State of the Union by Carl Moore

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mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Ah yes, its always someone elses fault. Forget the fact that a larger percent of America doesnt want what Obama is selling, the Democrats have majority, its the Republicans fault. Typical hypocrite Liberals.
Buzzy-One said, 2 months ago

A real bright bulb mroberts88, make a comment about everyone else’s fault then smear ege on your face closing with “”Typical hyprocrite Liberals.”.
slug_queen said, 2 months ago

77% of Americans want health care reform, and of those, 80% want the Public Option. Problem now is getting Congress to listen to the people instead of their corporate sponsors.
Edcole1961 said, 2 months ago

What do you expect when the insurance companies think so little of us than to sell us their service using a duck and a lizard?
KingRat said, 2 months ago

@slug_queen - I’ve seen the 77% want reform but haven’t seen any polls that get near 50% on the public option do you have links to those polls?
toasteroven said, 2 months ago

You know who else is a hypocrite?

EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE, ALWAYS.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

Obama’s healthcare plan is in trouble. The only way to get it passed is to go the reconciliation route where he will only need 50 votes to pass it in the Senate. But if he does that, he will have pissed off half the country. If he doesn’t go the reconciliation route, he risks not passing anything which would be a huge political embarrassment.

What he should do is start over. Accept the fact that too many Americans don’t want his huge healthcare makeover. Try something small and incremental that would get large bipartisan support, allow him to declare victory (of some sort) and move on.
sablebrush5 said, 2 months ago

By the way, people are beginning to ask what did Obama know and when did he know about the Scottish government releasing that convicted Lockerbie bomber? Was he informed ahead of time (and if not, why not?). Did he object and, if so, why didn’t he forcefully let the British and Scottish governments know that it would cost them to release the murderer of American students, women and children? Where was he and his administration in this whole fiasco?
sherpafree said, 2 months ago

Makes you wonder if Katie’s related to Heath Ledger.
ejcapulet said, 2 months ago

Oh, good grief, what do you expect from a whole pile of lawyers? That’s what lawyers *do* for a living - blame someone else.
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

slug_queen
Need proof on your “77%” and the “80%” figures please and not from some liberal whacked out site.

satipera4
So you are saying that the Scottish government believes in releasing people who are murders because they are dying???
WOW! That is a problem. It seems like the Scottish government lacks passion if this is the case. Releasing a killer in to the public shows no compassion for the ones the pile killed and the ones he could kill.
This also shows what putz President Obama is when it comes to our countries safety.
Lewreader said, 2 months ago

Why does a big huge far-reaching bill have to be passed all at once? Political glory? Pass prior conditions leg this year. Pass a bill about losing your insurance next year, Find a way to insure the uninsured the year after. In my state (Ct) they are talking like taking away illegal aliens free dental was inhumane. I worked for the same company 20 years. I never got dental insurance.

Spread the wealth someone recently said. Let the people who work pay for those who don’t
LibrarianInTraining said, 2 months ago

toasteroven, bravo! Well spoken, sir! Er, or madam, whichever you happen to be. The turtle wasn’t much of a clue. lol
twright64 said, 2 months ago

slug_queen
There isn’t a single reliable poll out there that shows a majority support for Obummer’s health care “reform”. Can’t possibly imagine where you got those outrageous figures.

Don’t drink the Koolaid, slug_queen.
farren said, 2 months ago

Why not? You obviously have. Just a different flavor.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

Replying to Lewreader, from yesterday’s remarks:

I agree, Lew, that those who expected President Obama & the Democratic congress to fix overnight the HUGE messes that Bush-Dick left for us deluded themselves.

Certainly, though, our health-care system needs reforming. It is a disgrace among industrialized nations. Indeed, it’s the “system” cited to rebut people in, say, Switzerland, who complain about their health care: “Would you want American’s corporate-run health care?” “Certainly not” is the automatic reply. Throughout the industrialized world, people can see in what a health-care fiasco we live in the U.S.A.

Attempting an equation between the scandal concerning the presidential election of 2000 & these few “birthers” fails, though. The Supreme Court, in certifying the Florida non-recount, and Vice-President Gore’s refusal to endorse a congressional challenge both sidestepped the proper constitutional process. Less than ten years later, no constitutional scholar endorses the Supremes decision.

I agree with the common goal, but I’d like to extend it. We need to work toward the good of all people.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

The town-hall eruptions are over. The tiny minority of shouters willing to act for the America-haters have performed & returned to their small houses to watch the right-wing mainstream media & to access wacko websites like those to which we receive links from opiners here.

Increasing numbers of Americans see that we need serious health-care reform, that it is almost a century overdue, and that leaving things as they are will make the problem worse. I am sorry that the House plan is so complicated. All Americans simply need the health-care that veterans, senators, & representatives receive. In the meantime, however, any steps to ensure that everyone is fairly covered are steps in the right direction. Most Americans see that; President Obama will prepare a presentation that the networks—despite their conservative leanings—will broadcast, because (1) They feel that it’s their responsibility & (2) Obama is good television; and a health-care bill will pass congress this fall & Obama will sign it.

On other issues: Satipera, you know better than to reply to Sable when he/she is in wingnut mode. No one but a few creationists thinks that Obama has any connection to the Scots justice system showing compassion. I cannot understand why anyone is in an uproar about this. This man was at least imprisoned. Ronald Reagan did the same thing but never spent a day in prison.

I agree with TinyT. & KingR., SlugQ. (though not with TinyT.’s gratuitous disparagement of other websites): We’d like to see a citation, a source, for your polling on health-care. TinyT., as to the rest of your statement, you need to think again & read my previous paragraph (above). In addition, the compassionate act of the Scots government says nothing about Obama, who is still a far-&-away improvement over the president of the last eight years, of whom you can, I note, say nothing to defend. My best to your wife. I hope that today finds here in good health, well into her last trimester.
SQUIDBREAKER said, 2 months ago

@Shaliach:

I am working out my platform on Frank and Earnest. I need to be both, don’t you think?

SOTU back to normal after one day of mass confusion and clowning around.

A.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

sablebrush …

Where was Obama when the Lockerbie bomber was released?

He was in Washington, where he ought to be.

It has been widely reported that Obama not only knew about the release, but was incensed that this guy was being released. He worked through back channels to stop it. And he made a public statement of disgust when he was thrown a welcome home party. Of course, you probably missed all that because you have ears only for information or ideas that paint Obama in a bad light.

But guess what? It wasn’t Obama’s call. It was Scotland’s decision. And Scotland is a sovereign nation. And we respect sovereign nations.

Or at least we used to.

I don’t think you understand how noxiously jingoistic it is to assume that America could or should dictate policy in a foreign nation.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

What I like about today’s strip is that no one has been able to produce a picture of a Nazi flag or swatika before not after Nancy said that crazy statement.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

@ the toon …

I somewhat agree with the first panel.

The Democrats have already walked a mile in the Republican’s moccasins.

In fact, that is why they are a mile ahead in every issue and own themselves a brand new pair of moccasins to boot …
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

Jack, look at this clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8, to see people at a town-hall meeting claim that health-care reform is “Nazi” & equate President Obama with Hitler.
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

DavidDow
“Attempting an equation between the scandal concerning the presidential election of 2000”
Every time someone bring this fairytale up I am going to remind that the Obama IS an illegal alien. That was a fake birth certificate and many source can prove it.
This is far worse the your claim on the 2000 even the 2004 election.
Our scheduled due date seems to be Sept. 30th. Thank you for your concern .
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

Tiny, you’re just determined to let it all hang out.
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

HUMPHRIES
You have an issue what what I said?
I am guessing your offense is to my illegal alien statement.
If so, what is the difference to the democratic party crying over and over foul! when it comes to the 2000 and 2004 election Or when the republicans cry foul about citizenship?
I know the difference!!!!
When the democrats cry foul, it is the unfathomable truth! When a republican cries foul he/she is a wingnut. Did I get it?
jmworacle said, 2 months ago

The “Healthcare Reform” that is being talked about is complete government control of the healthcare industry. Of course you can keep your coverage, initally, but should you or your employer provided coverage is changed then you have no choice to go into the “public option”. In addition the I.R.S. has the right to access your financial records. Had something like this were to be proposed by the previous or any other Republicrat administration, you would have heard a cry of outrage from The Mainstream Media, A.C.L.U., liberal and conservative talk show pundits, and especially Fox News. So much for President Obama governing from the center.
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

TinyT., in re President Obama’s birth: He was born in 1961 in Hawai’i. If you can prove otherwise, then go ahead. In re the presidential election of 2000: The Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount, and Vice-President Gore refused to endorse a congressional challenge. Thus, the Supreme Court awarded the presidency to Bush-Dick. I cannot see how you could possibly argue against those facts, but if you want to, then please cite sources that argue otherwise. The issue with Obama has no substance. The issue of the election of 2000 is already a constitutional scandal & a blot on recent electoral history.

Woracle, I’m afraid that everything you write is incorrect. Please stop trusting the right-wing mainstream media: C.B.S., A.B.C., N.B.C., FOX, C.N.N., &al. Please read some responsible journals and read the House’s bill, too.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

The “Healthcare Reform” that is being talked about is complete government control of the healthcare industry. Of course you can keep your coverage, initally, but should you or your employer provided coverage is changed then you have no choice to go into the “public option”. In addition the I.R.S. has the right to access your financial records. Had something like this were to be proposed by the previous or any other Republicrat administration, you would have heard a cry of outrage from The Mainstream Media, A.C.L.U., liberal and conservative talk show pundits, and especially Fox News. So much for President Obama governing from the center.

Not government control. Public option. Key word: option

If your employer coverage lapses, you do have private mechanisms. Look up COBRA, for instance.

The IRS has no right to your records unless you are being audited. Nothing will change that.

The last administration did, however, propose a vast invasion of privacy and an over-arching invasion on Constitutional rights. It was called the PATRIOT Act.
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

DavidDow
The supreme court stopped us from proving Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud, so again, the same thing.
I can no longer take anything you say seriously after this “Please stop trusting the right-wing mainstream media: C.B.S., A.B.C., N.B.C., FOX, C.N.N., &al.”

If you think any of those with a slight exception to Fox, your nuts.
butch1942 said, 2 months ago

It is ironic to make fun of someones spelling, yet miss-spell egg.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Tiny,
Obama was born in the USA.
Buzzy,
I was being sarcastic.
DavidDow
What makes you so sure we werent created?

Since I have lunch and class, I’ll be back around 2:30
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

TinyT., I don’t know what you mean by “same thing”. If you have no evidence that President Obama was not born in Hawai’i, evidence to refute his birth announcement of 1961, say, which is pretty definitive, and evidence that he was born someplace else, then simply admit that your claim is baseless.

As to the presidential election of 2000, you haven’t refuted anything I wrote about it. We can discuss it further, but there is really no need. Historians are coming to a reasonably consensus about it; a complete recount was performed in the fall of 2001, so we have an accurate count of the election of 2000; and (thank our lucky stars) despite efforts in that direction, Bush-Dick didn’t destroy the country, and we have moved back, if slowly, onto the track of progress. It will take MANY years to clean up the messes left by Bush-Dick & the Republican Congresses, but Obama & the Democrats are making a start.

Your remark referring to mine about the mainstream media made no sense. If you have something to say about them, then please do so. I don’t know why anyone takes anything seriously that any of those networks state. I suggest—for you & all other readers—that you turn off the box & take up the more literate & intelligent magazines & newspapers: THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, THE NATION, THE PROGRESSIVE, & THE NEW YORKER—just to name five. There is also decent information on N.P.R. & P.B.S. Listen to THE DIANE REHM SHOW, DEMOCRACY NOW, TALK OF THE NATION, WASHINGTON WEEK, & NOW—to name just five.

Roberts, what are you talking (writing) about?
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

butch1942 said:

“It is ironic to make fun of someones spelling, yet miss-spell egg.”

I believe you missed an apostrophe in someone’s, there is no hyphen in misspell, and you misspelled misspell.

Not to mention that you misused irony. Perhaps you meant incongruous, as in:

It would seem incongruous to make an issue about another person taking umbrage at spelling mistakes when that person never mentioned spelling mistakes in the first place.

The world definitely needs more grammar cops …
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

DavidDow, you said creationists in an insulting way, I just wanted to know what made you so sure that we werent created by a higher power.
Norman said, 2 months ago

@DavidDow
Then WHY does KENYA say his records are sealed ?????

As all of his other record from kindergarden to now sealed?

Because he is a damn*ed LIAR
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

@Norman …

And I’m sure you would be willing to sacrifice your personal liberties and expectations of privacy just because someone makes a bogus claim about you?

What if I questioned your legal alien status and asked you to unseal your birth record (which contains vital information) and your school records so that I could post them on the Internet?

And before you give me that “but he’s the President and he serves in public office” line … we live in a land of Constitutional rights and in a land where privacy ought to mean something. How can you expect a President to enforce a Constitution and the rights they convey if he does not get the benefit of those same rights?

Obama’s records are sealed because everyone’s records are sealed. Or did you forget the part about rights being equal and that no one deserves special treatment, either for benefit or punishment, under the law?
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

Norman Norman Norman - Oh My - Y do U believe all the “Hoo Ha”” (polite form of BS) U read about Birther Rants.

So to learn more I googled:
Kenya sealed Obama records
AND found:

“A recent WorldNetDaily article by Jerome Corsi reports “Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii’s Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate’s birth certificate under seal and instructed the state’s Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.””

http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-interest-to-white-people/obamas-records-sealed-by-kenyan-government-and-hawaii-governor_3932.html

So I Googled: World Net Daily & Found Via Wiki - (I know it’s ?’able information source, but then so is the topic of President Obama’s Birth Certificate.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

It has alot of STUFF I don’t care to copy, but there U go. Look at the SOURCE of your Birther Rant - This is what I came up with -
DO U HAVE ANY RELIABLE SOURCES?
HUMPHRIES said, 2 months ago

Tiny, issues with the posts and numbers, naw. Just same O same O and anyone who reads it knows what it is. I just wondered who delegatedted you the authority and knowledge to judge and insult a government. Thank goodness these mentals will be regulated to the backwaters.
jack75287 said, 2 months ago

Web and Norman.

The issue is simple. Obama by sealing his records got these birthers ranting to make them look like idots. The thing is because he sealed his birth certificate and all the info on a birth certificate is name date parents place of birth vital but nothing one needs to worry about, he made himself look like an idot to. It is just another flag pin issue.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

With all due respect, Jack, that is not the issue at all.

Obama didn’t unseal his records because no one should have to. In fact, Obama’s records were reviewed and certified by the proper agencies. This is a moot issue.

So, let me make this crystal clear:

No private citizen has any right to gain access to another private citizen’s private records, regardless of whether you believe the information on those private records to be consequential or not.

Public figures have to divulge certain information, such as tax records, to qualify for an election. But those kinds of records are not nearly as personal as someone’s birth records or school records.

If you or anyone expects your records to remain private, then you should hold your public officials to the same standard. Period.

What’s next? Are we going to demand public servants offer up their private medical records?
mytinytown said, 2 months ago

mroberts88
“Tiny,
Obama was born in the USA. ”
Regardless where he was born, it is the same argument. The courts stepped up and right or wrong they made their decision.

GJ_Jehosaphat
Yes I am at work, and yes I get breaks. I do not take an established 15 minute break or the other established 10 minute break. I get my work down and been much busier here lately due to the lightening hit. Which is really none of your business. My point about Obama and his birth record was what I stated above. Yes it should be dropped and everyone needs to get over it the courts spoke out, right or wrong. Same as the 2000 election.

DavidDow
I do not take any news network serious. They are far to liberal to do so. My point was your consistent miss leading claim that they are CONSERVATIVE. You just named 7 of the most liberal news sources out there. Thank you for exposing yourself.

HUMPHRIES
“I just wondered who delegatedted you the authority and knowledge to judge and insult a government.”
The 1st amendment maybe?
As well you talk about insults. Nah, I won’t go there.

Gotta go home from work, my day is through. Been a very busy day.
striper77 said, 2 months ago

Pelosi keeps talking about the Nazi’s and comparing them to conservatives, right wings, anyone whom is against the Obama administration and the democrat party.
She may need to realize that half of the people are not with their plan and are extremely upset with the whole Obama administration and the democrats being in full control.

Back to the Nazi statements she is stating. I briefly watched some material on them and their torture. I always heard of the 10 million people the Nazi’s killed and the torture such as hanging people by their arms behind their back. This would break numerous bones at once. But of the 10 minutes I watched of this 2 hour show was more brutal than anything I have seen or could imagine.
They would completely break down the people mentally, physically and torture them while doing it. They would send in homosexuals to rape heterosexuals. They would rape people over and over, burn their reproductive parts, beat them with wipes. Shot them at close range and great many other items.

The reason why I am stating this. I think there is only four people in Washington whom would do such things as these. They are the most evil and wicked in Washington and possibly the whole world. Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid.
WebEditor said, 2 months ago

True or False time Striper77:

True or False – people showed up at town hall meetings with displays of swastikas?

Undeniably True

True or False – Nancy Pelosi pointed this fact out?

Undeniably True

True or False – It can be concluded that Pelosi extended this analysis to all conservatives and right wingers?

Undeniably False

True or False – Some of the protesters at the town hall meetings were sent by certain grass roots organizations with the sole purpose of causing disharmony and not to actually disagree with the health care proposals?

Undeniably True

True or False – Nancy Pelosi called these people “astroturf”?

Undeniably True

True or False – Nancy Pelosi also acknowledged in her comments that some people legitimately showed up to be educated on the issues and that some people had legitimate concerns about health care?

Undeniably True

Want to know what’s truly evil and wicked? Willfully spreading lies in the name of propaganda. In other words, blatantly making False statements without any effort to discover what is True.
striper77 said, 2 months ago

Web Editor,

If Satan himself ascended from hell and ran for the democrat seat would you vote for him?

Answer yes.

Would you then tell me how much of great person Satan was?

Answer yes.
Vasmosn said, 2 months ago

Since no one else has, here is a link to the support for the public option. Alternatively you can google public option poll and come up with others since I’m sure some will discount this poll as a “wacked out liberal” site. Also, it’s interesting that not only have I never seen any other president’s birth certificate, I’ve not even seen them produce what Obama produced, whether you think it was enough or not.
Vasmosn said, 2 months ago

woops…forgot the link…..http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/polls/main5098517.shtml
DavidDow said, 2 months ago

Mrob., creationists insist that the creation stories in “Genesis” supersede 150 years of scientific study in natural selection. This has nothing to do with my—or anyone’s—surety in having been “created by a higher power”. One can easily accept the well-developed theory of natural selection and accept a notion of “a higher power”.

Thank you, Norman. You have no evidence.

I’m afraid that you’re wrong, TinyT. The media outlets I mentioned earlier are fundamentally conservative. The newspapers, magazines, & radio shows I suggested are intelligent & informative. You should read & listen to them. Once you have, then you can tell me whether they are biased AND, more importantly, whether their bias supersedes their being intelligent, reasoned, & informative. If you have sources to which you attend regularly, then please share them. I don’t care whether any source is progressive or regressive as long as it is intelligent, informative, & well-reasoned. I hope that you feel the same.

Striper, if these two remarks show the tenor of your remarks, then no one need read them.
mroberts88 said, 2 months ago

Well David, that was my mistake then.

Striper, do you have any evidence to back any of this up?
GJ_Jehosaphat said, 2 months ago

Stripper77’s Back! Great Jumping Jehosaphat! RE:

“If Satan himself descended from hell and ran for the democrat seat would you vote for him?”

From What Perspective Would “SATAN DESCENDED FROM H#LL”.

I Believe U May Have Meant “As·cended” From H#LL (at least that’s the story they tried to get me to “believe” in Sunday School. Just a bunch of “Hoo Ha” to scare folks into behaving….
Ronshua said, 2 months ago
GJ_Jehosaphat–You“believe”hell means something other than eternal damnation tormented in a place called hell . Fellow pilgrim you believe well .This valley was the garbage dump for every thing . This land fill is a park today . Vine’s complete expository dictionary . ——-Hell
1. geenna (G1067) represents the Hebrew Ge-Hinnom (the valley of Tophet) and a corresponding Aramaic word; it is found twelve times in the NT, eleven of which are in the Synoptists, in every instance as uttered by the Lord Himself. He who says to his brother, Thou fool (see under FOOL), will be in danger of “the hell of fire,” Mat5:22; it is better to pluck out (a metaphorical description of irrevocable law) an eye that causes its possessor to stumble, than that his “whole body be cast into hell,” Mat5:29; similarly with the hand, Mat5:30; in Mat18:8, Mat18:9, the admonitions are repeated, with an additional mention of the foot; here, too, the warning concerns the person himself (for which obviously the “body” stands in chapter 5); in Mat18:8, “the eternal fire” is mentioned as the doom, the character of the region standing for the region itself, the two being combined in the phrase “the hell of fire,” Mat18:9. To the passage in Matthew 18, that in Mar9:43-47, is parallel; here to the word “hell” are applied the extended descriptions “the unquenchable fire” and “where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched.”
  That God, “after He hath killed, hath power to cast into hell,” is assigned as a reason why He should be feared with the fear that keeps from evil doing, Luk12:5; the parallel passage to this in Mat10:28 declares, not the casting in, but the doom which follows, namely, the destruction (not the loss of being, but of wellbeing) of “both soul and body.”
  In Matthew 23 the Lord denounces the scribes and Pharisees, who in proselytizing a person “make him two-fold more a son of hell” than themselves (Mat23:15), the phrase here being expressive of moral characteristics, and declares the impossibility of their escaping “the judgment of hell,” Mat23:33. In Jam_3:6 “hell” is described as the source of the evil done by misuse of the tongue; here the word stands for the powers of darkness, whose characteristics and destiny are those of “hell.”
  For terms descriptive of “hell,” see e.g., Mat13:42; Mat25:46; Phi3:19; 2Th1:9; Heb10:39; 2Pe2:17; Jud1:13; Rev2:11; Rev19:20; Rev20:6, Rev20:10, Rev20:14; Rev_21:8.
  Notes: (1) For the rendering “hell” as a translation of hades, corresponding to Sheol, wrongly rendered “the grave” and “hell,” see HADES. (2) The verb tartaroo, translated “cast down to hell” in 2Pe_2:4, signifies to consign to Tartarus, which is neither Sheol nor hades nor hell, but the place where those angels whose special sin is referred to in that passage are confined “to be reserved unto judgment”; the region is described as “pits of darkness.” RV