State of the Union by Carl Moore

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mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

That sounds about right for Obama to get his approval rating up. However, the only way for us to know how good a president truly is, is in the future, as history is a good judge.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

Obama has made a fetish out of “avoiding Bill Clinton’s mistakes on healthcare in ‘94.” A far more productive strategy would be to embrace Clinton’s success, which was freeing himself from his party’s left and returning to the centrist themes he had campaigned on.

For months polls have shown a huge gap between the popularity of the president and the unpopularity of his policies. Sooner or later, one of these had to give.

By the many contradictions in his speeches in which, on the one hand, he proclaims that his healthcare plan will not entail bean counters to tell your doctor what’s allowed and what isn’t, and, on the other hand, saying he will set up a commission of doctors to decide which procedures etc. will be allowed and which won’t, he reduces his own credibility and sours the public’s confidence that he knows what he’s doing.

This also applies to his constantly telling us his plan will cover 47 million without insurance and increase quality and reduce cost all at the same time, a feat of ledgerdemain no one believes for an instant.

If he’s smart - and he is smart - he will cut loose from his nutty left, move to the center, get real in his assessments of what can and can’t be done economically, shave down his overwrought ambitions for government-run healthcare, concentrate on creating a healthier environment for businessmen and jacking up the jobs numbers which is the number one priority of the American people.

Do that, and he’s good for two terms. Don’t do it, and he’s gone in 2012.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

satipera,

Your previous post is unfair, uncalled for, and decidedly in bad taste.
slug_queen said, 2 months ago

It’s worse than that. I flagged it.
Kees said, 2 months ago

Hey guys,
look at
http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=fd7ae843e4ef5d690b7b8937ada9f899&w=900.0
The person standing could be either obama or satipera :-) take your pick
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

There’s a certain kind of liberal who sees racism in any criticism of a black man no matter how innocent. Satipera, are you one of them? I thought you were better than that.
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

satipera4 - Well, well, the “standard bearer” raises his true colors.
Kees said, 2 months ago

Satipera4,
Everybody paints Obama “black” :-)) as being the worst boy in the class, who deserves it to stand in the corner with a donkey hat.
Your commentary is equally bad, so stand in the corner and think about it for a while.
Did all this moaning about the president not start with the fact that EVERYBODY can become one, if only he/she has enough money to buy a great campaign and script writer?? So next time, take the first Hobo you see on the street, dress him/her up, convince some lobbyists that this person is the best ever and watch the money rolling in. Create a nice fairy tale around your candidate and abracadabra their is your president. of course you may may take the place of the hobo, if YOU can stand all the commentary that will follow once you are elected.
Kees said, 2 months ago

Satipera4,
It must be the fact that I am already awake for nearly 5.5 hours and working my bleeep of (if not looking at this site) and you most likely (around 02:30 your side?) are longing for a good night sleep…
Sometimes the cynical/satirical undertone misses me, but I blame that to the “written” language barrier.
“low profile” means in my language that you are reluctant to stick your head above the grbleeep, that you will always hide your failures after some lame excuses.
Your previous commentaries on Moore’s cartoons did not show this behavior, so…………. to much Budweiser???
Kees said, 2 months ago

Satipera??5??
That is explaining it, I do humbly apologize :-))))
I already wondered about your skill with words, it is “far more sophisticated” than some of the others………. It must be your British stiff upper lip :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

sati -read it for your self. PS Want to threaten, then go play with tiny.
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

DavidDow: From Yesterday Re: “GJ, you need to get beyond Google & open a few books. Read Howard Zinn’s Peoples History of America, which will tell you in what manner the U.S. is, of course, a socialist nation. No one on this website could do without our socialism—TinyT. more than most.”

Thanks for the book recommendation, but it would be too slow to take the time to read a book when responding to comments - Obviously. I like to Google (any other search engine will do) cause it’s handy & useful when someone posts someone I’m not familiar with such as Saul Alinsky (Stripper77’s Mudslinging Post) mytinytown’s definition of Socialism got me to thinking about what I’ve read about Oligarchy in other comments. I always thought Jesus was more philosophically socialist in the stories written about his life so I thought I’d have some fun with that as a posting.

mytinytown represents the sentiments of a lot of folks who are yelling at Town Hall Meetings & holding TEA Party Demonstrations around the country. My hope would be that some of those “folks” take the time to read the comments attached to SOTU & learn something that’s not taught in High School (or seen on Fox News).

Some Folks probably won’t take the time to “Google” to learn more let alone read a book that’s gonna change their views….but hey, they may learn something on GoComics;-)
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

satipera4 - Re: ““Well it is obviously better to be a low profile racist than faux for satirical purposes.”

The “N” word in your first post is just not used in the States - even for satirical purposes. I’m surprised at how much explicit language has been coming thru the posts the past week or so.

I was commenting (a month ago) on one of the other comics about a TV program from the 60’s (My Mother The Car) that stared Jerry Van bleeep & “Got Bleeped” till I found out I could do Jerry Vanbleeep (go figure that one out cause I’m getting auto-bleeped now even with combining the 2 words of his last name).

Ok - that was a test of the “Auto Bleep System”. Makes one kinda wonder who’s making the Software Censoring List - Too Funny For Bleeping Early In The Morning ;-))
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

satipera4 - I know what U mean about “Taboo” - Obviously “Dy#e” is more Taboo than the “N” word after the above demonstration.

I would have commented on Carl Moore’s Fixation about the Obama’s Bedroom if I thought it was worth commenting on. I’ve seen this drawing before but not sure if it’s a Repeat of the same story line. After Stripper77’s Sexually Explicit Rant 2 days ago - I’m thinking he’s one of those Shills that go around churning up the waters (or it’s just Carl Moore in disguise).
Lewreader said, 2 months ago

How hard is it to lower unemployment,get us out of Afghanistan (Oh yeah, that other troublesome Mid-East county too) and pass universal health care at no cost to the American taxpayer? Wasn’t that promised during the election?
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

satipera4 (yesterday)
“Tiny for instance is happy to believe that all nurses in Canada are up to their eyes in filth and can only speak Chinese.”
PLEASE IF YOU QUOTE ME, DO NOT:
A) Lie
B) Miss quote.
Not sure which is your case, but I said:
“…Including extremely long waits at the doctors and to see a doctor. I have not heard the foreign nurses before, but would not be surprised to see that.”
http://www.gocomics.com/stateoftheunion/2009/09/02/
About 1/3 (that’s .33 or 33%) the way down and you’ll see.
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

GJ_Jehosaphat
You know at one time I actually enjoyed “battling” with you, but you are becoming less fun. I hope you don’t resort to personal stabs anytime soon. Because it seems you are getting close. I hope I am over reacting or misunderstanding, but “There’s something to ponder mytinytown till your next “break”. seems to be a little sarcastic.
harleyquinn said, 2 months ago

“concentrate on creating a healthier environment for businessmen and jacking up the jobs numbers which is the number one priority of the American people.”

This is so true but the rest of your post sablebrush? Well Billy boy did not run to the center he was dragged there by a R Congress. Then you failed to mention it is his teleprompter that is smart, him I am not convinced. If he was he would not be anti capitalism.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

LOL. Look what we have here. The great intellectual liberal is using four letter words. satipera4 If this was sarcasm it is still wrong. I also flagged your post. Satipera I have called you a bigot in the past because of your comments about Christians and people of faith. Not this. Your attitude is awful. If you want attention so bad try and earn it please.
twright64 said, 2 months ago

Hey, everything that doesn’t go a black person’s way is not racism.
I see a story this AM where tax cheat Rangel says that opposition to Obummercare is racism. THAT really pi$$e$ me off.
Hey, Rangel, Jackson, Sharpton, Farakhan, et al.,the cops are sometimes pretty bleeep nasty to me, too, but I don’t scream racism about it.
twright64 said, 2 months ago

And they said Bush was a divisive force in this country! Hell, he couldn’t hold a torch to the Obummerites.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

satipera you are wrong on so many issues. I am not the one who comes here everyday and whines about what ever and today with your own comment showed your own worth.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

How did you get on truth, and what truth is that. The truth of your first comment today, the truth of your past comments. Nancy Pelosi thinks your a bigot to. I must have hit a nerve with you today. You are right about one thing you are wallowing.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

An insult oh my. Satipera you are boring.
Norman said, 2 months ago

@sablebrush & slug-queen:

“They” use the N word on each other all the time.
Shaliach said, 2 months ago

I must have missed something.
omQ R said, 2 months ago

^ You have. Rather dramatic, too. I see all of Satipera’s posts here, and on other comics, have been deleted with extreme prejudice.

Edit: ALL of Satipera’s posts have been deleted. I seem to be having conversations with myself on some comics.

Ai caramba, really miffed the guys with the power.
While certainly over the top, Satipera was using satire in its extreme to point out a possible latent racism in Moore’s comics.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

Sable., President Obama is a centrist; he’s just not as centrist as was President Clinton, who was practically a conservative. If Obama were progressive, then he would have drawn up a true health-care reform plan, and we would be on the verge of getting universal, single-payer health-care, such as the English, French, & Italians—to name three—have. Unfortunately, he is—and has always been—a moderate. Note the number of conservatives in his Cabinet & amongst his advisors. Note the tiny steps involved in this health-care plan. Note his coddling of big business in his stimulus package.

In the long run, even this health-care plan will reduce costs. A universal, single-payer plan, however, would reduce costs more.

As for 2012, to whom will Obama lose? Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? You’re proposing a ticket of regressive failed governors?

SlugQ, I wish that you hadn’t deleted Satipera’s remark. I don’t know what he said, and flagging makes this forum less open. PROPOSAL: RESPOND TO OTHERS’ REMARKS. DON’T FLAG THEM. If we keep flagging, then we become censors, and we lose the full breadth that freedom of speech loves. There are writers here—Mark Trail, Striper—whose remarks I simply ignore. I never attempt to delete them.

Kees, your remarks make no sense.

GJ, you’re welcome. Read when you’re not responding. Thus, you will gain a body of knowledge from which you can write responses. Googling brings forth a ton—or two tons—of crap. TinyT. has no knowledge of socialism. Therefore, he thinks that it’s “BAD”. His attitude toward socialism is akin to the attitude of a three-year-old being served a vegetable. TinyT. has badmouthed all media outlets without mentioning any source from which he gets his information. Thus, we can see the reason for many of his remarks.

As to the few astroturfers at these town halls, any representative with a brain in his/her head can show them for the meat puppets they are. Look at Barney Frank’s handling of them. They are a tiny minority, similar to the handful of ignorant people who think that the universe was created in six days. The American public wants health-care reform. Obama will explain it clearly next Wednesday, and its support will increase. I agree with you in your hope that others may learn something from this forum.

GJ, if what you say is true, then I can’t mention the name of one of the best situation comedies ever, THE DICK VAN bleeep SHOW. This censorship is really out of hand.

Lew, both candidates promised all those things in last year’s election. No one promised to clean up all of Bush-Dick’s messes in seven months. It’s a compliment to Obama that you think that he could.

TinyT., you are correct. Satipera mis-attributed that nonsense to you. It was Ljesseph who said, yesterday, that Canadian nurses are Chinese & don’t speak English, and that the hospitals are dirty. You merely subscribed to that statement. Thus, you must take some responsibility for it. My best to your wife.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

What did satipera say that has gotten everyone so censored off?
omQ R said, 2 months ago

^ the dreaded N word. Its intent was unfortunately misunderstood and offended many, it seems.

I would like to echo Daviddow’s request that these posts do not get flagged.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Ok, what happened, what did you say satipera?
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

Thank God gocomics took Satipera down. For those of you who missed his latest display of bad taste he said Carl you mean that N*er is still in charge. He then claimed he was commenting on racism on this strip. Please read it there is no racism. Satipera has been a bigot to Christians and the self appointed voice of what is right for several months. I for one am tired of his attitude.

Sorry I had to repost his comment.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

What reasons did you have for saying that?
omQ R said, 2 months ago

Re the notorious post:

Agreed Satipera, the post was also deliberately misunderstood by a few especially by those who might have a mild disliking for you and capitalised on it abusing the context; innocently misunderstood by at least one whose mother tongue is not English; and a few took offence regardless of the intended satire.

A pity, a more interesting debate could have been had.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Yes, Satipera, I just saw that on skysports.com. How did they get the ban? I just heard about it, so I’m not really sure what happened, or why.

Sorry about your comments being taken out of context, but that could have been a good debate, like omQ said.

Obama is going to need to turn it around quick, if he wants to pass his healthcare reform, and improve his approval rating.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

sablebrush …

(on yesterday and today)

You can disagree with all the policies you want; however, I fail to comprehend why you (and really, why any other “libertarian” or “right winger” or whatever you want to call yourself) can’t seem to get the actual facts straight. You said it again today:

“… shave down his overwrought ambitions for government-run healthcare …”

It’s there in printed words that only you can edit: “government-run healthcare.” How hard is it to comprehend that the proposals in Washington ARE NOT GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE? I can only conclude that you make this fallacious attempt to construct a strawman that is more easily defeated than the actual proposal. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

Further on this point: what is this meme about “ever-larger government programs” and “intrusions into our lives”? Serious question. What are you referring to? i have not felt one iota of invasion into my life since 1/20/09. Have you? Has anyone? Enough of the blanket statements. I want specifics.

And since we are in full disclosure mode, I am not a liberal. I believe the democrats are head and shoulders in front of any other party right now in keeping true to real American values and their policy proposals reflect that; however the execution of those principles are nuanced and not always well explained. Lastly, I don’t ever want to government to tell me how to run my life; but I do want government to step in when and act when it is necessary.

Like when the private market has so bungled healthcare that good people are left hurt or dying. Like when the private market has so greedily undermined middle class America and left them hurting.

The heroes of my America are good, hard working, honest, decent people who face mountains of bureaucracy and encounter obstacles to the American dream. And it is the obligation of our government to make sure that the laws are equitable enough that everyone gets a shot.

If your feelings get hurt or you get some abridgment on your entitlement in the interest of equity, well too bad. Our common interest in equality and liberty is way more important than your selfish, insular desires.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

@ the toon …

Carl Moore proves yet again that he is of the part of divisiveness. He paints a picture of success that is to “gumdrops and lollipops” that Obama can only fail.

And Carl Moore and the whole agenda to paint Obama as a failure is truly un-American. These “thought leaders” like Glen Beck and Ann Coulter want Obama to fail, and any simpleton that marches along and likewise hopes for Obama failure is just too dumb to recognize that what they hope for is a failed America. They set the stage with impossible expectations, and then when they are not met, they gleefully wag their finger and say, “See! I told you so!”

Face it. If Obama fails, we all fail.

But these morons like Beck and Coulter and the whole Fox News crowd are not on your side. They are attempting to preserve a way of life that empowers big corporations that will sacrifice individuals to make a select few wealthy. It is the very epitome of elitism, class warfare and class snobbery. And, yet, these idiots accuse their opponents of the very sins they are guilty of.

So, bleeep it, decide for yourself. Who is your American hero? Fat-call Wall Street CEOs? Or Work-A-Day Americans?

And who are your heroes? The ones that go to bat for CEOs? Or the ones that go to fight for you and me?
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

Web it may not be totally government run health care but it will get there. This plan will close the private insurance industries all by itself. Which means if you want to buy your own health care out of pocket you better be really rich or you’re out of luck.

Also no this is not about divisiveness. It is a disagreement. We are allowed to do that. The comment was yes impossible to accomplish but what do you expect from a cartoon strip. Come now.

As for your whole Fox news thing. Like a bunch of pundits care about big corporations wow.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

@
DavidDow

I am going to have to disagree with you. Clinton became right leaning after the 94 election year when the Republicans took over congress. He was hard left before that and in his last two years was hard left again. He was practical in his politics. Obama may not be, he is alienating the Senior citizen vote with the healthcare issue. That is not practical. If Obama throws the left off the bus and that is a huge if, he will loose all that money he raised from the Daily Kos and MoveOn.org. It will be a lot harder for Obama then it was for Clinton. NBC and General Electric are not what they used to be so they cannot keep building him up.

Clinton had Wal-Mart backing him along with Tyson Chicken when they were both very healthy companies. Obama ran as a centrist yes but his action sense the election is hard left and he has a feel of grapping power like the Presidential control of the internet in an emergency is a little scary. Countries that have done that are China, Iran, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Belarus and Russia today.

Obama can be a good president he needs to cut back on his Healthcare ambitions and focus on job creation. A bill killing tax loop holes for companies opening factories overseas would be welcome by both parties. He might have gotten Healthcare taken care of his way. Focus on jobs this year get unemployment down and then he would have a lot more political capital.

Sorry Obama is making his own bed just like the rest of us.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

jack …

Two words:

PROVE IT.

You said:

“it may not be totally government run health care but it will get there. This plan will close the private insurance industries all by itself. Which means if you want to buy your own health care out of pocket you better be really rich or you’re out of luck.”

PROVE IT. GIVE ME ONE SHRED OF ANYTHING THAT OBAMA AND HIS CABINET INTEND TO DO AWAY WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE.

Until you do, you are simply living in fear. And you deserve to be ignored, ridiculed, and mocked for clinging to unfounded conspiracy theories.

You also said:

“As for your whole Fox news thing. Like a bunch of pundits care about big corporations wow. ”

Let’s use this health care debate as an example.

The pundits would have you believe that health care is bad for America because it is “socialism” or “big government” or some other such seemingly unpalatable proposition.

But its all semantics. These are innocuous words that carry horrible connotations. In fact, health care reform is neither socialism nor big government. But the “Pundits” are willing to perpetuate this fraud because they know that simple minded people will eat that stuff for lunch. Because they know that people are not complex enough to get the facts for themselves.

Jack, don’t be innocent or naive. Be intellectually honest: who benefits if the government OPTION fails?

Big corporations and BIG FAT MILLIONAIRE CEOs. And who gets hurt? Millions of uninsured Americans (including children). All these “Pundits” are doing is appealing to the basest of their base’s desires and glossing over facts while perpetuating policies that don’t benefit the very people that follow them like mindless automatons.

It’s funny that this crowd has adopted the term “Sheeple” to describe their opposition, because these “Pundits” make their living on the complacency of sleepy eyed, unthinking, soundbite grabbing followers.

The irony simply kills me.

Glad you focused in on the “Fox news thing” … that kind of single focus is exactly what I am talking about.

You don’t even realize that all that spew coming from Fox … all that conservative hoo-ha about laissez-faire economics and “no regulation” … that stuff just makes companies richer and you poorer.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Jack, if the government option passes, big corporations will have less people to give them money. If it fails, like Editor said, big corporations and millionaires will benefit.

If the gvt. option was made available only to those who either chose to go on it, or couldnt afford anything else, yeah. I’ll support it. However, the way I understand it, Obamas plan will make it so that it is hard to stay off. I might be wrong, if I am, please correct me.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

oh. And Fox … IS A BIG CORPORATION

Of course it slants towards the “news” that makes corporations richer.

And claims that there is a mainstream liberal media bias. Its all a marketing ploy to grow their audience, and, in turn, grown their advertising revenue.

And of course the “MSM” embraces, or at least doesn’t refute the liberal bias claim, because that’s how they brand their product. They sell to a niche just as much as Fox does.

But fact is … 12 corporations own all of the media outlets in the US, and it may be less than that. They’re all megacorporations (like Disney) and they just sell you entertainment. There is zero integrity.
Doctor Toon said, 2 months ago

Another one bites the dust?
Pretty sad that this page gets so rancorous that people lose their accounts over it.
So, who’s next?
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Doc, it is sad, but thats what happens. Hopefully no one will be next.
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

Doctor Toon
Me or humphries would be my guess.
striper77 said, 2 months ago

And This is How Obama Remembers 9-11?

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=1891
Shaliach said, 2 months ago

I’m deleting my account today. It’s disheartening that too many people seem incapable of having a civil and respectful debate. Not all of you–just some.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Shaliach, I’m sad to see you go. Too often you were the voice of reason here. SOTU, if you do delete your account, has lost a great poster.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

No need to go Shaliach … I’ll slip away quietly … because it saddens me to interact with people who deal in falsehood or else are unwilling to extend their thought process beyond what they are told to believe. And it sickens me that many Americans care only for themselves and have little to no regard for any problem that does not show up in their living room.

But I’ll leave with this open question:

What if the government were to propose a plan that would allow you to purchase car insurance for cheaper rates? Would we all still be having such a heated debate?

You see, all this whining and moaning about health insurance, it’s about the dollar amount. And some supposed injustice where people feel they are going to be paying for fat slobs who don’t work. It is so utterly tiresome. And boring. And simple minded.

I’d be willing to bet almost anything that if a proposal came down to allow people an option to pay less for their car insurance, that people would jump at it.

Unless some talking head told them how much it would hurt the poor, poor car insurance companies …
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Editor, I want to thank you, although you did it unintentionally. You put the healthcare talk into terms I can understand. I agree, although it is not perfect, it is affordable for people who would otherwise be unable to afford healthcare. That is not right.

It kind of saddens me to see some of the best posters on this board leaving. I kind of wonder, am I one of the kinds of posters that forced Editor, and Shaliach, to leave?