State of the Union by Carl Moore
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HUMPHRIES
said,
2 months ago
Keep trying Mr Moore, perhaps one day you’ll draw something worthwhile.
Ronshua
said,
2 months ago
Basking in the powers that be .
No glass ceiling for Hillery , just mirage .
ejcapulet
said,
2 months ago
Poor Hillary - always a bridesmaid, never a bride (so to speak).
LibrarianInTraining said, 2 months ago
Gj, thanks. I was beginning to wonder about them.
Lewreader
said,
2 months ago
Are you saying that saving two journalist who illegally cross an armed border is more important than being Sec of State.Oh wait, she hasn’t given a tyrant a good photo op yet
DavidDow said, 2 months ago
This joke is lame. Bill Clinton’s successful return of the two journalists is old news. Hillary Clinton is secretary of state. Yes, she wanted to be president, but she has one of the most important jobs in the country, and she didn’t get it through lying & fawning & ignoring the cries of maimed men, women, & children, as did Condoleezza Rice. Furthermore, H. Clinton works for a president with a brain, a backbone, & sense of ethics. We haven’t had that combination in the White House since F.D.R.
GNWachs
said,
2 months ago
Hillary got her job the exact same way Bush, Gore, Teddy, FDR etc etc got theirs. They were pushed to the head of the line by successful family predecessors.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago
It is kind of sad if you think about it, Hillary wants to be the example of women’s empowerment, she married a sex addict who has slept around nobody knows how many times. Then she became dependent on him for her campaigns. That is a twist of ugly irony for you.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago
A “sex addict”, Jack? Does that come from personal experience? Have you met Bill Clinton at the meetings, or have you had sex with him yourself?
With presidents, Jack, the challenge is finding one who didn’t sleep around. Of all the twentieth-century presidents, there was only one who didn’t: Richard Nixon, and who would want to emulate him?
WebEditor said, 2 months ago
Jack …
When did Hilary ever say she ’wants to be the example of women’s empowerment’? I think all Hilary ever wanted was to be judged on her accomplishments just like any other member of our society. But, that doesn’t make her some kind of flag bearer for a social movement. That just makes her human.
Nevertheless, how does her home life not make her a symbol of ’women’s empowerment’? Sounds like you don’t want to judge a person on their merits, but rather on who he or she shares a bed with. And that’s sad.
The constant reference to Hilary’s womanhood and/or her marriage to Bill is provocative and has seriously misogynistic undertones. If we are truly a meritocracy, we would worry about deeds, not biology (and we certainly would not use some antiquated social norm of women as homemakers as a point of reference).
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago
Hillary wants to be president, but she is constantly coming up short.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago
WebEditor
Her campaign for pres.
Ok Dave what do you call it, I mean we are talking about in the Presidents private office. Plus I never new of one who had such a long list of women.
Here is a short list reprinted from:
http://www.alamo-girl.com/0262.htm
Clinton Misogyny - Sex
Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - “forced himself on her, biting, bruising her”
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned
Sorry this is only the first part to long to print here. So why so many women would risk the wrath of the President of the United States. Also your comment of my private experience low rent. There has been too many insults thrown around here ok.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago
Web
As for the rest of your comment, what are her accomplishments? Everything she has done sense Bill taken the white house has failed except for her senate races. Really what has she done? As for the misogynistic comment quit trying to change the subject by attacking someone no one on this page is buying it anymore.
Plus I never made a comment as to her womanhood I made a comment on her life.
Buzzy-One said, 2 months ago
Jackie, been reading the National Enquirer again ?
WebEditor said, 2 months ago
OK, Jack. Sure. Whatever you say.
I wish you would at least own your own words. You said that Hilary wants to be the example of women’s empowerment, and then in the same sentence, mentioned that she married a guy with a wandering eye. Well, what does one have to do with the other? AND THEN you said that she is dependent on Bill for her presidential campaign. Every frame of reference you have for Hilary Clinton is in relation to who she’s sleeping with. And you don’t see your inability to judge Hilary outside of her relationship to Bill as in any way belittling?
mmmmmmkkkkkaaayyyy ……
By the way, not that I’m a big fan, but Hilary was a lawyer, she was a senator and she is Secretary of State; she has plenty of accomplishments. You don’t think she did a very good job in one or all of those capacities? Fine. But what does her individual job performance have to do with the fact that her husband stepped out on her …
… unless you want to argue that a woman is only accomplished if she keeps a happy home?
moosegirl said, 2 months ago
DavidDow: You said. “With presidents, Jack, the challenge is finding one who didn’t sleep around. Of all the twentieth-century presidents, there was only one who didn’t: Richard Nixon, and who would want to emulate him?”
Strange that you should blanket all except Nixon with that 3rd sentence. I was not aware that Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, Coolidge, Hoover, or Eisenhower “slept around”.
Teddy Roosevelt was a devoted family man who would lead his brood on “beeline Hikes” which drove the Secret Service nuts.
I’m aware of the vicious rumors about Eisenhower’s driver during the war. She, herself, denied any affair with Ike, and I don’t recall Ike ever mentioning it or discussing it with anyone.
Surprising how people will believe anything bad about good people without proof, and ignore evidence to the contrary. I learned long ago that there are good people who don’t sleep around. Also, I learned that those who say “Everyone does it”, or “All men/women sleep around”, are only trying to excuse or justify their own pecadillos.
Other than scurillious, tabloid, so-called “news” reports, can you cite your sources for these statements? What is the basis of those sources other than to say “They were always together” or words to that effect? Did they have something to gain or an axe to grind? Notice I’m not questioning that some of those you mentioned did mess around, but I filnd it extremely difficult to believe that Nixon was the only one who did not.
By the way, I thought Nixon was a creep, too. Dear old Dad warned me about him and his gang way before I could vote.Unfortunately Dad was right about him as history has shown.
jmworacle said, 2 months ago
She’s smart. When 2012 comes around, I won’t be surprised if she decides to run for President again. Sh’ll know all of the dirty laundry and won’t be afraid to air it out.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago
moosegirl said:
“Surprising how people will believe anything bad about good people without proof, and ignore evidence to the contrary.”
Interesting comment … especially today as the topic turns to Hilary Clinton …
Anyway, I think you may have exposed a bit of a hyperbolic statement by DavidDow. Perhaps there was a twinge of sarcasm to it. My reading of that comment was a way of saying “So what?” that Bill slept around – and not “so what” as a value judgment but “so what?” as in “what does that have to do with Hilary’s job performance/accomplishments/(insert word here)?”
Really. Honestly. We get it. Bill had an affair or two (or more). What bearing does that have at all on whether Hilary Clinton is a competent Secretary of State?
This is to anyone here:
The next time you want to pass judgment on Hilary based on her relationship to Bill, think of this:
If you met a woman at a neighborhood barbecue and someone whispered in your ear that her husband cheats on her … would your first thought be: “well, she must suck at her job”?
jack75287 said, 2 months ago
Web
I did not say she married a guy with an eye for other women I said she married and became dependant on a guy who cheated on her. So your first paragraph makes you guilty of what you accused me of. Hmmmmmm. If you want to play turn around I can do this as long as you can OK.
As for her accomplishments have you seen her track record so for as Secretary of State. She could not get the journalist out of N. Korea so they send in Bill had to be embarassing for her. Yea you will say who cares. But Kim Il Young and the what’s his name from Iran have both openly insulted her.
Buzzy-One
Ok your comment proves me wrong on one point there are still people here who use insults to change the subject, but some how you proved one of my points.
Now to both of you and David to, if you don’t like what I have to say fine. I still have and hold the right to say it, you gentlemen do not have the right to demean what I have to say by low brow insults.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago
Boy it is my day to start stuff.
jmworacle Sorry I am going to have to disagree with you, at least on the level she is working. Her campaign was a mess; she ignored the caucus state which makes up about 12% of the votes. Honest go back read the papers from the time. Can you think of anything that would ignore 1 out of 8 votes or points or anytime of measurement? That is what gave Obama his momentum.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago
Moosegirl, I read the article years ago, and it will take me some time to find it, but Kay Summersby didn’t deny an affair with Eisenhower. She published a book about it. I don’t have the time to do the research right this minute. I also may have misremembered: The article may have been covering the presidents from 1950 to 2000. We certainly know, too, of the affairs of Harding & F.D. Roosevelt from the earlier half-century. I am glad that we share an opinion of Nixon. My point is that these sexual habits have no connection to one’s ability as president. Harding was terrible; F.D.R. was great—both were womanizers.
Jack, your list might as well come from the ’phone book. It has little basis in fact.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago
Note, by the way, all, how lame today’s cartoon is. We’ve moved far past it.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago
oh brother …
jack75287 said:
“I did not say she married a guy with an eye for other women I said she married and became dependant on a guy who cheated on her.”
What’s the difference?
Actually, there is no difference in what you said you did not say and what you now claim to have said … all you added was that she “depended” on him. More to the point, you still feel a need to reference Bill. And that was the point of this whole thing.
jack75287 said:
“So your first paragraph makes you guilty of what you accused me of. Hmmmmmm. If you want to play turn around I can do this as long as you can OK.”
Huh? That’s nonsensical. So let’s take that in two parts:
What I “accused you of” … I said that you are slamming Hilary’s quest to be the symbol of “women’s empowerment” by mentioning that her husband steps out. I said you are incapable of any judgment about Hilary without mentioning Bill. And if you want to talk about irony, I think it is ironic that you are slamming Hilary’s status as an idol of “women’s empowerment” by not judging her on her merits, but in the context of her husband – but this last point is obviously way over your head.
“makes you guilty of what you accused me of” … So, now I’m judging Hilary only in the context of her husband? Huh?
jack75287 said:
“As for her accomplishments have you seen her track record so for as Secretary of State. She could not get the journalist out of N. Korea so they send in Bill had to be embarassing for her. Yea you will say who cares. But Kim Il Young and the what’s his name from Iran have both openly insulted her.”
Well, there you go. You decide to completely ignore that Hilary Clinton has done anything in her life; you want us to believe that all she has done in her life is ride her husband’s coattails. You want to completely ignore that she is educated, she is a professional, and that she has gotten herself elected to high office. These are not “accomplishments” to you, and I’m guess they’re not “accomplishments” to you because you disagree with her politics. But, if you don’t think that judging someone’s politics by referencing her domestic situation is not misogynistic, then you don’t know the meaning of the word.
Maybe it’s your day to “start stuff” because you don’t even realize what you are saying. Maybe you should go find another hobby for a while. This “explaining yourself” thing is not working out very well for you.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago
Web now you are just making things up as you go along. I am not going to even read all of this I will point out this.
Your last statement says: I said that you are slamming Hilary’s quest to be the symbol of “women’s empowerment
Your first comment to me of the day was:
When did Hilary ever say she ’wants to be the example of women’s empowerment’
Like I said you are playing turn around.
Sorry I am done. Go ahead have the last word I want you to have it please.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago
Oh no! Lil’ jack doesn’t want to talk to me anymore!?!
Word of advice, bub … reading is fundamental and you need serious, serious help.
GJ_Jehosaphat
said,
2 months ago
jack75287 - Who is Alamo-girl & why would anyone believe what he/she/it posts on a blog site. Know your sources - click on the “about” or ‘links” button on the top of the web site. U can see the “folks” associated with Alamo-girl & their particular slanted view(s) of the world.
BTW - R U Still making comments while working at your Help Desk Job? Remember, there’s no such thing as a “delete” button (it’s all recorded in your sign-in ID).
Folks who use computers at work - remember it’s Company Property & They Own U while you are working on the clock (including breaks). Key strokes can be monitored by supervisors & managers.
Always log off when leaving your computer un-attended - that way no one can mess with your computer & U get the blame for ………… (fill in the blank) and get your butt in trouble.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago
GJ_Jehosaphat
this is all old news. It is just the first one that came up when I was looking for it, don’t belive me fine.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago
Bill Clinton is not simply another president who had a wandering eye. He has also been accused by more than one woman of sexual assault and rape.
Kathleen Willey, on “60 Minutes,” described an unwanted sexual advance. She claimed the president took his hand and placed it on her breast, and took her hand, placing it on his genitalia. Paula Jones accused him of exposing himself and asking her to … you know what.. If Newt Gingrich had done such things would it be characterized in the media as sexual assault? Should we believe Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones? How can we not?.
In an NBC “Dateline” interview taped before but aired after the Senate impeachment vote, Juanita Broaddrick says that in 1978 then-Arkansas attorney general Bill Clinton raped her. Anyone who saw that interview knows she was telling the truth.
So what we have here is not just a womanizer, but a sexual criminal. And Hillary defended this jerk in order to salvage his legacy and keep alive the possibility of her running for president.
This is a champion of women’s rights? No, this is a champion of a sexual deviant and an “I’ll-do-anything-to-become-president” even if it means trampling on the reputations of innocent women to get there.
GJ_Jehosaphat
said,
2 months ago
Let’s see - the economy sucks, the health care system needs fix’in and we’re stuck talking about some re-run issues of the 90’s (accusations do not always mean the truth when used to smear reputations on either side).
Let’s see if this years flu season & time spent in the ER waiting to see a doctor changes some attitudes. From USA Today (saw the headline & actually bought the paper for the first time). Here’s the video version:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-09-07-video-emergency-room_N.htm