State of the Union by Carl Moore
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State of the Union is the result of a self-professed "fallen liberal’s" journey from radical socialism to conversative cartooning. Combining startling caricatures with a sly sense of humor and a sharp eye for satire, this innovative new strip will be sure to tickle your funnybone while making you think.
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mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
Capitalism and Socialism in their purist form dont work. A mixture of both is required to be fair.
David, you bring up good points, and those are the same reasons legalizing those drugs make sense. I am interested however, and to my knowledge we dont yet know this, if drugs were to be legal, how much, if any, would the crime rate in this nation diminish?
Vasmosn said, about 1 month ago
Well, if Prohibition was any clue, yes.
toasteroven said, about 1 month ago
Huh. This is the first caricature of Carl Moore’s I’ve seen that actually resembles the person it’s supposed to. And I kind of agree with it. Michael Moore is obnoxious.
Now if only Carl could tell a decent joke, he’d be three for three.
Ronshua
said,
about 1 month ago
יהושע wept.
sablebrush5 said, about 1 month ago
Why does anyone take Michael Moore seriously? The guy is promoting socialism, an ism that died a miserable death with the fall of the Soviet Union.
Actually socialism was understood by most people to be moribund by the 70s and 80s. Even the Russians knew it was dead by then… or should I say especially the Russians knew by then that it was a total flop. It hasn’t worked anywhere. Just the opposite. Wherever it’s been seriously tried it has resulted in stagnation, poverty, scarcity and boredom. Yet here comes this bloated buffoon attacking capitalism and touting the wonders of socialism and Hollywood and the liberal media treat him like he’s saying something important. He’s not. He’s mouthing the cliches of the left, the silly nonsense that sees Cuba as some kind of model society and wave of the future. No wonder he’s an Obama brown-noser - they’re made for each other.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago
Mrob., I don’t have the time to do the research,but I suspect that you could get some good numbers with the help of your criminal justice profs. & a university librarian. Considering how many people are imprisoned on drug-related offenses (a vast number of female prisoners), I imagine that legalizing marijuana would cut those numbers. Certainly, legalizing more drugs would cut them further, but we could discuss each drug in turn.
Pot is pretty bleeep harmless, though–at least no worse than cigarettes or alcohol.
sherpafree said, about 1 month ago
If we shipped Michael Moore to Afganistan (parcel post)
we would have the makings of a fairly good science fiction movie-like ‘Dune’.
farren
said,
about 1 month ago
Sablebrush, maybe you should either be quiet or go back to school. Socialism does not equal Communism, never has, never will.
gbrucewilson said, about 1 month ago
farrem, Then why was it called the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics”? The main difference I can see is under Communism the government owns everything. Under Socialism, the government owns the important stuff and controls everything else. So, it boils down to private ownership. Communists don’t have it and Socialists do.
One questions Moore always aviods is how he makes so much money. Answer: Capitalism. Typical liberal thinking. They rules apply to the lower class, not me.
pschearer
said,
about 1 month ago
To be specific, socialism is the wider term, incorporating communism, fascism, and the welfare state as the major forms in the last 100 years (setting aside minor versions like hippy communes, Israeli kibbutzes, certain religious orders, etc.)
In communism, all major economic activity is owned by the state. Fascism is a minor variation in which there is a pretense at private ownership while all major economic activity is as centrally managed by the state as under communism. And in the welfare state, the resource that is nationalized and managed by the government is the unfortunate taxpayer.
Before the last presidential election I predicted America was heading toward Swedish-style welfare state socialism. But I have had to change that view. Under Obama, we are managing to move toward all three forms at the same time.
cabrobst said, about 1 month ago
Pure capitalism would be like a return to 1860.
Pure socialism, Stalinist USSR.
Moderation in all things.
rricchhterr said, about 1 month ago
caffeine is worse than marijuana, and alcohol is worse than caffeine. the thing with marijuana is it impedes your thought process.
most are slow as is,
don’t think l would recommend it.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago
Sable, Bruce, & Pschear, why are you against our having police, fire departments, interstate highways, cleanliness & health inspectors for food & restaurants? Why do you want TinyT.’s new baby to be hurt? Don’t you want the car seat he buys for little Gracie to meet a safety standard? And the roads he takes her on, don’t you want them to be paved & safe? When she gets older, don’t you want her to have libraries to go to & parks to play in?
This is all socialism. If you are against socialism, then you are against everything I listed. That’s not a country in which I want to live. Do you?
Lewreader
said,
about 1 month ago
Daviddow.. I could be mistaken but a long time ago a group of men wrote a paper keeping these powers out of the hands of the federal government. Government should do for the people what they can’t do for themselves. My town can build a library. My state can build a road.. And by God, morality can be regulated locally
Would the same Hollywood actors who are telling us a pedophile rapist is not guilty because he’s a great artist be elected to federal office, what would the people do? Oh wait, we do elect them into office because Americans think talk shows are news shows..Michael Moore’s movies are Documentaries?. The X-Files and Al Gore’s movie are just as believable.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago
Lew, you DID elect a Hollywood actor, some 29 years ago. He tanked the economy, and we still pay the price, and he thought that he was in World War II when he was simply pretending on a movie lot. As far as we know, he was not a pedophile, merely a hypocrite & philanderer. However, the man you voted for last year, though not a Hollywood actor, was, indeed an adulterer &, like Roman Polanski, sought sexual partners much younger than he. Although not 43 when his current wife was thirteen, he was 31, which would have been just as heinous, wouldn’t you say? In addition, he placed on his ticket, a woman whose family also practices pedophilia, as their eldest daughter, emulating her mother, had sex outside of marriage AND while still a minor.
This discussion of your sexual pathologies, however, doesn’t belong in this forum. We were discussing socialism, and you were agreeing with me: your TOWN can build a library. In other words, you will pay for a library that you might not use: that is SOCIALISM. Your state can build a road. In other words, I might pay for a road in east Tennessee that I may never use: SOCIALISM. When society requires people to pay for goods & services from which they do not directly benefit, that is socialism.
When I go to Best Buy & purchase a television, I pay for it; I get it home, and I watch it: CAPITALISM. When I put down hard-earned money to pave a road so YOU can get to work: SOCIALISM. You couldn’t live without socialism, and neither could I. Your food would be filthy; your colleague in a wheelchair would be trapped at home; your child would sit in a car-seat without any guarantee of safety.
Thank you, Lew, for avoiding some of my points & supporting the rest. By the way, the federal government helped your town’s library AND your state’s roads. Without socialism, you would be dead.
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago
For the strip: Hot air rises.
As for drugs if we legalize it we will have less crime because the use of drugs will be legal. You still have to deal with the common junkie. The guy who will do anything for a fix. More muggings, more home breakins were some one gets killed.
It is true that there are few people in that bad of shape but they do create an overwhelming amount of crime for there numbers. With no deterrent for such people will we not have a lot more of them.
We will also have far more people who just want to stay home and get stoned which means less tax payers and more wellfare.
With even more money going out and less coming in I do not see how this will help.
It is harder to change bad behavior then to create or end a law to make the world behave the way you want but sometimes it is worth the effort.
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago
David said
Sable, Bruce, & Pschear, why are you against our having police, fire departments, interstate highways, cleanliness & health inspectors for food & restaurants? Why do you want TinyT.’s new baby to be hurt? Don’t you want the car seat he buys for little Gracie to meet a safety standard? And the roads he takes her on, don’t you want them to be paved & safe? When she gets older, don’t you want her to have libraries to go to & parks to play in?
This is all socialism. If you are against socialism, then you are against everything I listed. That’s not a country in which I want to live. Do you?
Diddn’t Satpiera say the same thing.
pbuckland said, about 1 month ago
Arguing that roads and bridges etc. are socialism is merely playing with semantics. As pschearer pointed out there are various forms of socialism, and indeed varying degrees of the same form of socialism. The primary arguments have to centre around whether or not government ownership and control of the means of production and economic activity in any specific instance would be better or worse than private capital doing the same thing, and also the extent to which governmental controls and regulations might be required.
For an enlightening view of the effect of socialism on roads and bridges the following link may be eye opening:
http://mises.org/story/2670
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago
Thomas Jefferson was an agrarian mercantilist. It was an economic model, fueled by slavery, that was predominant until the Civil War.
The Republican platform of 1860 was anti-agrarian.
In the purest sense, what we have today bears no resemblance to the 19th century vision of Abraham Lincoln’s industrial capitalism which, in itself, had many flaws.
Today’s investment–or speculative–brand of capitalism is not built on anything of value. It is a house of cards…a ponzi scheme…a racket that is built on the exchange and trade of pieces of paper.
Workers are devalued and jobs are lost as corporations no longer focus on employee welfare–but shareholder’s dividends.
And it is all greased by a dollar bill that is nothing more than a fiat currency–which explains the inflated value of gold.
That is the capitalism that Michael Moore is railing against.
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
David, crime would drop considerably. Gangs would have less to fight over, prison populations would decrease. There would still be those trying to make a buck without working for it, but that is to be expected.
Jack, if people can get what they want legally, why would they continue to break the law?
Jor-El said, about 1 month ago
When Henry Ford shortened the work day, added a third shift, hired more workers and increased their pay to $5.00 per day–it was considered revolutionary.
Building a prosperous middle class became a national goal.
Our parents and grandparents grew up in a day when employees were considered an asset. Today, workers are downsized, laid-off, outsourced and cheapened like overstocked inventory.
An earlier generation of Americans can remember when they were hired for life, and treated fairly.
That capitalism died long ago.
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
Jor-El, the reason for that capitalism dying is simple. People want to make money without paying employees. Its all about getting money.
scottfreitas
said,
about 1 month ago
I love small business and free enterprise, but despise corporations with every fiber of my being. They are a failed concept for all the same reasons James Madison pointed out in Federalist 51, concerning Man’s relations toward government:
“If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In forming a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”
THIS is the fatal flaw in Corporations. They exist purely to earn a PROFIT. They do not care who they hurt, who they oppress, how much their workers suffer, or how much added work they pile onto their workers over time, without piling on added wages to compensate.
Or, specifically in connection with the above Federalist quote: corporations are NOT run by angels. They are instead run by bean-counters, who murder their own consciences and measure EVERYTHING purely in terms of “the bottom line.” They assuage their guilt by claiming to be acting for the benefit of the shareholders, yet in every corporation we see a tiny handful of Upper Management pukes living lavish lifestyles. Literally living in palaces (we call them mansions in the west, so as to distance ourselves fromn Royalty), riding in limousines, flying in private jets, paid salaries so huge that on average 820 ordinary workers from that same corporation must be combined to equal their pay.
A typical US corporation is a McDonald’s, a Wal-Mart, an EZ Mart, where billions of dollars are earned, all of those billions passing through the hands and from the sweat of workers earning at or near the minimum wage.
These “unskilled’ workers typically toil like animals, working hard and fast all day long, dealing with both abusive bosses and an abusive John Q. Public. As a rule, they have no benefits, no health care, no retirement, no 401k, NOTHING. They are like the horses from Animal Farm, laughed at by the Pigs and made to think if they just work a little harder. everything wil be ok.
These same abuses can and do occur within some small businesses, yes. But as a rule, it’s far less common. Small business typically equates into the boss right there toiling alongside the workers. He knows their names, he knows their plights, and if business gets good and he finds himself getting wealthier than he expected, he awards raises and / or provides benefits to the workers whom he knows helped make it all possible.
Corporations for the most part do NOT do this. You can be the best clerk at an EZ Mart for years and never get a raise, or at best one so tiny as to make no real difference in your life. Meanwhile EZ Mart’s 500 stores are earning record profits, their management pukes are rolling in dough, and then one day the clerk gets ill or his car’s engine blows and he’s unable to work / get to work and EZ Mart terminates him and hires someone else and the beat goes on (insert Wal-Mart’s name if you prefer, or McDonald’s. it’s all the same).
Corporations both exploit capitalism and corrupt governments by using their wealth earned off the backs of basically slave labor, in order to bribe politicians to write laws which allow them to grow wealthier and wealthier. This is FACT.
Because our Supremely Stupid Court legally treats corporations as persons, they are free to continue corrupting and distorting our political process forever. I see no way to change this until people turn off Oprah and American Idol and make this into a campaign issue.
Take away ALL ability of corporations to influence politics, for a start. Frankly i just wish the whole gd concept could be done away with all together. Businessmen do not need corporations to accomplish great things. Corporations may have been born into Capitalism, but they stink of Marxism to me, with China proving to everyone once and for all how neatly hand-in-glove corporations and Communism fit together..
GJ_Jehosaphat
said,
about 1 month ago
Socialism on the Local, State & National Level = Government Services.
Socialism on the Personal Level = Co-Ops - There’s many - here’s the Wiki List:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative
We’re a Social People - Living in a Cooperative World.
I agree with Jor-El & Contrarian that the “capitalism” of the past is not what’s being touted as “capitalism” today.
Wall Street has become the corporate “PIGGY BANK” used to make individuals “RICH”. When companies that have been around for generations go bankrupt (Autos) & their stocks become worthless - who’s to blame?
The first Michael Moore movie I saw was Roger & Me - 1989 Flint Michigan when 30,000 folks lost their jobs. His films show what happens in communities - to individuals. Agree or not with his politics - he has a heart for the common man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger%26Me
HARVIN GWIN said, about 1 month ago
BOX SCORE
Michael Moore 58
US Corporate State 0
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago
Scott
That was very deep.
Jefferson did not label it as such, but the corporatism that seems to be the issue of criticism, was a primary concern of 18th century mercantilists.
In his book, Notes on the State of Virginia, Jefferson complained about the corruption, dependence, subservience, and venality of a manufacturing (or industrial-based) economy.
He described it as, A degeneracy…a canker which soon eats to the heart of (our) laws and constitution.
Of course, the old system was built upon slavery and it had to fail.
Corporatism, built upon greed and exploitation, will fail, too.
Tigger
said,
about 1 month ago
MM is against Caspitalism albeit if it were not for Capitalism, he would not be able to pump out is Documentray Garbage.
William Wilkerson
said,
about 1 month ago
Blah Blah Blah ! ! !
jmworacle said, about 1 month ago
Mr. Moore is getting a dose of that “evil” capitalism. It seems the entire audience for MSNBC has watch the movie and that is about it.
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
Tigger, that is why MM cant be taken too seriously with this documentary. He is saying how capitalism is evil, yet he is using the very thing he is protesting, what a hypocrite.
sablebrush5 said, about 1 month ago
“THIS is the fatal flaw in Corporations. They exist purely to earn a PROFIT. They do not care who they hurt, who they oppress, how much their workers suffer…”
Does this make sense to anyone? That’s right, corporations go into business to hurt people and make them suffer. Wow. Who knew? C’mon, “scottfreitas” grow up, look around and get your nose out of those leftist comic books you’re reading.
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
Sable, that first part does make sense. A corporation will not last without making a profit. So of course they exist purely to make a profit.
That last part….not so much.
GJ_Jehosaphat
said,
about 1 month ago
True - there are Corporations that make profit (paid out to shareholders), There are Corporations that are Non-Profit - $$ is put back into the business for expansion & upgrades.
Then there are Corporations whose specialty is to buy up other Companies - like Cerebus buying Chrysler from Diamler. What were they thinking…. Profits!!!!
“How Chrysler Put The Bite On Cerberus”
Published 5-1-09
“For a firm notorious for its secrecy, overseeing the collapse of the first American car company to go bankrupt since Studebaker in 1933 is a very public black eye.”
http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/01/bankruptcy-cerberus-chrysler-business-autos-cerberus.html
BTW - I own a Daimler/Chrysler (Sprinter) Van with a Mercedes Diesel Engine (33 mpg on the highway). Perhaps they should have left Chrysler with the Germans…excellent milage for a vehicle this size. This is the closest I’ll ever come to owning a Mercedes - reminds me of an old Janis Joplin tune;-))
sablebrush5 said, about 1 month ago
Since when did the word “profit” become pejorative? This country was built on profits. Profits are the seedcorn that grows businesses, jobs, wealth, prosperity and the good life.
And when did corporations become these greedy, uncaring monsters in the eyes of so many people? Corporations are filled with people no different than you or me. Good people, caring people, constructive, wealth-producing people who are every bit as decent as anyone on this thread.
It amazes me that people grow up in the United States, the heart of free-market capitalism and don’t seem to understand capitalism at all. How does that happen?
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
Sable, its easy. People who are pro socialist (in its purist form) and communist (again, purist form) tell them whats going on in the US according to them, and the socialists, and communists have kids. I was at a wal-mart, in a nearby town, which is strange, you’d think a town with a JuCo would have a wal-mart, and I saw a socialist, he had bumper stickers with USSSA, the U.S. flag upside down, and so on so forth. I have never been so mad at someone for doing something like that, I really wanted to set him straight.
Jor-El said, about 1 month ago
Curious how this debate seems to divide those who commonly agree on other topics.
“Capitalism: A Love Story” actually describes Teddy Roosevelt’s perceptions of modern capitalism.
Ignore the fact that the movie was produced by Michael Moore, and understand that Roosevelt condemned the very same corruption and excesses that exist today.
He did not condemn capitalism, but only the accumulation of property and capital by the “malefactors of great wealth” who threatened to undermine the
Constitutional “equality of circumstance and opportunity”.
It’s difficult to understand unless you can thoughtfully separate our economic model–whether it be mercantilism or capitalism–from our political structure and foundation.
They are not the same thing.
Roosevelt saw his hardened opposition to corporatism as a defense of the constitutional principles of equality and freedom.
A “Square Deal” as he called it.
scottfreitas
said,
about 1 month ago
Knee-jerk reactions anger me. I am as “right wing” as they come, but I despise corporations because THEY CANNOT WORK GIVEN THE REALITIES OF HUMAN NATURE.
Let all the small businesses, business partnerships, whatever exist all they want. Just not corporations.
Corporations get TOO BIG. They become EXACTLY like a government, a nation-state, all unto themselves. Yet unlike governments, they are not created even ostensibly to serve, help, or protect people. Thay exist solely to create PROFIT. And without exception, the bulk of their profits always goes to a tiny handful of people at the very top, while the huuuuuuuuuuge amount of workers who make the whole gd monstrosity function get almost ZILCH.
The only counter-balance to a corporation–the only check-and-balance which exists on the disgusting things—is an equal monstrosity called a “labor union.”
As a typical “rightie”, I really don’t like labor unions. They have done so much to both corrupt and poison both our government and our education that I typically fantasize about using RICO laws against them to destroy them forever.
Yet so long as the purely evil monsters known as corporations exist, I am 1000% in favor of siccing labor unions on them. Go get ‘em, boys! I’ll buy the coffe and doughnuts!
Again: corporations, having been granted the legal status of PERSONS in America, are free to use the sickly huge profits which they DO NOT share with the poor dumb bastards who do all the hard physical labor, to corrupt our government! Which they DO.
And here’s where I part with every knee-jerk right-winger who ever existed: since I realize both American political parties ARE influenced slash corrupted (in the Demoncrats case, hopelessly corrupted), I will forever remain an avowed enemyu of corporations. I hate them, despise them, and would cheerily dance on all of their graves if I could. There are heartless, soulless, ruthless, predatory animals which ceaselessly prey on each other (hostile takeovers), prey on workers (go talk to that EZ Mart clerk working for $.7.25 an hour while the upper management pukes live in mansions and ride in limos), prey on politicians, prey on consumers, prey on anyone and everyone they possibly can because in a corportaion, NO ONE is ever truly to blame for anything, its all about the bottom line baby, and even when corporations implodfe due to greed and stupidity all the upper management pukes STILL emerge from the wreckage unscathed, with golden parachutes, richer and fatter and happier than ever before, while all the workers and shareholders are left in poverty and misery and despair..
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago
Scottfreitas said: I am as “right wing” as they come, but I despise corporations.
As a conservative, it is somewhat validating to read your comments.
Sable, on the other hand, may be of the opinion that we are anti-capitalist.
I noted Thomas Jefferson as an example, but Theodore Roosevelt’s judgement presents a more contemporary assessment of the viewpoint we share.
Put simply, we are not anti-capitalist, or even opposed to making a profit (if it is re-invested in the company and its workers.)
Jefferson’s fear of industrial capitalism became Roosevelt’s challenge that a modern industrial nation could not be governed by a libertarian social compact (the Constitution.)
Roosevelt believed that accumulation of wealth by large-scale corporate capitalism undermined our social structure and political foundation.
The critics of modern capitalism are actually defenders of the Constitution.
Jor-El said, about 1 month ago
Saturday morning I got up early, dressed quietly, made my lunch, grabbed the dog and fishing equipment, slipped quietly into the garage to hook the boat up to the truck, and proceeded to back out into a torrential downpour.
The wind was blowing 50 mph. I pulled back into the garage, turned on the radio, and discovered that the weather would be bad throughout the day.
I went back into the house and slipped into bed, where my wife was turned away from me. I whispered to her, “The weather out there is terrible.”
My loving wife of 20 years replied, “Can you believe my
stupid husband is out fishing in that mess?”
I still don’t know if she was joking, but I’ve decided to stop fishing.
———————————————-
When we moved cross-country, my wife and I decided to drive both of our cars. Nathan, our eight-year-old, worriedly asked, “How will we keep from getting separated?”
“We’ll drive slowly so that one car can follow the other,” I reassured him.
“Yeah, but what if we DO get separated?” he persisted.
“Well, then I guess we’ll never see each other again,” I quipped.
“Okay,” he said. “I’m riding with Mom.”
————————————————
When I was younger, I believed the prayer was “Lead a snot into temptation.” I thought I was praying for my little sister to get into trouble.
GJ_Jehosaphat
said,
about 1 month ago
THANK U JOR-EL
SUNDAY FUNNIES!
LOL ALL DAY LONG!
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
scott, would you rather every one in the corporation get paid evenly?
Shaliach said, about 1 month ago
Hi, mroberts, long time…no speak. It seems after 3 requests that Uclick has not closed this account. Things seemed to have calmed down since I last posted. I’ve enjoyed the more civil tone, but it sadly doesn’t last. You and Striper really got into it the other day.
The commenters who can present their opinions without insult and attack are far more credible–even when wrong–than those who get in the mud and muck.
You have to remember to always stay above that.
Comments dipped in honey are so much more palatable than those salted in pepper.
Now, regarding the topic at hand. Let me explain it this way:
You are a corporate executive that led your company to near-insolvency or collapse.
Taxpayers had to bail you out.
A year later, you still haven’t paid back the taxpayers, but you’re receiving (and paying out) billions of dollars in bonuses to executives who co-captained the near-collapse of the American economy.
Capitalism that invests those profits back into the growth of the company, and the welfare of the workers, is the preferred economic model.
Grow the business, hire more workers and compensate them fairly.
Imagine if households could prosper with one breadwinner who was secure with a compensation package that included a fair salary, healthcare and retirement; and you didn’t need welfare, or social security or medicare because the company did right by you.
Today, corporate bosses and shareholders enjoy the fruits of success while employees have become nothing more than expendable cogs that are worn out and tossed aside.
Like someone else posted earlier, we’re simply asking for a square deal.
Well, that’s enough from me. I hope it made things clearer.
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago
Welcome back Shaliach.
That made things clearer, and everyone deserves a fair deal.
You are right. I do have to remember to stay above it. I think I have done a good job of that, outside of a few instances.
However, striper is a hypocrite. He complains over racism, and says that injustice is part of the other party. He claimed to be christian, but doesnt realize that he’s doing more harm than good to the church. I did realize, that talking to him is like talking to a brick wall.
Yeah, i’m going to try and stay above that, and avoid getting into it with striper again.
sablebrush5 said, about 1 month ago
Corporations. They’re evil. They exploit their employees. They’re greedy. They make enormous profits off the sweat of their poor workers who are tossed aside into the gutter at the end of their worn out, underpaid, overworked lives…
C’mon, this is ridiculous nonsense. That an adult citizen of this country believes such horsepucky speaks volumes about the educational quality of our crummy schools.
GJ_Jehosaphat
said,
about 1 month ago
When I think of Corporations - I think Multi-National. Exploitation occurs elsewhere than the USA…. China, India, Mexico, etc where Safety (OSHA) is Lax & Pollution is Rampant.
striper77 said, about 1 month ago
As expected from Michael Moore he is from Canada.