State of the Union by Carl Moore

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mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

If someones beliefs shouldnt be turned into a joke.
rjvjelly said, about 1 month ago

they should be if they believe that the pope is god’s mouthpiece.
toasteroven said, about 1 month ago

Is that supposed to be the pope? I had no idea he wore that much eyeshadow.
Buzzy-One said, about 1 month ago

I’ve heard it sait that little minds conceive little ideas and so far Carl Moore proves just this.
sablebrush5 said, about 1 month ago

Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize?! Are you kidding me?!

To award such a prestigious prize to someone who clearly doesn’t deserve it because he hasn’t earned it, diminishes not only the recipient of the prize, but it demeans the givers of the prize and it demeans the prize itself.

This Nobel thing is not going to be a plus for Obama, it’s going to be a minus. It will be the source of endless jokes and satire as well it should.

He should have refused it because he knows he doesn’t deserve it.
sablebrush5 said, about 1 month ago

That the right to life is fast becoming the dinosaur position among the cultural elite is a sad commentary on our barbaric times.
Jim said, about 1 month ago

So … exactly , when does a human’s rights begin ?
gbrucewilson said, about 1 month ago

According to some on the left, life begins when the mother decides it begins. This could be several days after birth.

The group that wants rationing of healthcare (to save money) has developed a scale that places “value” on a person depending on age and physical limitations. “Value” is determined by calculating what each group can contribute to society. In this scale, the newly born and the old are worth very little. The scale is a Bell Curve, where the peak value is reached in late-30s. The amount of healthcare allowed for a person would determined by looking at where they fell on the curve. For example, Downs babies would get no care. Sounds a lot like Hitler’s ideas.
fogey said, about 1 month ago

Life begins at conception, but America’s responsibility for maintaining it in a healthy condition ends at birth.
rricchhterr said, about 1 month ago

when life is not fair,
what difference does it make when it begans?

it’s like putting brand new windshield wipers
on a car with a busted out windshield
cabrobst said, about 1 month ago

gbrucewilson, you are full of baloney. The fact is it’s liberals who want more people to get health care denied to them by insurance companies who want to hold onto as much of your money as possible. Every other developed country does this except US.

Oh and Protestants have been calling the pope a dinosaur and worse for like 500 years.
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago

For today’s comic abortion should be greatly reduced. Rape and incest life of the mother and no I don’t like it but that is when it comes to their choice.

Look where the values of the last 50 years have brought us. A short list is lower civility, lower education, lower values, and lower personal and public wealth along with lower personal and public responsibility. We serve our selves not others and we demand universal health care. Well what have we done to earn that healthcare?

This brings two points first. Death penalty is wrong abortion is good. The child did not kill anyone, the murder did but the murder’s life is sacred and the child’s life is not a life at all.

Second really dose anyone want to build up this much dept. Well David calls taking terrorists kidnappings I call this slavery of our children and maybe the aborted children are the lucky ones. It is an easier argument to make.
Lewreader said, about 1 month ago

It pleases me to know that our tax dollar can pay over one million to sustain life in a six month premature crack baby who will probably be taken care of by state state of the rest of it’s short life. Too bad we can’t afford a condom.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago

Wow, Bruce, what a load of misinformation. Please check your facts—and cite your sources—before spewing here again.

What is good about today’s strip is not simply that the Pope is a dinosaur but that a man who has never had sex is trying to control the sex lives of all women. Thank you, Carl Moore, for showing what a ridiculous notion this is!

I agree, Lew. We can afford condoms for all if the regressives stop trying to keep all young Americans ignorant of contraception.
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago

David you don’t have to have sex to have an opinion on children. Please think before you spew your hatred.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago

God knows that is true, Jack, and everyone has a right to an opinion, but we do not restrict others’ freedom based on one man’s opinion. In addition, to listen to that old former Nazi’s opinion in this matter is particularly ridiculous, which is what today’s strip shows.

As for my remarks, you would be hard-pressed to find any hatred in them.
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago

We all embrace the Declaration that we are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Right to Life, as a principle, has been adjudicated to reference the legal state of an unborn fetus as when an expectant mother is the victim of a homicide or manslaughter–in which case, the perpetrator is charged with two deaths.

However, we need to understand the intent of our Founders.

Thomas Jefferson said:

“Of distinction by birth, under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the world with a right to his own person…”

Our natural rights, then, according to Jefferson, are bestowed upon us at birth.

With regard to the comment that life is not fair, I will only say that it is not the government’s responsibility that you get up in the morning, go to school, find a job (or two), relocate (if necessary), and take care of yourself and/or your family’s needs.

It is a class-warfare mentality to think that another person’s success somehow infringes on your pursuit of happiness.

You have the right to work hard and be responsible–but not to be the ward of a cradle-to-grave nanny state.

Our born rights are derived naturally, and not from the hand of government.

Whatever benefits the government gives, it takes away in liberty and freedom for it then assumes the power to dictate the rules that govern your life.

We are left, then, with nothing more than a soft tyranny.
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago

David you are showing your bigotry. That old Nazi was 14 when the German army took him away to fight. He then deserted at the age of 16. If caught he would have been shot on sight. I am not Catholic but I know enough to respect the man for what he went through.

Your comments show you are the one who is trying to restrict others freedoms based on your opinion.
butch1942 said, about 1 month ago

DavidDow, I am sure your parents had sex. I think we all would have been better off had they opted for a movie the night they conceived you.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, about 1 month ago

jack75287 - Re: “Your comments show you are the one who is trying to restrict others freedoms based on your opinion.”

Look in a mirror & U’ll see who is trying to restrict another’s opinion. Your Pattern:

When lacking facts - Attack
(Like Bush/Cheney’s war in Iraq)

I was rather pleased the other day when you tried that tactic on one of my comments - Take another Chill Pill Jack & go google some facts… for instance:

“Catholic Doctrine and Reproductive Health
WHY THE CHURCH CAN’T CHANGE”
Published Winter 2000

“The anti-abortion movement in the United States was created in response to the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on Roe v. Wade in 1973, which legalized abortion. However, it really owes its origin to a group of men in Rome 103 years earlier. This was 1870, the year of Vatican Council I, a conclave of great importance in recent church history. Why is this so?

Hans Küng, the renowned Swiss Catholic theologian, best summed up the problem accounting for its creation when he said, “It is not possible to solve the problem of contraception until we solve the problem of infallibility.”[1] In his book, How the Pope Became Infallible, Catholic historian Bernhard Hasler describes in great detail what Küng meant: For more than a millennium, the Vatican had possessed temporal power that ensured its survival. With the loss of the Papal States in 1870, it appeared all but certain that a strong papacy would simply disappear. The Vatican urgently needed a new source of power.

A group of conservative and influential leaders, including Pope Pius IX, came up with a brilliant idea for a new source: an infallible pope. What is infallibility? According to Catholic dogma, when the pope formulates a doctrine, he is simply transmitting this dogma on God’s behalf. Therefore, the teaching cannot possibly be in error.”

http://religionandmorality.net/morality/mumford.html
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

I agree with jack, abortion should be legal only if the woman was raped, or there was incest.

Better contraception methods need to be taught. Yes, the safest way to prevent pregnancy is avoiding sex, but thats unreasonable. When I was in H.S. a sex-ed speaker was brought in to tell us what can go wrong with sex. We were told, and I’m serious about this, the only way to get an STD, is to have sex. His thinking lead him to believe that, because of the word sex being in there. Needless to say, alot of people, yours truly included, thought that was a load of BS, and didnt really listen after that.
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago

GJ_Jehosaphat

If I attacked you the other day I am sorry. I cannot speak for your facts but I know that the infallibility of the Pope (something I do not agree with) that has been around a lot longer then 1870s.
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago

Re: We can afford condoms for all.

Why should I have to pay for somebody’s condoms? The corner store sells a box of condoms for under $4.00.

Exactly when did our society assume the responsibility of an individual’s personal behavior?

Sex is the leading cause of pregnancy, and irresponsible sex is a primary cause of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

Let’s be real.

I am not your moral conscience, and the government isn’t your daddy.

If you can’t afford the $4.00 then keep your zipper up.

Make responsible choices, and don’t expect me to be liable for your mistakes–as in paying for your abortion.
mustbeunique2 said, about 1 month ago

Pro Life isnt bygone.
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago

sable asked: “Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize?!”

I was hoping that the peace prize would have been awarded to one of several Chinese dissidents–to show the world’s solidarity with their resistance, and to expose the ugly and horrible human rights violations inflicted by the Chinese government.

Such a decision would have been a noble gesture in support of peace and humanity.

See article:

Chinese Dissidents Let Down by Obama Nobel
sablebrush5 said, about 1 month ago

Jim asks,

“So … exactly , when does a human’s rights begin ?”

The right to life begins when life begins - at conception.

Instead of aborting, is it really such a terrible burden for a woman to bring an unwanted child to term, give birth, and put the child up for adoption?

It’s an inconvenience, yes. It’s painful psychologically and economically, yes. But is a human life not worth these burdens and pains, which, after all, are temporary? Doesn’t the pregnant woman owe that baby something?… like a chance to live? Is that asking so terribly much?
jack75287 said, about 1 month ago

sablebrush5

Great post. I don’t know why people are so eager for abortion rights. I try to ask them what if there parents had aborted them they say what do you mean.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago

Well, Contrarian, that logic that says if you can’t afford condoms, then you don’t get to bleeep leads to LOTS of babies by those who can least afford them. Guess what? No ONE (excepting the Pope) stops bleeeping. Since condoms are so inexpensive, it would cost society very little to educate EVERYONE on sexual responsibility AND to offer condoms to all.

Mrob., your position makes no sense: If you want to force women to have babies that they did not want, then you choose the rights of the embryo over the rights of the full-grown woman. Then, if you permit women who were raped to have control over their bodies, you state that the embryo of a rape has no right to life while the embryo of a mistake does.
sherpafree said, about 1 month ago

Oh hell Carl, I like this one.
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago

Re: Since condoms are so inexpensive…

Exactly my point. People can buy their own protection.

They should spend their money responsibly–not mine.

If it comes down to choosing between a drive-thru burger or sex…
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

David, if a woman chose to have sex, she shouldnt be able to abort. If she was raped, she should have that option, but in those cases only.
Yukoneric said, about 1 month ago

The Bible says life begins at 18 days after conception. But the tax payers get nailed for 18 years for some the illegitimates.
Colleen Sheehy said, about 1 month ago

Did anyone else notice that some of the most intense opinions in this debate are coming from people who do not have the biological equipment to carry a baby to term?

Oh yeah, rape and abortion are BOTH still crimes…
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago

Thank you, Contrarian. You make my point. We have the money, and condoms are cheaper than babies are.

Mrob., please read what I wrote & think through your statement. We will take this one step at a time: What is the constitutional reason to stop women from having abortions?

Colleen, rape is one of the worst of crimes. Abortion is not a crime.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago

Unfettered gun laws make for another happy home: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091010/apon_reus/usfianceeshot

Remember: The surest way to be hurt or killed by a gun? Have one in the house.
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago

David

Your link doesn’t work.

Do you know how to format it like this?

Man Shoots Fiance
Jim said, about 1 month ago

What other states , than mine , have this law ?
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

David, what do guns have to do with this? Guns protect people. Granted, they can be used for crime, but they are also used to prevent crime. Please, get another link, I cant use that one.

Onto current matters. It is ethical, in my opinion. If a woman gets pregnant, why should the future child lose out on a life? I’m not forcing them to do anything.
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago

mroberts88

David’s link can be seen in my previous post. Simply click on it.

Man Shoots Fiance
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

Thanks contrarian, I read that, sad story.

DeeBerg, thanks for what?
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago

Thanks, Contrarian, and my apologies, all, for my computer ineptness. Contrarian has linked the same story.

Mrob., as we see from this story, guns kill people. The police protect people, and the police, in general, would prefer to see fewer guns used by citizens.

Now, back to abortion, Mrob. Please answer my question: What is the CONSTITUTIONAL reason to stop women from having abortions?
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

Ok, abortion first, because its more alphabetical. There is no reason, constitionally. However, why should a child die, because a woman couldnt keep her legs closed. I can understand rape, but not if she had a choice.

Onto guns. David, I could have told you guns kill. That is their purpose, same with arrows. Idiots who cant use them safely, and felons, shouldnt own a firearm, of ANY kind. However, there are cases, in which people have used firearms to safely deter criminals. I can see now, that we are never going to agree on this subject.
rricchhterr said, about 1 month ago

if sex is to be practiced only to have a child, how many kids would you have today?
rricchhterr said, about 1 month ago

if abortion is not SAFE and legal,
it will still be practiced.

if you don’t like abortion,
don’t have one.

there are enough unwanted people on this planet,
not to mention the population explosion…
gbrucewilson said, about 1 month ago

DavidDow,

There are too many references to site on age based rationing of healthcare. I suggest you Google “age based rationing of healthcare” if you are truly interesting in learning the facts. Another phrase that is used is “allocating” healthcare by age. Most of the studies talk about treating old people, but some also talks about the very young. I saw the story on the “curve” on the news, but don’t remember the authors. Sorry, I should have written it down for future reference.
DavidDow said, about 1 month ago

Jim, I do not know what other states have that law. I think that a great many by now. It is a great idea, a great service.

Thank you, Mrob., for your admission. Thus, under the Constitution, abortion is legal, and those who want to remove women’s rights over their own bodies must amend the Constitution.

I agree with you, Mrob., that abortion should not be taken lightly but neither should having a child. All the women I know who have had abortions have taken the situation very seriously, with much agonizing & pondering. I wish that all people would do that before becoming pregnant. Not only do we need universal health-care, but we also need universal sex education & parenting education so everyone knows how to avoid becoming pregnant & how serious having a child is.

As for guns, we could certainly find cases where they have deterred criminals. They do more harm than good, however. The news is filled with cases like this one in Florida. Guns have killed thousands of family members who were quarreling. Better gun control leads to fewer deaths. Of course, we could be Darwinian about it and see that those with guns more often kill those with guns. Unfortunately, they leave the rest of society to clean up their messes. I suspect, Mrob., as you continue your studies in criminal justice, you will find the enormous stockpiles of guns in the hands of private citizens more of a hindrance than a help to criminal justice.

Bruce, when you find some facts & sources to back up your claims, then please let us know. In the meantime, your claims are misinformation, which isn’t surprising, considering the huge amount of misinformation about the House’s & Senate’s health-care reform plans. Look at the regressives this summer & even into the fall who insisted that “illegals” would be covered: that bigoted Congressmoron who even shouted at President Obama about it; some audience members at Representative Frank’s open meeting, who insisted the same even after Frank READ THEM THE PART OF THE BILL FORBIDDING SUCH COVERAGE.

The regressive Republican establishment, holding hands with the insurance industry, is determined to drag down presidency of the first African-American elected to that office, and constant spewing of misinformation is merely one step in the regressives wholly negative process. Their last presidency & their time running the country was SUCH a disaster that they desperately hate Obama, perhaps more than they hated Bill Clinton, and they will use any means to kill his presidency. (This is another reason to worry about how many Americans have guns, Mrob. Bruce’s misinformation is just one step.)
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

David, I agree with you on universal sex education. Teens are going to have sex, maybe not all, but a majority, they need to be taught not only abstinence, but contraception methods as well. The thing is, and no one has answered this question, why should a life be taken if the woman voluntarily had sex, and there is minimal danger the the childs or womans life?

Gun Control- Why not enforce the laws, instead of banning guns. If we were to ban guns, the only people who wouldnt get them are the law abiding.

“Of course, we could be Darwinian about it and see that those with guns more often kill those with guns.”

If I have an assault rifle, which would you prefer, a knife, phone, or gun? This is a hypothetical in which your life is on the line

David, honestly, alot of Americans having guns doesnt scare me. Its the gang bangers, felons, and idiots that do worry me.
Contrarian said, about 1 month ago

David and mroberts88

Here’s an interesting link at the New England Journal of Medicine:

Most Gun Deaths Suicide
mroberts88 said, about 1 month ago

Contrarian, thanks for the link. People need to be made aware of a suicide hotline. Suicide is a permanent answer to a temporary problem. I agree, that people who are a suicide risk don’t need firearms.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, about 1 month ago

Interesting discussion ranging from birth control/abortion to gun control (phallic symbol).

How do you control thoughts, feelings, and/or urges when blasted by advertisers wanting to sell you stuff based on “sex appeal”?

With guns - how do you know what is in the Mind of the Purchaser? Thought Police?