State of the Union by Carl Moore

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  1. NancyPelosi

    NancyPelosi said, 3 months ago

    ”George Orwell, a man of the Left, warned us that freedom and truth are not endangered only by easily identifiable goose-stepping goons in jackboots. More often he felt that state collectivism would come from an all-powerful government — run by a charismatic egalitarian, promising to protect us from selfish, greedy reactionaries.

    Orwell was on to something.”

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjUwOTJhODE5Yzk2ZjIzN2MwOWZhNzE2NDIwMTExOTc=

  2. GJ_Jehosaphat

    GJ_JehosaphatGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Racism is NOT funny - ever. What’s the point of this strip?

    My guess is Carl has a collection of strips to use when he can’t come up with something more relevant to what’s happening in today’s news. Collecting kids from Nigeria sounds more like Slave Traders Anoymous than “Snobs Anonymous”.

  3. sablebrush5

    sablebrush5 said, 3 months ago

    Think Angelina Jolie, Madonna, etc. Celebrities who put on display their “compassion,” their “benevolence,” their “charity,” their “committment to diverstiy,” by adopting a poor black kid from Africa or Asia. They don’t realize they look like puffed up peacocks strutting and condescending to the unfortunate 3rd worlders who should be eternally grateful for their tenderness and love… Give me a break.

  4. dkalloch

    dkallochGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    I like eggs

  5. cabrobst

    cabrobst said, 3 months ago

    If the adopted child is loved and genuinely made part of the family, if the birth parents and home government consent, if the child is okay with it, fine. But if the child is just another pretentious gucci bag for the rich lady to carry around for show then discard in his teen-aged years, then that human being is no better than a pet. Let her get one of the ridiculous purse dogs and just support schools in Africa.

  6. LibrarianInTraining

    LibrarianInTraining said, 3 months ago

    My boss is from Nigeria. Nice guy. I got nothing against international adoption. I myself want to adopt from either China or India.

    I really don’t get this one.

  7. Lewreader

    LewreaderGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    There’s a guy on my E-MAIL from Nigeria who is going to make me rich

  8. twright64

    twright64 said, 3 months ago

    Hey Lewreader, that’s MY lottery winnings from Nigeria
    you’re trying to claim.

    FarLeftNutjob - why don’t you and your looney ideas just
    take a hike?????????????

  9. twright64
  10. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 3 months ago

    Marktrail, if thats the case, why didnt we invade back in 1991, after we had the Iraqi military beat? We could have invaded Iraq, and had Saddam, and this current Iraqi war is unneccesary. Explain that one marktrail.

  11. Radical-Knight

    Radical-KnightGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    dkalloch said, I like eggs

    ☺

  12. dapperdan61

    dapperdan61Genius_badge said, 3 months ago

    I love this strip ONLY because of all the diverse comments made by everyone from Farleft side to Mark Trail. Pretty lively comments made today at Doonesbury

  13. bmwk12ltc

    bmwk12ltc said, 3 months ago

    mrroberts88 I’ll try to help you understand. In 1991 we were part of a coalition that was their to free Kuwait. That was accomplished and the other partners did not want to continue into Iraq for a number of reasons. One of which is the hope that Saddam would be contained and give up on his craziness. Also the Saudi’s were afraid if we had gone in then that Iran would have filled the vacumn created by Saddams removal as most Iraqis are the same kind of muslims as Iran. The Saudi’s have always been nervous of Iran gaining control of Iraq and its oil wealth as well as army, remember to that Iran is not Arab they are Persians. Also Bush Sr. didn’t have the backing in Congress to continue. He might not have thought it was necessary either as he had been a pilot in WW2 and a lot of times they don’t understand that to get the job done you have to have troops on the ground. Air Supremacy doesn’t always win the battle. These are just my attempts to understand a complicated world that doesn’t give itself to simple answers.

  14. WebEditor

    WebEditor said, 3 months ago

    MarkTrail …

    Where do you get your facts? Or lies, as the case may be?

    James Baker told Bushie to go in to Iraq. So he did. As well, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of Bush’s inner circle made the case that 9/11 was the opportunity to secure oil rights.

    It would not have been cheaper, because Sadaam Hussein didn’t want to sell to us, so (see previous paragraph).

    There were no terrorists in Iraq … until after the US invasion. Saddam and Osama were on opposite sides of the Muslim conflict. Saddam was seen as “westernized” and everything that Osama loathed.

    We removed a murderous thug … but we allow far worse murderous thugs to stay in power elsewhere. Have you heard of Darfur? The US is not some benevolent peace force, or else we would have cleaned up the Sudan eons ago. But they don’t have oil, so we don’t have an interest.

  15. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 3 months ago

    bmwk12ltc, we knew that the man had commited war crimes. We could have moved in, taken down the Iraqi gvt., and stayed in, until a new Iraqi Gvt. was formed. That previous comment was more directed at marktrail, but thanks for responding anyway.

  16. WebEditor

    WebEditor said, 3 months ago

    roberts …

    Saudi Arabia didn’t want us to set up a military base in their country. They became increasingly irritated at our allowance of female soldiers, and they became convinced that a US presence would undermine their role in the Middle East. The US, in order to appease and ally, backed out. An invasion in 1991 would have been a long term commitment, and it would have been impossible without boots on the ground. From a practical standpoint, without a nearby base of operations in Saudi Arabia, the invasion would not have been successful.

    But once we had a base of operations in Afghanistan … well …

    There was also disagreements amongst our coalition partners that we ought to take down Iraq. There was fear that if we acted without the cooperation of our partners, we would have been viewed as tyrannical and that we could have made a martyr out of Saddam.

    But once we decided to act in a unilateral, self-interested fashion … well …

    The war crimes committed by Saddam were reprehensible. And we were concerned with them in 1991. But more to the point, Saddam was trying to seize oil fields from Kuwait, which meant he could have played oil politics on a much grander scale. The international community balked because they knew a Saddam controlled Kuwait meant much, much higher oil prices. So we went in to protect oil prices then under Bush the 41st, and we did it again under Bush the 43rd. The prospect of making someone answer for war crimes was NEVER the primary reason for invasion.

    But once the Hawks realized the PR mess they had made for themselves … well … they all of a sudden started to emphasize the war crimes myth.

  17. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 3 months ago

    WebEditor, that was basically my entire point. I was saying that we could have killed saddam years ago, for the same things we claim to have invaded Iraq for just 6 years ago.
    Yes, thats why we invaded Kuwait, to liberate the oil fields. Protecting Saudi oil fields was the point in Operation: Desert Shield.

  18. HUMPHRIES

    HUMPHRIESGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Mark Trail in March of 91 I was sitting in the iraqi desert with my unit awaiting out come of negoations between the Iraq government and the Coalition Forces. The Sec of Defense and Chairman of Joint Chiefs of staff warned Bush 41 that a push in to Bagdad would not be supported by all the members of the Coalition and at that time logistical support would prove to be an immense problem. Try and remember who the Sec of Defense was then. See the free world safe again and all you had to do as worry about was the price of gasoline.

  19. Shaliach

    Shaliach said, 3 months ago

    On March 2, 1998, TIME magazine published an essay by George H.W. Bush–an excerpt of which follows:

    While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state.

    We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in “mission creep,” and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs.

    Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq.

    The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well.

    Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.’s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish.

    Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different–and perhaps barren–outcome.

    True to the guidelines we had established, when we had achieved our strategic objectives (ejecting Iraqi forces from Kuwait and eroding Saddam’s threat to the region) we stopped the fighting.

    Our prompt withdrawal helped cement our position with our Arab allies, who now trusted us far more than they ever had. We had come to their assistance in their time of need, asked nothing for ourselves, and left again when the job was done.

  20. WebEditor

    WebEditor said, 3 months ago

    Interesting excerpt from TIME magazine. Too bad Bush Jr. didn’t listen to Daddie Bush. He had a few thoughts in that little passage that proved to be quite sagacious.

  21. WebEditor

    WebEditor said, 3 months ago

    Really, Some Scumbag? You have Madonna on speed dial?

    No. You don’t know anyone that has ever adopted internationally. And I’d bet you don’t even know anyone that has adopted a child. Because, to them, it has everything to do with the child being adopted. But what do you know? You’re an ignorant keyboard bully; you’re awful tough in your anonymity. And all you’re interested in is showing how regressive you are. Well, congratulations, you just proved that you are three evolutionary steps before troglodytes.

    What’s the matter? Were you abandoned at the pound for too long?

  22. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 3 months ago

    Wow, do we really have to be so hostile to everyone who doesn’t agree with us?

  23. GJ_Jehosaphat

    GJ_JehosaphatGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    I was enjoying the discussion regarding Bush & Cheney involvement & then Somegup53 goes on some rant about knowing Madonna (reading about her is Different than Knowing her I think was the point being made)

    I even Googled to see who was Sec Of State in 1991 - Our former VP Dick Cheney!

    Interesting watching him speak on YouTube talking about the first day of the war/conflict. I forgot about his speech even though I was about 40 at the time. Thanks for refreshing my memory - Dicks been active over all these years - Videos of an even Younger Dick are also available on YouTube.

    For Someguy53 it seems Hostility is a form of “entertainment”. SickoGUY53 - Nuff Said - Got better things to do today.

  24. Shaliach

    Shaliach said, 3 months ago

    mroberts88 said:

    “Wow, do we really have to be so hostile to everyone who doesn’t agree with us?”

    I notice that some of the more moderate commenters have been AWOL for some time.

    Mr. Spock said something about spending more time at TCM talking about movies.

    They probably disagree over there what is the best movie of all time–he probably thinks Star Trek!–but I’m sure it’s lighthearted.

  25. Tigger

    TiggerGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    ANandy,

    Had McCain listened to his advisors and not Picked Sara Palin, whom he failed to thoroughly vette, Chances are he would be President. Ms. Palin did not know the duties of The VP. When ever she spoke, she made ‘W’ seem smarter than Einstein. Good thing they didn’t win as she would have already quite as VP because she didn’t want Politics as Usual.

  26. Tigger

    TiggerGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    She looks like Sec. of State, Hillary Clinton.

  27. Shaliach

    Shaliach said, 3 months ago

    Tigger

    I wonder how different history would have been if McCain had defeated Bush in the 2000 primary?

  28. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 3 months ago

    Shaliach, after taking a nap, I realize that statement makes me look liberal. I am an independent. I was pointing out the increasing hostility of everyone on this board, to anyone who doesnt agree, by us, I was talking about the entire SOTU community. Webeditor, FLS, you two dont need to both go off when someone doesnt agree with you. Quit with the name calling everyone, it only makes you look childish.

    Shaliach, like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.

  29. WebEditor

    WebEditor said, 3 months ago

    He started it …

    nyaa, nyaaa, nyaaaa!!

    Someguy’s a liar, liar, pants on fire. My earlier comment got deleted – and that was the more tame one. Essentially, though, I called him on his xenophobic racist undertones. I guess suggesting where he could stick his “hot iron” or perhaps the action I would like for him to do with said iron was a bit too much for the virgin ears around here.

    But rest assured. I won’t stop calling folks on their BS. If you make a statement in public, at least own it.

    I don’t like bullies. And I don’t like people who use the anonymity of the Internet to preach their prejudice.

  30. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 3 months ago

    Call people on their BS, just keep the personal attacks to a minimum.

  31. Nobody

    Nobody said, 3 months ago

    WebEditor said,
    He started it …
    nyaa, nyaaa, nyaaaa!!

    That sounds really intelligent. Did you learn that from Mikey “FLS” Stanfill and his NEENER mentality?

  32. sablebrush5

    sablebrush5 said, 3 months ago

    If celebs are so intent on helping out a poor, disadvantaged child, why don’t they adopt a poor, disadvantaged child from the south side of Chicago or Harlem? Is it because doing so isn’t so high profile and attention-getting? Is it because it’s not trendy doesn’t get that media “Wow!” that adopting a child from Africa gets?

  33. shermscott

    shermscott said, 3 months ago

    I like crisp bacon and sourdough English muffins with my eggs.

  34. bmwk12ltc

    bmwk12ltc said, 3 months ago

    I eat mine over easy with bacon, grits, and biscuits.

  35. GJ_Jehosaphat

    GJ_JehosaphatGenius_badge said, 3 months ago

    Oooh, ooohh, ooohh - I have some of those Grits with Milk & Sugar on them!

  36. Allan Brown

    Allan Brown said, 3 months ago

    Well in Canada here we had a group of people who went to a private company to arrange their WOW factor baby from Africa and the company went bankrupt suddenly and they dont get their money back. But the media attraction is that now it is the Governments fault and they are demanding that the Prime Minister, no less, should guarantee that they get the money back, the adoptions fast tracked and the travel documents issued at once. But of course there are no babies in Canada that need adoption.

  37. mroberts88

    mroberts88 said, 3 months ago

    Why not just adopt from here in the USA? Is it because of what sablebrush5 said, that it doesnt have the wow factor? Does anyone know?

  38. somewhereintime

    somewhereintime said, 3 months ago

    Seriously, I think this sums it up. I am 57 years old and I grew up around the Dallas area. These women do about 60 mg of Valium per day. My cousin shoots up some really lethal drugs every day (prescription.) They’re pretty much brain dead.

    You want to talk about change? Get off your bleeep and do something.

  39. somewhereintime

    somewhereintime said, 3 months ago

    I’m a real estate agent in Houston and I see what is going on. I don’t give a warm carp what you think.