anything else. They’re just foreigners desperate to escape what their own foolish thinking produces in government, who fail to understand that by bringing that same thinking HERE, they’ll just turn America into the very thing they wanted to escape from.

The Demoncrats are happy to turn America into a third-world nation where only people in government and their corporate allies can enjoy a decent standard of living. They’ll give the rest of us only hand-outs, in return for our votes. That, or punish us for refusing to do what they want…
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 13 days ago

DavidDow Re: Name Calling & Jack the Hypocrite.

Yes I know I stooped to his level - but sometimes it just feels good. I’ve made comments before that jack seems to be talking to himself cause folks don’t pay much attention to him. My Mistake To Read His Posts - I’ll just ignore him & let him play with himself :-))
mroberts88 said, 13 days ago

David, lets think this through. I’ll find the stats tommorow. On arming 10,000 men and women who get drunk every weekend. At 21 I can legally register for a concealed carry liscense, become a cop, buy alcoholic beverages, and get drunk, well, whenever I feel like it. I could also, join the military, and go into Iraq, Afghanistan, or wherever, and fight in a war. What would prevent me from having a PTSD flashback, and taking out kids?

On Roger……I’ve said this how so many times, you should understand this by now. People like Roger, who would do harm to others are the kind of people who shouldn’t own a firearm, of any kind.

Look at Larry Phillips and Emil Matasereanu, if you dont know who they are, look up the North Hollywood Shootout. They were the gunmen. They imported ammunition for ILLEGALLY, modified assault rifles, and body armor. I’m not in Cali, so I’m not sure, I dont think body armor is now, or ever has been legal in Cali, or anywhere else for that matter. The simple fact is, criminals will not be detered by the outlawing of weapons, and any weapon that is outlawed, will only be owned by outlaws. If you remember, the shootout was in 1997, during the assault weapons ban.

GJ, thanks, that put a bad image in my head. lol.
DavidDow said, 13 days ago

Mrob., in order to keep hysterical bigots like Roger from having guns, we need serious gun control. Indeed, there may not be ANY way to prevent him from having a gun, which is the reason that gun ownership requires serious background checks, registration, licensing, & an open list of the names & contact information of all gun owners, including specifics about all their weapons. Given these hoops, roger would at least think more carefully before entering the newly Mexican neighborhood, itching for a fight.

Your description of one person returning from Iraq with post-traumatic stress disorder hardly compares with your implicit suggestion that all college students—10,000 on the average campus—arm themselves & stroll the campus constantly with concealed weapons in case they might get mugged. You know that so many guns would create many more deaths—not to mention how many would get stolen. The more guns in play, the more likely the wrong people will have guns.

Actually, your contention that the outlawing of weapons will not deter criminals is incorrect. Most criminals are lazy. They seek the easiest way to make quick, easy money. The more difficult it is to get guns, the fewer people—including criminals—will have them. In addition, most annual gun deaths & injuries are not caused by people who were already criminals or by assault weapons. They are caused by people who have not committed any sort of serious crime before but who are carrying a handgun.
dipthong liplock said, 13 days ago

I do live in the southwest where acorn signed up hundreds of illegal immigrants and others who are ineligible to vote and not one of them went to the polls and voted. They sign the form to help out the guy standing in front of the library or bus station gathering registrations for a paycheck.
The mistake by acorn was paying these people an incentive for reaching the goal of a specific number of registrations which is dangerously close to paying per registration (which is illegal) instead of a straight hourly wage.
The goal of acorn is to register all of the poor people in the country to vote and motivate them to do so. That’s why they are hated by idiots like Glen Beck and ScottFreitas who, ironically, don’t realize that their snotty, elitist, holier than thou attitudes are exactly like those of the ruling class of mother England that good Americans fought and died to be free of when they tried to force their morals and religion on them. They like to quote the founding fathers but if the founding fathers where here today they’d say “tea party? Really? Racist bleeep party is more like it.
mroberts88 said, 13 days ago

David, you are neglecting key facts. Namely, you have to be 21 to get a CCL, the average student, who graduated H.S. and went directly to college would be 21 by Sr. year. So, there would only be, what 4,000 at most, and not everyone who is 21 has a CCL. Look at a mall, how many are potentially armed in a mall? Yes, guns will get stolen, if I were to give criminals the opportunity, they’d steal my stuff. Keep guns locked up when you are out, and when there are little kids around. That is assuming they dont have a decent to good gun safety mentality. What would the difference be between that, and an apartment complex?

David, if I am in a gang, I am not going to go to wal-mart, or a pawn shop to get my guns, I will either get someone to do it for me, or go to an illegal arms dealer.

Please, David, for the love of God, give me several good reasons why the Gvt. should know what I have in my gun closet, how many, as well as where I live. I have broken no laws that would be a felony.

Yes, I fully agree, guns are dangerous, they dont mix well with idiots, or average people on drugs, alcohol, etc.

There was a kid who was shot last year while trick or treating, sad, I know. He was killed by a felon, with an AK type weapon. Wait….he’s a felon, he shouldnt even have a .22.
mroberts88 said, 13 days ago

The Healthcare Bill passed.
Contrarian said, 12 days ago

David and Mrob

Here is a link that should interest you both:

Gun Violence in America

Now, may I say that alcohol kills more people than do guns.

A lot of people will be angry with me, but I am a prohibitionist.

Alcoholism kills twice as many people (75,000) than do guns.

And that doesn’t include the 50,000 who die in alcohol related car crashes.

I hate alcohol. It is a dangerous drug that many people abuse for the drug effect.

Alcohol kills and is more lethal than guns.
Lewreader said, 12 days ago

David. You say that same day voter registration documents new voters. How? Is there a magic computer that verifies birth, residence, and criminal history at every polling place? Perhaps it’s like the cop shows on TV where volumes of data are available at the click of a Dick Tracy two way wrist watch. I know nobody would use phony documentation to vote for more government goodies for the undeserving. Just like nobody uses their cousin’s papers to get a job. No, people who are ILLEGALLY in this country would not resort to fraud.

Yes, require law abiding citizens to publish that they have guns. Also they should post when they are not home so non-law abiding citizen (or non-citizens) can steal them to use against other law abiding citizens.
DavidDow said, 12 days ago

Thanks, Lew, for the note of support about voter registration. Once you come up with substantial evidence of election fraud by the “undocumented” (as opposed to election abuse by the powerful), then we can discuss.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 12 days ago

Regarding Voter Registration - like Health Care Reform - it’s gonna take a lot of consideration.

I read where there is a bill introduced trying to get Same Day Voter Registration passed on a National Level. Sounds good at first consideration because it increases Voter Participation. But when I think of the long lines of folks waiting their turn - some may give up & go home (even though they could vote after the polls were officially closed - as long as they were in line).

What Oregon does is more logical - they mail the ballots to people’s homes were they can think before they vote.
I’m not sure how “Homeless People” vote (or even how they get their mail - can they afford PO Boxes?).

Maybe this is what all the “Fuss” is about with ACORN - trying to give the dis-enfranchised a chance to vote & have a voice in government. HOW WOULD U PROVE YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF A PRECINCT (IF U DON’T HAVE A JOB, MAILING ADRESS, ETC)?

Here’s some history & statistics - Voting By Mail makes sense to me - do it anyway for Absentee Voters.

http://oregonvotes.org/vbm/history.html
Jor-El said, 12 days ago

Sunday Funnies

GJ_ and I started a tradition of adding humor to the otherwise scratch and claw mudslinging that we all engage in during the week—just to lighten things up a bit here at SOTU.

According to a report on Edmunds.com, the real cost of the Cash for Clunkers program was $24,000 per car. Every car that was traded in cost us, the taxpayers, $24,000. How many people would have rather kept their old car and just got a check for 20 grand from the government? –Jay Leno

Hey, the health care bill was introduced yesterday. It’s 1,990 pages long and costs $894 billion dollars. Or $2.2 million per word. That makes them the most expensive words to come out of Washington since ‘Mission Accomplished.’ –Jimmy Fallon

On Halloween, the President and Mrs. Obama had a couple thousand kids at the White House and instead of candy, they gave out dried fruit. That’s great. You go to the White House, you stand in a security line for three hours, they give you a bag of prunes? I guess that explains why the White House gate was wrapped in toilet paper the next day. -Jimmy Kimmel

A resolution in the House of Representatives to recognize the New York Yankees for winning the 2009 World Series passed easily this week, but fell short of a shutout victory as 47 members of Congress voted Nay on the ceremonial bill. Speaker Pelosi said that she thought everybody loved the Yankees.
__

How did he do that?!

Street Magician David Blaine
mroberts88 said, 12 days ago

Contrarian, you are a prohibitionist. To each his own. Your reasoning for banning alcohol is good, it is abused, and does ruin lives. It has, however been tried, before, and was a failure, well, except for the mafia.

Much like firearms, alcohol, if used irresponsibly, is dangerous. They both can kill, or worse. However, if people were to drink responsibly, there wouldnt be as many alcohol related deaths.

I think, and this is my opinion, that people who drink and drive, should be arrested, no questions asked, and, after 3 attempts, 2 and a half years in prison, with another 2 and a half years in alcohol education, where they will learn the dangers. After that, they will get their licsense back, but, should they be arrested for drinking and driving, 5 years in prison, minimum, and permanent loss of drivers license.

If this were to be done, people would think twice about it.

Ronshua, is that real, or are you being sarcastic?

Lewreader, sounds good, I think criminals would enjoy that.

If there is anything in this post that anyone disagrees with, or if I missed anything, tell me, politely, and I’ll give you my opinion on it.

*The thoughts in this post are mine, the unlawful use of this post without the express written consent of mroberts88 will result in a fine not to exceed $0.00
Jae'da said, 12 days ago
“Facts” are not the weapon of the Right.

“The Republicans at least demonstrate that they WILL listen to ordinary people, and not just focus solely on pleasing their lobbyist groups”
- Oh obviously, that’s why ‘moderate Republicans’ are feeling so welcome in the party right now. Us “demoncrats,” huh? I think Republicanism might appeal to more people if they weren’t living in a glass house lobbing boulders. You have so many immoral people in your own party and yet still continue to point fingers at others. Your own champions run off to Argentina or sit in bathrooms requisitioning sex. Divorce rates are higher in your “family values” states.
- Perhaps if you tried to understand that you can’t legislate morality you would get somewhere with more people, but until you realize with “sexual orientation, gender identity” and “religion” that only ONE of those is a CHOICE and not a birth condition, the CHOICE being RELIGION then you’re not going to get far. Morality isn’t the same as bigotry, which you preach. God never said to preach hatred.
Contrarian said, 12 days ago

mroberts88 said:

Much like firearms, alcohol, if used irresponsibly, is dangerous. They both can kill.

Exactly.

I was hoping that you or David would have made that extended reasoning.

Jae’da commented that we can’t legislate morality.

David proposes tighter controls on gun ownership.

And I want to ban alcohol.

Mrob, if we stiffened penalties on drunk driving, for example, it will not alter or deter people’s behavior.

They will continue to abuse alcohol.

Though I am an advocate of prohibition, it has been tried and failed.

There are over 20,000 gun laws on the books in the United States and, yet, we continue to suffer the agony and horror of gun violence.

Freedom breeds immorality and irresponsibility.
mroberts88 said, 12 days ago

I’ve been out most of the day. I went to church with my gf, and her family, then spent the day with her.

Contrarian, what would you propose?

On the gun laws: Criminals will not follow said laws.

I agree with that last statement.
ReFlex-76 said, 12 days ago

Love the “Demoncrats” from Scott, pretty much his way of telling us he doesn’t want to be taken seriously!