State of the Union by Carl Moore

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  1. dsped

    dspedGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    That’s Tio Samuel to you, Carl.

  2. DavidDow

    DavidDow said, 2 months ago

    And in the 17th century, Carl. The Spanish-speaking folk were on this continent long before anyone named Moore.

    This is really one of Moore’s strips that endorses the progressive position. A Tio Samuel, still looking at each of us, demanding fealty, service, & national pride, would be a great thing for all Americans.

  3. Vijay Sadasivam

    Vijay Sadasivam said, 2 months ago

    There ought not to be anything wrong even if Uncle Sam was shown wearing a Stars & Stripes turban.

  4. GJ_Jehosaphat

    GJ_JehosaphatGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Found this while Googling this morning from the folks at WikiAnswer:
    Q: When did illegal immigration become a problem?
    A: It was actually a problem in 1607 when the British took over America from the Native Americans, commonly known as “Indians.” (Try “Trail of Tears”)

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Whendidillegalimmigrationbecomeaproblem

    (This is a carry-over from yesterday’s Illegal Aliens conversation).

  5. Ronshua

    RonshuaGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Looks like a friend of mine . I don’t think he has the neat hat .

    Tried deciphering this but I’m not a Constitution Attorney .

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

  6. Kees

    KeesGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Carl,
    Well Done!

  7. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    The Mexican people are some of the hardest working, family oriented, good Christens. But do you know why they have not won anything in the Olympics? Any one who can run jump or swim are here. Do you why there government is so corrupt?

  8. Lewreader

    LewreaderGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Only assimilate so far. Looks at the Irish. Three hundred and sixty three day of the year they deny their heritage then for one day they have to fight off every other minority who want to get in their parade.

  9. tpenna

    tpennaGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    So the point here is apparently not that illegal immigration is a problem. Carl Moore seems to be saying that America would be a better place if fewer Latinos immigrated here, period. When did such blatant xenophobia become acceptable for editorial cartoons?

    Or have I misunderstood Moore’s intent?

  10. DavidDow

    DavidDow said, 2 months ago

    Lew., in what way are “the Irish” denying “their heritage”? (By the way, most years have 365 days, NOT 364.) Assimilating is not necessary; contributing is necessary.

    Tpen., bigoted, xenophobic cartoons have been around from the start of cartooning.

  11. toasteroven

    toasteroven said, 2 months ago

    Never mind the Mexicans, what about the Maltese! Oh sure, you might think Malta is just a peaceful, densely populated island in the middle of the Mediterranean, but you would be wrong…

    Oh so very wrong.

  12. Nick V

    Nick V said, 2 months ago

    Is it just me, or does that version of Uncle Sam look a little like Che Guevara?

  13. Ian Valenzuela

    Ian ValenzuelaGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Usually Moore tends to go for more subtle, masked racism, like, “I don’t care if you’re green, purple, BLACK, red, BROWN, chartreuse, or white, yadda yadda yadda something Rush or Lout Dobbs said.” But I for one would like to express gratitude to Moore for openly stating his position as fear of people based solely on their appearance or skin color.

    Dealing with the Know-Nothing conservatives is a little exhausting, as both sides have to pretend we are really discussing their economic positions, when really we both know that there’s a large segment of Republicans that simply hate Mexicans, or Blacks, or Arabs, or Jews, or any/every box on some xenophobic list kept by Michael Savage. Kudos to you for honestly stating your position, rather than resorting to euphemisms about jobs or health care or even sovereignty. If only more Conservatives would be honest and forthright about their beliefs, we could have the debate the country really needs, and come to a fair conclusion based on people’s true motivations.

    Then again, if only anal polyps would just broadcast their appearance, it would be a lot easier to remove them, too. I have no illusions that this will happen, but a man can dream.

  14. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 2 months ago

    This high light’s the point that the Mexican Community is having a hard time joining the American way of life. Two years ago Mexican workers staged a protest flying only the Mexican flag in Dallas and rewrote the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish. It was pretty much saying we are going are own way if you like it or not.

    The Mexican community will hang out together a lot in this part of the country and they go back home and re-connect with family and culture. Then the next generation will do the same thing so it happens over and over.

    A lot of legal immigrants want good enforcement so they can bring family in and a lot of illegal immigration means lower quotas. So are they bigots too?

  15. DavidDow

    DavidDow said, 2 months ago

    It’s just you, Nick.

    Well said, Ian.

  16. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    “Republicans that simply hate Mexicans, or Blacks, or Arabs, or Jews, or any/every box on some xenophobic list kept by Michael Savage.”
    Most ignorant statement I have read today. People like you would rather keep the argument on us vs them then to look at the real problem.
    Illegal immigration is wrong! Why are they here? Their government is more corrupt then ours. Exporting the able body workers and those who strive for a better life does two things. 1. It makes a mockery out of those made sacrifice necessary to be here legally. 2. It drains the country of those who wish a better life and might work for a chance to change their county for the better.

  17. PossumPete

    PossumPete said, 2 months ago

    jack,

    You mean Texas is going to secede? Wooohooo! Great news!

  18. DavidDow

    DavidDow said, 2 months ago

    Harley, almost everyone writing here is a descendant of non-legal immigration. In addition, the Mexican government may be more corrupt than the current American administration, but it is hardly more corrupt than the previous American administration, and it is hardly more corrupt than certain state governments.

    Your two points are incorrect. Immigrants are what make America great. Welcome them. Do not malign them.

    Possum, although I would welcome getting rid of much of Texas, no state can secede. Fortunately, if Texas DID secedes, the rest of us could kick its bleeep quickly, and then treat the traitors as we should have treated the southern traitors 144 years ago: Put them on a ship and send them out to sea. Let Texas repopulate itself with civilized folk.

  19. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

    David, so you are basically saying that Texans are uncivilized, and are to be put to death, should we secede? That is a sick, and very barbaric way of putting things.

  20. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    “Your two points are incorrect. Immigrants are what make America great. Welcome them. Do not malign them.”

    I am not making evil about anyone. The ones calling others
    “xenophobic” are the evil ones. They want to blame everyone else except the ones causing the problem at hand.
    So you David support illegal activities? So which ACORN branch were you head of? The one where the guy was giving them tips on how to bring the under age girls through Mexico perhaps?
    now that was a malign comment!

  21. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 2 months ago

    David

    Do you realized you just made yourself the bigot in this argument.

  22. jmworacle

    jmworacle said, 2 months ago

    harleyquinn said, about 1 hour ago

    “Your two points are incorrect. Immigrants are what make America great. Welcome them. Do not malign them.”

    As a second generation “American” on my paternal side of my family tree, I have nothing against anyone who wants to come to this country and pursue their dreams, as long as they do it legimitlly. What most rational people are against is opening the doors and saying: “Come on in.”

  23. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

    jack75287 said, 15 minutes ago

    David

    Do you realized you just made yourself the bigot in this argument.

    I was hoping I wasnt the only one who saw that.

  24. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    jmworacle I believe you do know I was quoting the bigot DavidDow in order to make a point that he is wrong.

    I support your view 100% and it is one of the points I am making.

  25. boldyuma

    boldyuma said, 2 months ago

    “Cabron…we WANT YOU!”

  26. Ronshua

    RonshuaGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Just like a neon marquee at night .

  27. sablebrush5

    sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

    Why do so many here assume Moore is saying something racist? Seems to me all he is saying is that due to the huge influx of Latino, and specifically Mexican, immigrants, it is changing our culture. He’s not saying it’s good or bad, he’s just showing in a humorous way that it is changing… which it the truth.

    But since we’re on the subject of immigration, the concern I have is that such a large immigrant population coming into the country in a relatively short period of time sets up the possibility and even likelihood of a Mexican Quebec - a section of the country culturally and linguistically separate from the rest of the U.S. The fact that they are right next door to their native country also facilitates this lack of assimilation. I think the jury is still out on this question but as time passes and the enormous inrush of Latino immigrants continues it becomes more and more of a possibility… a possibility that we would come to regret.

    We would regret it, not because there’s anything wrong with Latinos, but because without the time and pressure to assimilate, a little Mexico could arise within our borders with all the problems that would entail - a people not totally committed to being American citizens, speaking a separate language, able to spend their entire lives without interacting with the non-Latino population, with a birthrate that will only exacerbate this trend, etc. Then we will genuinely have what DavidDow admires so much - the “patchwork quilt” America where people stay within their own Latino group, don’t assimilate and become Americans but identify first and foremost with Mexico. Is that really what we want?

  28. sablebrush5

    sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

    “We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an
    American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

    But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.”

    Theodore Roosevelt, 1907

  29. 3hourtour

    3hourtour said, 2 months ago

    …everyone knows that the party of big business is the G.O.P..If business would stop hiring illegals they would stop crossing the border for work.To be bitchin about the problem they caused is typical republican shell gamism…

  30. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 2 months ago

    sablebrush5

    Great statments. Here is something else from Teddy Roosevelt. : The link and the statement both are below:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608833/posts

    “In the first place we should insist that the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equity with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming an American and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919.

  31. jack75287

    jack75287 said, 2 months ago

    3hourtour

    I will have to disagree with you. Wal-Mart backed Clinton. General Electric is backing Obama. Big business goes both ways.

  32. GJ_Jehosaphat

    GJ_JehosaphatGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    jack75287 Re: “The Mexican community will hang out together a lot in this part of the country and they go back home and re-connect with family and culture. Then the next generation will do the same thing so it happens over and over.”

    Anywhere else - it would be seen as commendable - A Real Family Value. Seems we (US) could learn something of value from the folks down South.

    I used to live in New Mexico (Albuquerque) and loved the culture, colors, food of my fellow Hispanic Students at TV-I. Learned how to eat the Really Hot Peppers - enough to win over my brother in a Chile Pepper Eating Contest. The smell of Hatch Chiles roasting in the breeze - yummmm.

    You should visit there - learn something of the folks who settled there long before the Anglos came around. The oldest church in America is in Santa Fe - if I remember correctly….

    The Pueblos are also quite interesting to visit - see/learn how folks deal with harsh desert conditions without modern conviences. Plus there’s fry bread & Ceremonial Dancing at the Pow Wows were folks in the bleachers can join in (when invited by the host announcer).

    Turn off the TV - get out & enjoy the Cultural Variety that contributes to the enjoyment of living in the USA.

    BTW - wasn’t Christopher Columbus “sponsored” by Queen Isabella - Queen of Spain. That would make Spanish the first European Language brought to the “New World”. Signs in store windows should of been “English Spoken Here” (instead of “Si Habla Español).

  33. Dypak

    DypakGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    Vijay Sadasivam said, about 17 hours ago
    There ought not to be anything wrong even if Uncle Sam was shown wearing a Stars & Stripes turban.
    —————————-
    Vijay, you’re right. It’s about time Uncle Sam got a face lift. He is supposed to represent everyone in the United States, not just white males. I’m with you!

  34. lechnerms

    lechnerms said, 2 months ago

    Be happy that you have to “PRESS” 1 for English!
    Be happy that your children are being taught that
    there are TWO THANKSGIVINGS !
    Be happy that most emergency rooms have a 3,4,5 hour
    wait because of so many “FREE” patients.
    Be happy that hospital administrators’ faces light-up
    with glee when they find out you have insurance and they can “COST SHARE” by charging your company $10 for an aspirin or$1000 for a visit to the E.R. to make-up for the “FREE” care.
    CARL you got it right, thanks
    colsgramp

  35. DavidDow

    DavidDow said, 2 months ago

    As most of us are descendants of immigrants who were not “legal”, then all support such non-legal immigration. You write about “illegal activities” w/out specifying any broken laws.

    Give up the A.C.O.R.N. stuff, by the way. Unlike Bush-Dick, when President Obama discovers that his administration is connected to something that is violating the law, even in such a minor way, he cuts ties with it. Bush-Dick, on the other hand, would give the A.C.O.R.N. volunteers promotions & honors.

    Mrob., I didn’t say that Texans are uncivilized. If Texas seceded, however then its secessionist citizens would have enacted treason upon the U.S. How would you punish them? Finally, how am I a bigot for welcoming immigrants to America?

    Sable, Hispanic cultures are not separate from the rest of the United States. We have been Hispanic for 500 years. This notion of “assimilation” is a will-o’-the-wisp. Everyone who comes here joins that wonderful mixture that is the United States. Theodore Roosevelt was a great president. He wasn’t, however, racially or ethnically enlightened. Few are now; even fewer were then. Woodrow Wilson, Winston Churchill: terrible bigots.

    GJ, I lived in Santa Fe many years ago: a fascinating mix of cultures.

    Thanks, Lech, for making the case for major health-care reform.

  36. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

    Let Texas repopulate itself with civilized folk.

    That is from your post. You said (typed) that. Instead of admitting it, you are trying, and failing, to hide your tracks.
    I never said you were for that reason. However, you saying that I am uncivilized, as well as every other Texan, is bigoted, and alot of BS.
    So, if Texas secedes, even if I dont agree with it, I have commited treason?

  37. pschearer

    pschearerGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    If conservatism is to have a future, it must be as a defense of individual rights. That includes the rights of non-citizens. The Right needs to rid itself of the xenophobic, anti-immigration fringe.

  38. harleyquinn

    harleyquinnGenius_badge said, 2 months ago

    David Dow wrote
    “As most of us are descendants of immigrants who were not “legal”, then all support such non-legal immigration. You write about “illegal activities” w/out specifying any broken laws.”
    uuu I am not as smart as you claim to be but duh um “illegal” means that it is against the law. calling them “non- legal” does not make that any more legal then it does by calling a terrorist who blows things up and man made bad thing. He is still a terrorist.
    I guess we just have to start calling dow non-smart
    And I Guess ACORN wanted to bring over non-legal underage girls into the USA?

  39. GBravo

    GBravo said, 2 months ago

    VIVA!!!

    Can we all get along????

    I love you all !!!