State of the Union by Carl Moore

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wndrwrthg said, 2 months ago

And the repuglicans plan will strip the poor and reward the corporations. Oh wait, that’s right. THEY have no plan.
rricchhterr said, 2 months ago

if we continue heading in the dire ection we happen to be headed, well, you do the math…
toasteroven said, 2 months ago

Well, I’m not sure what a dire ection is, richter, so I’m a bit stumped. Is it like the divisor? Are we doing long division here?

Also, that kid looks far to excited about nude Obama.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

The Emperor has no clothes… sums it up rather nicely.
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

^ don’t have to wait even that long.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

If you’re a fan of Medicare and think it’s a well-run program and an example of how government can deliver healthcare efficiently, competently and at realistic cost, read this piece and weep:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204884404574362543878647858.html
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

^Yes, “The Wall Street Journal”, good source indeed !
PS ANandy, bassakwards, as usual?
fogey said, 2 months ago

Extreme Coservatives say, “There’s nothing wrong with the present health care system, so don’t do anything!” - Extreme Liberals say, “The present health care system is a total failure so let’s throw out all lessons learned and start over!” As a retired aerospace engineer with excellent health care coverage, I would recommend finding out what needs to be done to fix existing systems (Medicare and private plans), then fix them! That approach worked for the space telescope.
moosegirl said, 2 months ago

Humpty Dumpty:
The source is not the WSJ but GRACE-MARIE TURNER AND JOSEPH R. ANTOS who co-wrote the column. Both have other jobs and other sources. By the way the WSJ is one of the few newspapers that tries to get it right. IMHO it has much more credibility than the NY Times.
Also, the general tone of the column is that the Government run, “well-managed” (Snort, Snicker, Chuckle, Guffaw) Medicare program is going bust along with Social Security. As a retiree, I’m disgusted and angry with the perpetrators of these corrupt Ponzi schemes stealing our money for their pork projects and cronies. I had nothing to say about social security or medicare. Social Security was shoved down our throats before I was born. Medicare was passed because the people voted into Congress double-crossed us. Thanks for nuthin’ LBJ!!
I haven’t had any respect for any Democrat Presidential candidate since, and I have virtual contempt for most Dems in Congress. I respected JFK for risking his life in our country’s service and saving his crew but wasn’t eligible to vote for him.
I voted for the first time in 1964. Had to be 21 then AND REGISTERED BEFORE the election!! No drive-by voting then. We had to show ID when registering. Time to bring that back.
gbrucewilson said, 2 months ago

Medicare is “well run”? I can’t stop laughing at that. I also can’t count all the things that are wrong with it (too many). First, it is broke. Second, it keeps cutting pay to doctors so that many will not take Medicare patients now (I was dropped by one when I turned 65). The day to day part of Medicare works OK, but is not handled by the government. They have hired an evil “for profit” company to actually run it. So, the part government controls stinks. The part controlled by “the private sector” works reasonably well.

BHO talks about cutting waste and fraud. If it is so easy, why not do it NOW instead of tying it to a government take over.
LibrarianInTraining said, 2 months ago

Fogey, how true. There are some parts of the system that are working. Unfortunately, they’re the parts the government is phasing out, such as Medicaid Waiver and the FSL program.

And there are some private insurance companies that are fair in their pricing and their payments (most of them small companies.)

It’s the larger corporations, and the Straight Medicaid system that need toning down.

Aerospace engineer? How fascinating! You sounds very intelligent. I enjoy a good sound well-reasoned individual.

Wish we could have coffee or something.

Have a nice day!
WaitingMan said, 2 months ago

The subtext of today’s strip is obvious.
Carl Moore has the hots for President Obama.
Kees said, 2 months ago

We abandoned the government regulated system a couple of years ago. no more national health insurances. More competitions, lower pricing medicines, lower prices hospitals, because one could choose!!!! It became all a big joke! Everybody privately insured, Guess what monthly payments will be up next year by another 10% a month. picking the hospital of your liking? no way man due to budget costs the ambulances will automatically take you to the nearest.
negotiations about the medication and its equally good but cheaper ‘brother’ (from the competition off course) forget it. it is still the pharmacist that rules!
So all in all, higher costs, less quality, longer waiting listst.

Their must be a way that could make everybody happy (that’s apart from the shareholders of the hospitals and pharmaceutical industry of course)
dwyant said, 2 months ago

Competition is the answer! Gov’t has so tied up our current system that it’s already disfunctional. Less regulation, not more, will solve the problem – the old fashioned way!
LibrarianInTraining said, 2 months ago

By the way:

A most memorable Patriot Day to you.

9/11/01. Never forget!
kbielefe said, 2 months ago

If you really think covering everyone is worth it, why pretend it will increase quality and lower costs for the rest of us? I get really nervous when people avoid selling something on its true merits.

It makes it feel like, “I love my private insurance, but I’m not going to to help you get some for yourself. You get a massive bureaucracy we cooked up to score political points while lying about the quality and cost.”
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

The Emperor/President has no clothes. The sad thing as disrespectful that this is it is also right.

Sorry warthog.

The republicans have tried to sent 35 health care bills this year alone. One of them is call H.R. 3400 and if you want a complete list you can go to healthcare.gop.gov. Have a nice day.

I am sorry I almost forgot. The Democrates. They refused to let any of these get a hearing. So who is the obstructionists.
Lewreader said, 2 months ago

Is this guy who is offering us more health care for less money the same Nigerian prince I send my money over the Internet?
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

Kees

We did no such thing. We have Medicare Medicade. What did we give up.
pschearer said, 2 months ago

There are three main flavors of state socialism in history: Communists nationalize economies; Fascists centrally manage economies while pretending to still have property rights; and welfare statists nationalize tax-payers. Obama has pulled off a socialist dream by trying to move toward all three at once. Change I can’t believe in.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

Pschearer

Very good clear post. Never heard it described better. Satipera or what ever he called himself once tried to call what Hitler did pure capitalism. Wish you were in on that one. What scares me is this claim that the U.S. needs an internal branch of the military. That is every bit as well trained and equipped as the current one. An internal Army always has one target the people. That is what scares me most.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

There’s nothing “patriot” about September 11th. We should recall it as a day when a group of fundamentalist fanatics performed a terrorist attack on our citizens. It was part of a complex of terrorism purveyed by other people & by our government, and many people had to die, because of it. The lesson of 9/11: Give up avarice & give up religious fanaticism of all sorts. make peace with all the people on the planet & help the least fortunate to gain all the basic necessities, including their individual freedom.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

fogey: Re: “As a retired aerospace engineer with excellent health care coverage, I would recommend finding out what needs to be done to fix existing systems (Medicare and private plans), then fix them! That approach worked for the space telescope.”

Good idea - I remember when the Hubble Space Telescope was launched and it was discovered that the mirrors were ground wrong. Seems like it took a while to figure out the fix & several space walks to make the repairs with the government provided the $$$’s. Today we enjoy views of galaxies far away!

Computer technology has come along way since the first space satellites were launched in the 50’s. It’s time to make use of some of this technology and apply it to Medical Insurance Billing and Reimbursement. That’s taking medical procedures & decisions out of the hands of greedy insurance companies (profit oriented) & having computer software designers make decisions!

Sounds Logical…OH Wait - I think there are movies about Robots taking control of the world - (Battlestar Galactica fan) - Oh MY that won’t work cause it would De-Human-Ize the Medical Insurance System & take control out of the hands of Patients & their Health Care Providers (more mythical than reality - Insurance Companies more than likely make those decisions - or require Hoops to Jump Thru like Prior Authorizations - creating Time Delays).

Sounds like Death Panels - OW Wait - I think there was a movie about people being too old & made into food wafers - (Soylent Green - for those Charlton Heston fans).

How about putting some $$ into creating a Universal Medical Software System available ”Free” to any Medical Care Provider (Doctors, Hospitals, Chiropractors, etc,). Software can “monitor” for fraud (patterns of abuse) as well as speed up reimbursement(s).

Forget the “Hysteria” created by all those who FEAR of losing what Excellent Insurance Coverage they’ve got. When it comes down to Health Care Coverage - you’ve got as much coverage as one of those Hospital Gowns (without the bottoms). It’s may appear to have U covered up front - butt the view from Behind the scenes is not so pretty.

Get out the Flow Charts & gather up Software Engineer Specialists. Instead of going to the Moon or Mars - let’s fix up Earth First (ok another line from a SF program - Babylon 5).

It’s the Next Generation (Star Trek fan) that will wonder why someone didn’t do something before it was too late & the system deteriorated past repair. Crashed & burned by the folks who advocated to do nothing …
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

As for health-care reform, Medicare has problems, but most of them are caused by its attempt to work within a system run by enormous, greedy, insurance companies. President Obama’s plan is a sure step in the direction of ensuring that all Americans have affordable health-care.

If anyone is against that, then please come up with your own plan. It’s certain that doing nothing will be worse than Obama’s plan.
Magnaut said, 2 months ago

healthcare can be fixed! let’s fix it! thank joe. the only truth spoken that night!
pschearer said, 2 months ago

I’m amazed at the people like DD above who fear “enormous, greedy, insurance companies” but are OK with an enormous, power-lusting government. Generally these same people also suffer from the delusion that it is the purpose of government to solve every kind of problem under the sun, which means they have no grasp of the idea of limited government.

Few people nowadays understand the fundamental nature of government–the legal monopoly on the use of force. The only proper use of government force is in defense of individual rights. Whenever government oversteps that bound, it inevitably becomes a dangerous violator of the rights it is supposed to defend.

Consider a key part of Obamacare: that healthy, young people who currently choose to spend their money on something other than health insurance are going to be forced, under penalty of law, to buy insurance they don’t want. I think it is a sad comment on America that the public hasn’t cried out in protest of this blatant violation of freedom.

Just as I can dream that BMW will sell me a new car for $200, I can also dream that insurance companies will charge me only what I feel like paying. Combine that kind of fantasy with over a century of anti-business hate propaganda from both the Left and religious Right, and you get people like DD above.

There is much more to say, but nobody is paying me for this.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

DavidDow

I want you to think about the first half of the statement were you said there is nothing patriotic about 9/11. Were the fire fighters and police unpatriotic when they went into the towers and everyone else left? Were the passengers on the plan who fought back unpatriotic when they faced those box-cutters? Were the service members at the Pentagon who ran in to save there friends still inside unpatriotic? It is called remembering them.

David I have addressed you a couple of times now, I feel I have done so respectfully. You have disagreed and that is fine. Still this last one shows just how negative you are, I am sorry but you will not influence anyone this way.

The second half has a better attitude. You want us all to give up avarice and greed fine but the U.S. has protected Europe for three generations with little in return. We have helped free millions of people and give more to charity then any other country ever. You live in the least avarice nation in the world. Honest I have been to Europe, Iraq, Honduras, Italy, Cutter and greed is everywhere. Ticked off is no way to go through life.
rricchhterr said, 2 months ago

@ toasteroven,

you seem to be doing well for yourself,
for whatever headed is worth,
keep doing what you are doing,
it’s good like that…

@ jack,

here today, gone today…
don’t worry, you are a good boy,
you have nothing to fear, right?
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

pschearer: Re: “Consider a key part of Obamacare: that healthy, young people who currently choose to spend their money on something other than health insurance…”

Well - if part of Obama’s Health Care Reform is “Allowed” then “Children” up to the age of 25 to be on their parents insurance helps them while their looking for Jobs with Health Insurance Benefits.

Seems that would be Another Reason To Support Health Care Reform(s) being talked about by President Obama. I read the other day that Young People are gearing up to join the Health Care Reform Debate.

And What Makes U Think That Healthy Young People Won’t Get The Flu OR One Of Those Flesh-Eating Diseases (like the one’s who became infected from swimming in warm lake water because they had a small scrape on their skin). Healthy Young People get sick too!
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

L.I.T, you too. Give people the option of the gvt. run healthcare, or private. For those who cant afford private healthcare, they will be on gvt. healthcare.
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

mooseygirl, tries to get it “right” is all in perspective, and a long winded piece about what you believe does what ?
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

rricchhterr

May I ask what brought that on.
jmworacle said, 2 months ago

That must be Keith Oberman with his kid….
jmworacle said, 2 months ago

If they propose plan for “reform” is so good why don’t the “Demoruplicans” a.) pass it and b.) include themselves in the plan. They hold majorities in both branches in the legislative branch of government and do not need “the help” of ‘the Republicrats’.
rricchhterr said, 2 months ago

@jack,

you brought up a fear for an internal branch of the military…

people are taken out legally all the time,
and yes, l live in the USofA

it’s like being innocent until proven guilty,
there is no such thing
it is all just a formality

you never clear your name,
sometimes, not even with your family…
kbaldwin said, 2 months ago

After reading all these posts here and on other sites, I’m convinced that those located on both sides of the aisle on this issue are all on CRACK!
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

rricchhterr

Ok if you don’t like my statement about the internal military fine.

The stuff about taken out legally all the time and I the innocent till proven guilty stuff but also Ok don’t know why you brought it up.

The stuff about never clearing your name I don’t even know what you are talking about. Sorry I ticket you off so much.
wholescot said, 2 months ago

I’m from Scotland. Believe me, you DON’T want the same kind of health care which is what you’ll get if Obama has his way.
rricchhterr said, 2 months ago

nothing totally personal, you have to go back a solid week and remember the comments posted by sat4,
before he deleted them…

and just how you got thrown in the mix….
Noreen Klose said, 2 months ago

Washington- - - ALL of it is corrupt. We need to throw the bums out! Wipe out everything down to the basic Constitution. Fire ALL judges. Start OVER.

The people’s rights are all that counts, political correctness is just a liberal hang-up. The present administration (Republicants and Democraps) are going to turn us into a third world country by destroying our economy with HUGE debts. The government-party doesn’t matter-is selling us a load of garbage with every press conference.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

pschearer,

“Few people nowadays understand the fundamental nature of government–the legal monopoly on the use of force. The only proper use of government force is in defense of individual rights. Whenever government oversteps that bound, it inevitably becomes a dangerous violator of the rights it is supposed to defend.

“Consider a key part of Obamacare: that healthy, young people who currently choose to spend their money on something other than health insurance are going to be forced, under penalty of law, to buy insurance they don’t want. I think it is a sad comment on America that the public hasn’t cried out in protest of this blatant violation of freedom.”

Bravo, well said.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

Re: Repeat: “Consider a key part of Obamacare: that healthy, young people who currently choose to spend their money on something other than health insurance are going to be forced, under penalty of law, to buy insurance they don’t want.

Well - too bad they didn’t consider this when making the “RULES” for Cars/Trucks/Cycles. Healthy, young people who have better reflexes, vision, hearing, etc & shouldn’t have to buy any kind vehicle Insurance let alone pay extra $$ till they’re 25 years old.

So why do healthy young people have to Pay Extra for their car insurance? Reckless behavior perhaps? Don’t trust them to drive defensively with common sense?

Why not just skip the insurance & take a chance one may not get caught? Ever been in an accident with an uninsured motorist?

Hummm - sablebrush5 with your: “Bravo, well said?”
It’s sorta like the “Helmet Law” - why make someone wear one (or buckle up a seat belt)… accidents happen….

Go check out a local Rehabilitation Ward (Hospital or Nursing Home) where they keep the Long-term patients trying to get their life back on track - with traction & metallic braces screwed into their bones AND Physical Therapy …etc.

Expensive? H#LL Yeah….Who Pays? We All Do with higher insurance rates!
sherpafree said, 2 months ago

Alright Carl, does he look Irish to you?
Ron said, 2 months ago

If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it is ‘free’.
Imajs said, 2 months ago

Brilliant! An honest comic about what you can “see”, the emporer has NO clothes (or facts).

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