State of the Union by Carl Moore

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mroberts88 said, 23 days ago

Che Guevara, a socialist rebel….now turned icon. Parts of Socialism arent bad, however, when there is complete socialism, that is bad. I wonder, how many of us reading this strip have heard that the U.N. has voted against the U.S. sanctions against Cuba. The collapse of the United Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR), was due to a bad economy, yes, however, that does not mean that all of socialism is bad. Healthcare should be for everyone, regardless of employment.

Isnt Cuba communist?
toasteroven said, 23 days ago

Yeah, Che is just an icon now. Though the third panel is bit… wrong. Che never thought of socialism as bad joke. So Moore’s just as guilty of ignoring the real man as the idiotic college freshman who put his poster up on dorm room walls.

Also:

http://catandgirl.com/?p=658
Radical-Knight said, 23 days ago

Only fools return to continuously complain about cartoons. Intelligence moves on to cleaner watering holes.
toasteroven said, 23 days ago

That’s nice, RK.

Next time, though, try actually saying something. You know, something with even an ounce of substance to it.
NoFearPup said, 23 days ago

Che Guevara, I’ve heard, was disappointed with Castro’s regime; i.e., He became dis-enchanted with what happened in Cuba.
sablebrush5 said, 23 days ago

Let’s see… Che personally executed how many innocent Cubans before he went off to Bolivia to murder Bolivians? Yeah, there’s a role model for you - a murderer who promoted an ideology that has condemned millions to poverty. Anyone wearing a Che T-shirt is flipping the finger at decency.
JDG said, 23 days ago

I did know that the UN is against our sanctions of Cuba and I feel it is time to rethink our treatment of Cuba.
HUMPHRIES said, 23 days ago

Like a peeing contest, no winners and no one catches on.
NoFearPup said, 23 days ago

^So, why do you have a favorite urinator?
olfart said, 23 days ago

Sablebrush;
There is a lot of that “flipping the finger at decency” going around. Why, just yesterday I saw a Bush/Cheney sticker on an suv.
Lewreader said, 23 days ago

Che showed his support for the cause by taking his marbles and leaving when the big boys wouldn’t play his way.
Kees said, 23 days ago

I think the real question is:
What the heck is Moore doing in that shirt!
Did some google and wiki, scratched my brain cels and have to conclude that at least Che kept to his principles, even after he was betrayed by his former friends.
What I found on Moore is less friendly, sometimes it looks like he is the traitor.
hdjeffrey said, 23 days ago

I thought it was pretty dang funny!!
jack75287 said, 23 days ago

Che in the end was a joke. The only thing he ever did right was his firing squads. He even had large bay windows installed into his office so he could watch.

Some of his failures as a communist was getting kicked out of Med school destroying cuban industries as a minister and the stuff in Bolivia.
DavidDow said, 22 days ago

Last, late, reply for yesterday (Monday):

Mrob., I am hardly an expert on anything about Roman Polanski (though THE PIANIST is a lovely movie), but I do not think that he was convicted of anything prior to his plea of guilty in the case involving him & Samantha Gailey.

I miswrote in my last remark and have changed it: Laura Bush did not run someone over. She ran a stop sign, ran into a car driven by her friend, and killed him. To have done all that, she was probably driving pretty fast. She was never charged with any crime. Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e1698.htm. (Polanski could return to America wearing a t-shirt that says, “Unlike Laura Bush & Ten Kennedy, I never killed anyone.”)

As to guns, I do not want to outlaw guns. I respect the Second Amendment in its exact wording. Guns’ lawfulness relates to having a well-regulated militia. Thus, all gun owners must pass rigorous tests. All guns should be licensed. In addition, all gun licenses along with the information about the guns must be public information. Gun owners should not see themselves as simply protecting themselves but protecting all of us. If you own a gun, then you take a greater responsibility in the neighborhood to keep everyone safe, which means, firstly, keeping your gun under lock & key, not carrying it around with you. You are not part of a well-regulated militia when you walk around, individually, with a concealed weapon.

Yes, if someone attempts to enter your home unlawfully, then you may grab your gun, although your ‘phone may do you more immediate good—or simply having an alarm on your house. I have lived fifty years on this planet & have yet to have need of a gun. My parents are almost eighty. They, too, have never needed a gun. Living a peaceful, non-violent life is a worthy goal and not difficult to achieve. Too many gun owners are not responsible and live in too much fear & paranoia.

I don’t think that I wrote that firearms hinder law enforcement. I wrote that the police would often—if not usually—prefer that citizens not have so many weapons & not take them out too readily. In times of crisis, emergency, or misunderstanding, people with guns can make a situation worse & more dangerous, not better & safer. Indeed, one reason that police enter so often with guns drawn or in great wariness is that Americans own way too many guns, and the police expect that one might be turned on them. Countries with stricter gun laws frequently have some police without guns, too. Any newspaper will report, every week, of cases when people, arguing about this or that, take out guns & someone winds up injured or dead. It is definitely true that the surest way to have someone you in your house hurt by a gun is to have one in your house.

To return to today’s strip: At least Carl Moore has left chatting inaccurately about Roman Polanski. His blurring the distinction between socialism & communism, however, is not any better. In addition, Cuba has definitely been better under Fidel & Raul Castro & communism than it was under Batista & unregulated capitalism. Moreover, if the U.S. had helped Fidel Castro fifty years ago, when he was overthrowing Batista, then Castro would not have joined the Soviet Union. He was not a dyed-in-the-wool communist. He wanted a better life for the ninety percent of Cubans living in terrible poverty. The U.S. has too often sided with the dictator against the popular uprising, and Cuba is an example.

Mrob., you are correct in your assessment of socialism & of the need for universal health-care. Thanks. Toaster, you, too, make a good point. Thanks. I agree with you, too, JDG. If the U.S. would begin trade with Cuba, we could quickly turn Cuba into a capitalist-socialist state with free elections, much like the U.S. No one wants unregulated capitalism. We have had it. It does not work. The ideal economy mixes socialism & capitalism in a model seen in Europe & somewhat in the U.S. None of could survive without social services & social protections that capitalism abhors. We need to move to a society in which technology provides more of the labor, in which we work fewer hours and practice less greed, in which we have more free time in our short lives to study & to do good, and in which we ensure that everyone on the planet has the basic necessities, the basic utilities: clean air, decent food & drink, sufficient housing, regular & urgent health-care, heat, electricity, & communication.

Okay, I am off to pack, maybe do laundry, buy tickets, work, check on my bank account, deposit checks, & prepare for a teaching weekend. Gotta make some coffee & eat breakfast, too. Good day, all.
mytinytown said, 22 days ago

Liberals love socialism. Go figure.

This just in, the swine flu is really Tuberculosis? Is this why the vaccine does not work?
http://www.rense.com/general88/flu.htm

Very interesting. Maybe this is why the Swine Flue vaccine doesn’t work?
Kees said, 22 days ago

DavidDow,
I hope you still have the energy to do all the things you said in the last 3 lines. Quite some lengthy text! but it cut wood!
enjoy your breakfast, I start the preps for Diner.
someone_different said, 22 days ago

Ever notice how most of those putting down socialism claim to be god fearing religious people? Churches are socialist organizations,religion is the most socially repressive and destructive form of socialism yet created by man,so you really should learn about what of you speak.So wrapped up in various myths that you don’t even see reality
mytinytown said, 22 days ago

someone_different
Wow, very insulting post you have there. Which “belief” do you use? Darwin’s? Did we all come from monkeys? Cosmic soup came together and formed our world? I am wondering what “myth” you believe.
How are churches socialist organizations anyway? I wouldn’t mind some proof.
Redkaycei said, 22 days ago

Hear! Hear!.. Kudos DavidDow. Very thoughtful remarks.. Duck!…the Haters will come out shooting…..
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

sable, its entirely more likely that they don’t know who che guevara was.

David, living a nonviolent life would be good. I’m glad you and yours havent had to use a gun in self defense. However, I’m against licensing, or any other way of the government knowing who does and doesnt have guns. Enjoy your trip.

someone_different, would you mind explaining what you mean by that?
jack75287 said, 22 days ago

someone_different/DavidDow/Satpiera

New name same shtick. Speaking about what you know about learn something about churches and the people in them.
JmcaRice said, 22 days ago

Socialism in theory (on paper) is wonderful; everyone is equal and happy.

Socialism in reality (as actually governed) is a disaster. In the name of making everything and everyone equal; governments had to supress dissent and eliminate individual rights.

Socialism can never work in its purest form because human beings are NOT selfless. At least capitalism takes this into account.
butch1942 said, 22 days ago

Dave still wish your parents had gone to that movie
mytinytown said, 22 days ago

DavidDow
Reading your post about a “well regulated militia” so you do not think a militia protects all the time? Even walking alone? You have a sick twist on the 2nd amendment. It is nice how you liberals love so much to call the constitution a “living document”, but refuse to use that logic on the 2nd amendment and give it little respect.
Hey, about that, did our founding fathers (you recall these are the ones that wrote this amendment) go through rigorous training and register their guns making it public knowledge? Nope they did not. I will also say, how does a law biding citizen pose a threat to you walking around with a concealed weapon? You know the “bad guys” do care and how do you protect against this?
BTW all my guns are under lock and key, even the loaded one. I lock my house all the time. So no one can get in and steal them.
DavidDow said, 22 days ago

Oh, and I have to get the trash out today. It’s trash pickup day. That bleeep socialism at work again, making the city better!

TinyT., you make no argument against my reading of the Second Amendment. You simply call me names. Amongst the writers of the Second Amendment, some had guns & some did not; some had slaves & some did not; some lived in cities & some on plantations. Their world is much too different from ours to be of much use.

When a man enters a school carrying a concealed handgun, all our children’s lives & all our public servants lives are at greater risk. I’m surprised that you can’t see that. I am glad that “all [your] guns” (how frightened are you?) are under lock & key. Make sure that your sons don’t find the key. I’d hate for your family to be another of those sad items that regularly make the newspapers. My best to your wife & to little Gracie. When does the older boy start school?

(One last note: Mrob. & TinyT, the Columbine killers agreed with your attitudes about guns.)
Alphauno said, 22 days ago

someone_different said, “Ever notice how most of those putting down socialism claim to be god fearing religious people? Churches are socialist organizations,religion is the most socially repressive and destructive form of socialism yet created by man,so you really should learn about what of you speak.So wrapped up in various myths that you don’t even see reality”

That’s so nice you atheist moron. The problem with atheism is that there is no higher truth. Whatever humans have done evil in the name of God is no different than a Jody Foster fan doing evil.

This country was founded with the intent it would not be run under any religious organization. Smart move, truly. More so, it gives everyone their individual right to trust in their deity or their God. The separation of church and state is just that.

The fact is, this is a democracy. You have the right to move to another county if you think socialism is such a great ideology…Believe me, no one is going to stop you! As a matter of fact, I’ll be on the dock, border, or airstrip waving “bye bye” to you!

America didn’t become the greatest nation in the world from being socialist. Socialism would be the absolute downfall for America.
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

David, at some point you will have to realize, I’m against psychos having guns. The columbine shooters had stockpiled weapons in their rooms, and made blogs detailing how to make explosives. Someone, like the parents, should have noticed, “oh, hey, little johnny is in his room, and bringing home new weapons.” I’m not saying take away the kids freedom, if he wants to stay in his room, let him, but the warning signs were their, and should have been seen.

Now, I’m surprised you didnt bring up VaTech, seeing as how it is more current. I am all for students with concealed carry on college campuses. That is, if they are of the legal age, 21, and have the licensing for it.

If their are guns in the house, the kids should be taught to be careful with them.
jmworacle said, 22 days ago

I guess the entire viewing audience of MSNBC got to see Michael Moore’s cure for insomnia. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t re-coup his suckers er investors money from DVD sales.
DavidDow said, 22 days ago

The result of unregulated gun ownership: Yahoo: “2 men shot in legs outside LA synagogue” (http://news.yahoo.com).

Mrob., how do you propose preventing “the psychos” from getting guns?
Paul Stoddard said, 22 days ago

It’s a pity no one realizes that communism and socialism aren’t the same thing.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 22 days ago

mytinytown Re: “How are churches socialist organizations anyway? I wouldn’t mind some proof.” How about: Acts 4:32

32 Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common.

Sounds Socialist To Me!
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

background checks are a good way of preventing that, david.

The shooting of two men as they were going to an early morning service is terrible. However, if one of them had a gun, both wouldnt have been shot in the legs. That is the reality of gun control, the law abiding have nothing to protect themselves when seconds count, and law enforcement is minutes away.
mytinytown said, 22 days ago

DavidDow
Nice, you basically said the Constitution does not matter, our country is too different now. If a LAW BIDING citizen steps in school with a gun (first he would be breaking zoning laws) nothing bad would happen. If a person gets a concealed weapons permit they are not planning on going in a school and causing a fuss. That person would grab a gun and go with out the permit. I have no sons FYI.
How frightened am I? Because I have guns?
Well for the record I have a 9mm semi-auto pistol with 4 16 round clips (loaded). 1939 German Mauser (hanging on my wall), Tactical .308 with scope, std. .308, 3 .22 (2 scoped rifles and 1 Luger pistol, 16 g pump and a 12 g auto. Most from my dad.
You asked mroberts88 “how do you propose preventing “the psychos” from getting guns?”
Arm yourself and let the psychos know they are not the only ones with guns. That is a big blow to their ego.

mroberts88
You got that right about columbine, or most killers for that matter. As well, yes kids need to know about guns and what they can do. Everyone knows ignorance is the start of most issues. My oldest is 3. I feel with her intellect I’ll probably let her shoot a .22 at 5.

GJ_Jehosaphat
Your biblical “socialism” sounds more like love to me. That is someone giving up their personal possessions with free will, not Government force. But thank you for trying.
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

Tinytown, that is a good step, arming yourself.

You seem to like the german WW2 era weapons. Shooting a .22 at 5, if she knows safety, is good.

One question, you said earlier, that you lock your doors and guns are in a safe. You just said, that your mauser is hanging on the wall. Now, I dont know where your ammo is. If it isnt locked up, a criminal could break a window, and come in, steal your mauser, and ammo, take you, and anyone else out that enters the house, steal the other weapons, and pawn them. If the ammo is locked up, good. Doors only keep out the law abiding. You should invest in a home security system, like Brinks, or a dog.
someone_different said, 22 days ago

jack75287 said, about 3 hours ago

New name same shtick. Speaking about what you know >about learn something about churches and the people in >them.

Churches (plural) are generally socially destructive,just look at history,
Church (individually) I will agree that some individual churches are very good places,and I think that is because of the inviduals associated with that particular church

mytinytown said, about 5 hours ago

someone_different
Wow, very insulting post you have there. Which “belief” do >you use? Darwin’s? Did we all come from monkeys? >Cosmic soup came together and formed our world? I am >wondering what “myth” you believe

I don’t see how it insulting unless it’s just question your belief.
Darwin doesn’t need “belief” ,the science is all there to see if you just want to look.I don’t need to believe in myths,and I don’t need some magical mystical monster threatening me with extermination if I don’t bow down to it and do as I’m told.I’m assuming TT that you are christian,read your bible it’s nothing but threat of extermination if you don’t do as you are told,same as most of the religious organizations on the planet,back to the socialism statement.
mytinytown said, 22 days ago

mroberts88
I like WWII guns, I want a M1 really bad. But I get what I can.

someone_different
Darwin is a THEORY which in most ways is a belief. In fact it is a theory that can not be proved, wonder why? I also understand it takes alot of faith to believe in evolution.
Religion vs socialism:
Religion is not socialism because it is your choice, not forced on to you by the government. With religion you have free will. With government socialism you do not. I do not give to someone because I am told I must. I give because I want to and I can choose who i give what to. Not the government. A bit of a difference if you ask me. But bible haters won’t see it that way so save your fingers.
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

someone_different, its still a theory. Until it is proven, it will remain a theory. What makes darwinism any different that intelligent design? Evolution could have happened, or we were created by God, or God created us through evolution. How are churches destructive? They teach how to treat your neighbor as you would want to be treated. They arent destructive, until they are mixed with politics, then they can be destructive, but alot of good can come from it.

mytinytown, nothing wrong with WWII guns. I’m trying to get a Mosin-Nagant within a year.
someone_different said, 22 days ago

mrroberts88 and tinytown

Evolution in demonstratable science,why do you think last year flu vaccine won’t work on this years flu.
Oh sorry! your benevelent god changes it just for personal amusement.
Roger said, 22 days ago

Hey, the pervert DavidDow equates a filthy old pervert like Polanski, drugging and raping a 13 year old girl, to Laura Bush, as a girl, getting in an automobile accident!

People, this is yet another of the endless examples of the sickness of these ultra-liberals!

Gag, they make me want to throw up! Nanny state socialists are worse than a pile of garbage on a 120 degree summer day!
DavidDow said, 22 days ago

Which socialism will pick up, Roger.
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

someone, this is going to take time to create a vaccine. Explain, how from nothing, life was formed, how a baby can drop to under a pound, and survive, and live a healthy life. There are miracles that cant be explained through science.
worldisacomic said, 22 days ago

Rome was destroyed from within. And judging by the comments of David “Nero” Dow. The fiddling has begun while the U.S. burns and consumes itself from within!
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

world, the Roman empire collapsed because the empire was too large to maintain, disease, and political corruption.

I dont know what DavidDow has to do with any of that.
someone_different said, 22 days ago

mrroberts88.I can’t explain how life began or how some life is manages to beat the oddsJust because science does not have all the answers,probably never will, it doesn’t mean you need myth and magic to fill in the gaps.Personally the myth/magic method of filling in the gaps is just plain lazy, Oh! we can’t answer that right now then is must be god/creator ,or thats way too complicated for us puny humans to make,must be designed by a superior being.Whe religion ruled the world absolutly it is referred to in history as the dark ages.The church killed and tortured anybody that questioned god.Eventually the church just could killed enough people fast enough so it changed it’s tactics.that was the christian church,the same stupidity is currently goiing on in the muslim world, sooner or later they to will lighten up.
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

Ok someone, tell me, how did life happen? How did nothing create something?
Dypak said, 22 days ago

DavidDow - From yesterday
No, Dypak, I’m terrible at links. My morality easily transcends yours. Please do some research in this matter & don’t work from ignorance.
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Dow, I don’t need to do any research. Thanks to your grotesque, morbid fascination with the subject you’ve done enough for all of us here. And I don’t doubt your facts one bit. I am sure every fact you give is correct.

It’s your evil, misguided interpretation of the facts that horrify me. How you can smoothly inform us of, and then defend such acts is frightening. I wonder how many other people there are who can apparently function in society and yet so easily hide the monster within them. You can’t be the only one wandering around unsupervised out there.

Good luck with the teaching weekend. I hope you learn something.
garfieldfan2222 said, 22 days ago

Someone different,

First off, I want to thank you for your honesty in saying that evolution cannot answer where life came from. There are some evolutionists who will not admit to this. I have met them. Now, don’t get me wrong, I know there are some very brilliant people who believe in evolution. But it’s not as widely accepted as most people think. I saw a poll that showed that about 50% of Americans believe that God used evolution to create the world. 38% believe in the Biblical 6 day creation. 10% believe in evolution, and 2% didn’t know what they believed. The answer to where life came from is a crucial issue because it deals with the starting point of everything in the world today! Evolution has no answer. Creation does. Evolution has no written account to document the beginning of the world (it is based on assumptions and unproven hypotheses). Creation is supported by God’s written account. Now, you can choose to disbelieve the Bible if you want. But to write something off as mythical or magical when you yourself have no answer is foolish!

That said, on to the issue of the church. You obviously do not understand that there are many, many, many denominations (types of churches). You have Reformed Baptist, Southern Baptist, Reformed Presbyterian, Orthodox Presbyterian, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Methodists, Eastern Orthodox, & Roman Catholics just to name a few!! I will grant you that there are certain denominations whose history is dark. The most obvious one is the Roman Catholics and the dark ages. It all happened because the church was given state power as well: power to deny people the ability to read, power to condemn, power to put people to death, etc. The Roman Catholic Church’s history drips with the blood of thousands of people who were put to death or persecuted for being of different faiths or beliefs. The Presbyterian church, too, has been guilty of this in history, though to a lesser degree. BUT…you cannot take the examples of evil in the church and generalize Christianity with it (and I don’t consider the Roman Catholic Church a Christian denomination - too much of what they believe is directly contrary to Scripture).

The truth is that the true church (the church that operates according to Biblical standards) does nothing but help society! Church is not all about fire and destruction. God will punish sin, but He is also a God of love and compassion and mercy.

In regards to the passage from Acts, that was something that that particular church did because it was beneficial and wise in that situation. That is not a universal principle that all churches are held to.

In regards to the passage regarding the rich young ruler, Jesus was dealing with his heart. Jesus knew that he loved his possessions and wealth too much, and He was showing the rich young ruler this by commanding him to sell all. Jesus was not saying that everyone who believe must sell everything they have. Rather, as He said in other passages as well, those who would follow him must forsake all they have (that is, they must not treasure anything above Him. They must use their possessions and money wisely, but no matter how much they have, they must not love their possessions and money).

By the way, just an interesting bit of info. When the Pilgrims first came to Plymouth Rock, they went to the passage in Acts and decided that they would put all their crops together that year and make it a communal supply. Well, that first year, many died from malnourishment because some of those who came (in particular, the ones who came with the Pilgrims with the purpose of seeking riches) did not put in the work to growing their share of crops. Granted, it didn’t help that no one knew much about farming that particular land. Anyways, after that awful first year, the Pilgrims decided to change how things would work. Everyone would grow their own crops. What you grew was what you ate. If you were lazy and didn’t work, you would starve. Obviously, they made provision who worked, but had failing crops or some other misfortune. So, what I’m saying is that communism and socialism don’t work because not everyone is a hard-working “good” individual.
Ronshua said, 22 days ago

Mat 19:21 יהושע said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven. And come, follow Me.”
Mat 19:22 And when the young man heard the word, he went away sad, because he had many possessions.
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Dypak said ..I wonder how many other people there are who can apparently function in society and yet so easily hide the monster within them..

There’s a brand new “New World Order” just around the corner . Brother we will all find out , in shock and ah .
mroberts88 said, 22 days ago

Garfieldfan, how is catholocism not christian?